Your opinion doesn't change the fact that machine 'translations' aren't translations, they are inaccurate words spit out by google translate and then glued together by some random guy that doesn't speak the langauge that is being translated. They are not translations.
Don't forget the poor grammar tag
You two are very much missing the point. Nothing you are talking about actually has anything to do with "MTL" and has everything to do with effort. Puns are lost in translation in human translation too unless someone puts in the effort to try and make it work.
This is just an uneducated take completely. Firstly, your 'knowlege' of a language, unless you speak it natively, or learned it from a person who speaks both your language and the other language natively, is based on the same kind of thing as an MTL database, essentially a dictionary of word translations and rules for how to use said words. Just because a human is doing it doesn't suddenly give it a magical power. And just like translators have to edit, a good MTL chapter has editing and proof reading to make sure things make sense. And if something doesn't seem to fit the context, you know what they can do? They can use this magical thing called the internet to look it up and find people who can explain it to them. Literally MTL has every ability to be literally as accurate as a human translation, it's entirely up to how much effort you are willing to put into the other steps to make sure it is right.
You can't say poor, that'll hurt the feelings of people who got tagged with that tag. You gotta say "rough grammar".
I have seen how well that tag worked on the site. It doesn't. It's way too much fucking effort to tag something that most people don't give a shit about. I stopped doing verification for those poor translation/grammar tags after a month. People just love to slurp up all the low quality shit it's not worth my time. Like besides daruna and cutegyaru, who else are doing all the shit to keep the tags valid?
You know what's rough? The amount of people that seem like they're one bad away from sending death threats to the poor translator
You're wrong. Nuance can be lost in human translation, obviously. But it is always lost in MTL. It's simply not good enough, yet. If you speak to any legitimate translator; they will tell you this. You can't argue against it. A machine translator cannot add nuance with effort, because they have no idea that it's there, as they can't read it themselves. All they can do is clean up whatever nonsense Google Translate spits out. DeepL does this automatically, making it seem like it's a better translator, but, it's just a less direct translation.
You're the one who is just wrong. You're speaking in absolutes and that's a clear indication of your lacking. Firstly, "legitimate' translators outside of our little world of scalation use machines ALOT there are problems no doubt but they are not so flaws as to be entirely unreliable. The reason nuance is lost is because of lack of effort most the time. If the machine has a 0% chance of giving you enough to work with to identify and incorporate the nuance into a translation, then literally that means the data for it doesn't exist in it's system. And for that to happen it would mean you are claiming that people just straight up aren't putting it in.
You misunderstand what I'm saying and you don't know what you're talking about
MTL is not real translation. Stop mental gaming yourself
let the bro imagining himself in a dream where Art isnt translation.
bruh
Says the person who doesn't even know that DeepL and Google translate work on entirely different mechanisms for translation and DeepL LITERALLY was praised for being more nuanced than google translate by professional translators. But says "All nuance is lost with MTL." Yeah I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about huh?
You don't even know what real translation is. MTL is used all teh time professionally and I'm not just talking about about 'cheap work" or anything. We're talking about serious high level translation, of way more consequence than teh stuff going on on this site.
That might be the dumbest thing yet. Whether or not it can think like a human is entirely irrelevant to if a translation is 'real'. And even if thinking like a human was necessary, guess what, there is a human involved in all MTL. MTL doesn't have to be just copy pasting whatever the bot spits out and calling it a day. You can read what it put, cross reference words, compare the dialogue to the flow of the chapter and make sure it seems like it makes sense, and even ask other people when you're lost on how something messed up. MTL doesn't need to 'think like a human' if just needs an accurate dictionary, then a human comes behind it to check it. And they have access to the entirety of the internet if they want to to make sure they get it right.let the bro imagining himself in a dream where Art isnt translation.
How can a machine have a complex thought like human?
you dont have to go as far as it can translate as natural as a human would, it will never be real in such a short time. @WillLi
Do you even read the thread's title? Do you need some machine to read it for you to be able understanding what it is to be having a decent conversation on how to make mangadex great again? None of your shit are make any sense and you are talking with your mind based on how in general scanlation works.
I can't decipher a single thing in this post. Holy crap, the cringy weebs from the early 2010s are back.Do you even read the thread's title? Do you need some machine to read it for you to be able understanding what it is to be having a decent conversation on how to make mangadex great again? None of your shit are make any sense and you are talking with your mind based on how in general scanlation works.
Of course you can use MTL and reviewed what the "machine" says, but thats how it is basically with someone who did it without a machine. Oh, my god it is fast because it read from dictionary so we just make the sentence good enough for human to comperhend what it means.
I didn't even say a thing about it's bad. I'm just saying we're both are stupidly equal because you are replying to non sense instead of helping why would it be good to have a tags for MTL.
You are basically as bad as us shitposter trying to derail whether you think it's a make sense argument in this thread.
so true.
