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Solo Bug Player - Ch. 12
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i think there's no more raws available. thats why they're not publishing new chapters.
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@ShionSinX they didn't steal our tl tho, and legal action would not be worth it, not that we could afford it
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@ShionSinX
we didn't steal their shit, the stole ours
@Akule
dude, stop spreading fake shit, that was over 5 months ago, and at the time. 5 months is a long time, but apparently (insert your age here) isn't for your stupid ass brain with 2 cells.
we didn't steal their shit, the stole ours
@Akule
dude, stop spreading fake shit, that was over 5 months ago, and at the time. 5 months is a long time, but apparently (insert your age here) isn't for your stupid ass brain with 2 cells.
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That's right, latest is 13 which was released 1 or 2 days ago
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@SkrillzPlayz
Wow. What a weak and flimsy argument. If that’s not you admitting that you’re actively sniping series for JB then I don’t know what that was.
It’s like when someone asks you when you stopped beating your partner. There’s no good answer. But clearly, you couldn’t even come up with an answer so you resorted to petty and absolutely weak name calling.
It’s disappointing to see honestly. I thought you might have “skills” from your username but clearly I was mistaken.
Both your translation quality and your verbal argument skills are EXTREMELY lacking.
Wow. What a weak and flimsy argument. If that’s not you admitting that you’re actively sniping series for JB then I don’t know what that was.
It’s like when someone asks you when you stopped beating your partner. There’s no good answer. But clearly, you couldn’t even come up with an answer so you resorted to petty and absolutely weak name calling.
It’s disappointing to see honestly. I thought you might have “skills” from your username but clearly I was mistaken.
Both your translation quality and your verbal argument skills are EXTREMELY lacking.
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@Danthefan
I don't care if you think it's weak and flimsy, We're not with JB. if there's ANY proof you want, I can throw them your way. We have been "hostile" with them ever since the Reddit post was made, so how the fuck did you all come to the conclusion that we're in cahoots with them.
And I'd like to see you translate, I'd bet it'd be wonderful.
Also, don't use chapter 12 to compare, it was made hastily and only 1 man worked on it. if you want to see the quality difference, compare chapters 1-5
I don't care if you think it's weak and flimsy, We're not with JB. if there's ANY proof you want, I can throw them your way. We have been "hostile" with them ever since the Reddit post was made, so how the fuck did you all come to the conclusion that we're in cahoots with them.
And I'd like to see you translate, I'd bet it'd be wonderful.
Also, don't use chapter 12 to compare, it was made hastily and only 1 man worked on it. if you want to see the quality difference, compare chapters 1-5
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@SkrillzPlayz - You may want to keep your own story straight.
https://imgur.com/JlW6fm5
Again, it would be embarrassing if as part of the evidence posted in that reddit thread there was a post where you explicitly talk about setting up a group designed to snipe scans. https://imgur.com/a/eDHZL8q
https://imgur.com/JlW6fm5
Again, it would be embarrassing if as part of the evidence posted in that reddit thread there was a post where you explicitly talk about setting up a group designed to snipe scans. https://imgur.com/a/eDHZL8q
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@SkrillzPlayz so basically you are JB dogs
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This is a repost of a comment I just made on Edelgarde's tl of Chpater 5:
Hi, person from Trinita here, Id like to post a timeline of the events that happened as I understand them, if I miss sutff feel free to correct me:
1) Turkish scangroup published CH 11
2) Turkish scangroup join the discord and discuss with me
3) Turkish scangroup takes down chapter after realising what sniping is
4) Baseplay created CH 12 TL of BP
5) I joined Edelgarde's discord to ask why we were sniped and am told not to worry as it is a "passion project" and "releases will be slow"
Two screenshots showing some of the messages from me joining:
6) Ghaljik talks to baseplay and negotiations begin on a collab
8) Collab negotiations fall through due to baseplay threatening to snipe our other series
Screenshot showing SkrillZ talking about the failed Collab:
9) Ghaljik published Edelgard's SL TL as Tritinia but soon took it down
10) Kazuma contact Edelgarde and attempts to cool things down
11) Tritinia officially dropped BP due to failed negotiations with Edelgarde and we didn't want to use our resources to compete
Here are some other screenshots I have from the day:
Baseplay discussing the snipe and Luke doing nothing to stop it
Baseplay claiming our Tls are MTLs:
Baseplay claiming that he has evidence of our TLs being MTLs and that its just his side project:
Baseplay posting "evidence" of our supposed MTLs
Baseplays "evidence" from un-proofread chapter 1:
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings about the events that occured surrounding the sniping and droping of Bug Player, if you have any corrections or wish to ask questions feel free to contact me on Mangadex or on Discord: Cwavs#7590
Hi, person from Trinita here, Id like to post a timeline of the events that happened as I understand them, if I miss sutff feel free to correct me:
1) Turkish scangroup published CH 11
2) Turkish scangroup join the discord and discuss with me
3) Turkish scangroup takes down chapter after realising what sniping is
4) Baseplay created CH 12 TL of BP
5) I joined Edelgarde's discord to ask why we were sniped and am told not to worry as it is a "passion project" and "releases will be slow"
Two screenshots showing some of the messages from me joining:
6) Ghaljik talks to baseplay and negotiations begin on a collab
8) Collab negotiations fall through due to baseplay threatening to snipe our other series
Screenshot showing SkrillZ talking about the failed Collab:
9) Ghaljik published Edelgard's SL TL as Tritinia but soon took it down
10) Kazuma contact Edelgarde and attempts to cool things down
11) Tritinia officially dropped BP due to failed negotiations with Edelgarde and we didn't want to use our resources to compete
Here are some other screenshots I have from the day:
Baseplay discussing the snipe and Luke doing nothing to stop it
Baseplay claiming our Tls are MTLs:
Baseplay claiming that he has evidence of our TLs being MTLs and that its just his side project:
Baseplay posting "evidence" of our supposed MTLs
Baseplays "evidence" from un-proofread chapter 1:
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings about the events that occured surrounding the sniping and droping of Bug Player, if you have any corrections or wish to ask questions feel free to contact me on Mangadex or on Discord: Cwavs#7590
@Cwavs
I never threatened to snipe your other series during our collab discussion. I was approached by Ghajik to do a collab, which I wholeheartedly agreed to do. The agreement was that I was to TL, while he would typeset the series. Immediately after however (and for a completely understandable reason), I was told to piss off after agreeing with the collab.
https://imgur.com/a/SgHT25q
After this, the owner even went so far as to completely steal our OWN chapter (one that we did) on a different series, rip it from our site, delete the credit page, and reuploaded it under Trinitia. Stealing another group's work entirely and deleting the credit page is by far the worst thing you could possibly do. The mod deleted it after a few minutes, but here are the images to back up this claim.
https://imgur.com/a/E33859w
As an elf once famously said, You sit on a throne of lies.
Edit: Skrillz, Luke, nor Edelgarde itself had anything to do with this, so leave them alone. The entire reason why skrillz uploaded is because I didn't know how to upload properly on MD (after creating a 7zip file instead of a zip file, lul.)
I never threatened to snipe your other series during our collab discussion. I was approached by Ghajik to do a collab, which I wholeheartedly agreed to do. The agreement was that I was to TL, while he would typeset the series. Immediately after however (and for a completely understandable reason), I was told to piss off after agreeing with the collab.
https://imgur.com/a/SgHT25q
After this, the owner even went so far as to completely steal our OWN chapter (one that we did) on a different series, rip it from our site, delete the credit page, and reuploaded it under Trinitia. Stealing another group's work entirely and deleting the credit page is by far the worst thing you could possibly do. The mod deleted it after a few minutes, but here are the images to back up this claim.
https://imgur.com/a/E33859w
As an elf once famously said, You sit on a throne of lies.
Edit: Skrillz, Luke, nor Edelgarde itself had anything to do with this, so leave them alone. The entire reason why skrillz uploaded is because I didn't know how to upload properly on MD (after creating a 7zip file instead of a zip file, lul.)
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@SkrillzPlayz
It should matter, because calling someone stupid doesn’t help win an argument. Basically, the post I originally replied to could be summed up as you saying “Fake news from a dumbass”.
Then have the discord messages been faked in some way? Because it shows communication between users that appears to be the plotting of snipping other series from other translation groups to help increase traffic to their series.
Maybe I haven’t been seeing all of your posts, but if you have some kind of proof that you and JB aren’t connected then totally send it. I would be glad to see it and change my opinion and I’m sure it would change other people’s opinions as well.
Right now though, it seems like you are heavily copying Leviathan Scans’ Website’s layout (but to be fair, Reaper scans is doing the same thing) which gives a bit of credence to the fact that you may be attempting to snipe popular series done by other groups.
I totally agree that translation is difficult, my issue lies in the lack of proofreading done by a person speaking the native language you’re translating into.
To be completely fair, the quality has gotten better than the chapter 11 your group originally released, but I just read your chapter 13, and there’s a fair amount of small mistakes that a good proofreader would have caught. Are you saying that only 1 man worked on chapter 13 as well? Because that would be insane.
It should matter, because calling someone stupid doesn’t help win an argument. Basically, the post I originally replied to could be summed up as you saying “Fake news from a dumbass”.
Then have the discord messages been faked in some way? Because it shows communication between users that appears to be the plotting of snipping other series from other translation groups to help increase traffic to their series.
Maybe I haven’t been seeing all of your posts, but if you have some kind of proof that you and JB aren’t connected then totally send it. I would be glad to see it and change my opinion and I’m sure it would change other people’s opinions as well.
Right now though, it seems like you are heavily copying Leviathan Scans’ Website’s layout (but to be fair, Reaper scans is doing the same thing) which gives a bit of credence to the fact that you may be attempting to snipe popular series done by other groups.
I totally agree that translation is difficult, my issue lies in the lack of proofreading done by a person speaking the native language you’re translating into.
To be completely fair, the quality has gotten better than the chapter 11 your group originally released, but I just read your chapter 13, and there’s a fair amount of small mistakes that a good proofreader would have caught. Are you saying that only 1 man worked on chapter 13 as well? Because that would be insane.
@Danthefan
Please refer to the post underneath. Again, Skrillz doesn't have anything to do with this.
2nd, the website layout is hosted by Genkan. Virtually every scan group is using Genkan.
Also, that Ch. 11 release was not done by us- that was done by a Turkish group that used MTL.
Please refer to the post underneath. Again, Skrillz doesn't have anything to do with this.
2nd, the website layout is hosted by Genkan. Virtually every scan group is using Genkan.
Also, that Ch. 11 release was not done by us- that was done by a Turkish group that used MTL.
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@BasePlay
Ok, I cant counter the threat claims because unfortunately I lack the solid evidence to do so, however I never claimed that we didn't outright steal your chapter, in fact I acknowledge it, however I can add context, it happened in the heat of the moment and Ghaljk did it without even consulting the rest of the group, we had no control. Does this excuse us? No. Was what we did wrong? Yes. Should we have done it? No.
SkrillZ and Luke may not have had anything to do with tl chapter 12 however they did not attempt to stop you which I think many would agree, is not good leadership. Also given how Edelgarde has now assigned more staff, it is clearly not just you tling it as a "passion project". In fact you did claim to be a fan when we first talked, yet you claim we use a "shitty mtl" when the only thing close to that was a Turkish snipe which was a MTL, and the evidence you provide is from the one chapter not proof read, if your truly a fan like you claim and our tl is that bad, please provide more example outside of chapter 1 and the and the snipe of 11.
Ok, I cant counter the threat claims because unfortunately I lack the solid evidence to do so, however I never claimed that we didn't outright steal your chapter, in fact I acknowledge it, however I can add context, it happened in the heat of the moment and Ghaljk did it without even consulting the rest of the group, we had no control. Does this excuse us? No. Was what we did wrong? Yes. Should we have done it? No.
SkrillZ and Luke may not have had anything to do with tl chapter 12 however they did not attempt to stop you which I think many would agree, is not good leadership. Also given how Edelgarde has now assigned more staff, it is clearly not just you tling it as a "passion project". In fact you did claim to be a fan when we first talked, yet you claim we use a "shitty mtl" when the only thing close to that was a Turkish snipe which was a MTL, and the evidence you provide is from the one chapter not proof read, if your truly a fan like you claim and our tl is that bad, please provide more example outside of chapter 1 and the and the snipe of 11.
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@BasePlay
Ah! I must have misremember the groups name. Totally my fault there then. I’ll have to go and reread chapters 1-5 like @SkrillzPlayz said to see the quality jump.
Also, by “the post underneath”, do you mean your earlier post? Because after reading that, I can clearly see I was in the wrong opinion. Thank you for posting more information and pretty objective evidence! That made everything much clearer (for me).
I also wasn’t even aware that most scam groups (or at least the ones mentioned) use Genkan. I take it it’s a hosting service like GoDaddy where they help create your website and thus have presets for websites? That would make a ton of sense then as to why a bunch of scanlators (again mainly the ones I mentioned) have extremely similar websites. I was under the impression it was done to copy the previous group, but again I’m wrong here and that’s fine!
Thank you @BasePlay for helping clarify everything to me, and I’m sorry @SkrillzPlayz for basing my replies and information off of non-fully fact checked sources. Also, looking at more of the comments it’s pretty clear that I was just another boot jumping down your throat in the comments section, so I’ll apologize for bringing it up here and not in a private DM or something other than here.
I do have one more question, so in the end what are the previous discord messages from, mainly the ones that @Cwavs posted? Because they look taken out of context (mainly because they are only a handful of messages) but out of full context they look rather sketchy.
Edit—
Your quality (In reference you ch 13) has definitely improved since chapters 1-5, you’re extremely right @SkrillzPlayz, so I’m greatly looking forward to your releases down the line where I’ll be reading them as soon as they drop on your website.
P.S.
I feel like I should also add this, but thank you to the two of you for replying to my comments when you really didn’t have to. It certainly helped to clarify the situation and changed my opinion on your group, so thank you!
Ah! I must have misremember the groups name. Totally my fault there then. I’ll have to go and reread chapters 1-5 like @SkrillzPlayz said to see the quality jump.
Also, by “the post underneath”, do you mean your earlier post? Because after reading that, I can clearly see I was in the wrong opinion. Thank you for posting more information and pretty objective evidence! That made everything much clearer (for me).
I also wasn’t even aware that most scam groups (or at least the ones mentioned) use Genkan. I take it it’s a hosting service like GoDaddy where they help create your website and thus have presets for websites? That would make a ton of sense then as to why a bunch of scanlators (again mainly the ones I mentioned) have extremely similar websites. I was under the impression it was done to copy the previous group, but again I’m wrong here and that’s fine!
Thank you @BasePlay for helping clarify everything to me, and I’m sorry @SkrillzPlayz for basing my replies and information off of non-fully fact checked sources. Also, looking at more of the comments it’s pretty clear that I was just another boot jumping down your throat in the comments section, so I’ll apologize for bringing it up here and not in a private DM or something other than here.
I do have one more question, so in the end what are the previous discord messages from, mainly the ones that @Cwavs posted? Because they look taken out of context (mainly because they are only a handful of messages) but out of full context they look rather sketchy.
Edit—
Your quality (In reference you ch 13) has definitely improved since chapters 1-5, you’re extremely right @SkrillzPlayz, so I’m greatly looking forward to your releases down the line where I’ll be reading them as soon as they drop on your website.
P.S.
I feel like I should also add this, but thank you to the two of you for replying to my comments when you really didn’t have to. It certainly helped to clarify the situation and changed my opinion on your group, so thank you!
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@Danthefan Thank you, and I'm sorry for my swearing, you may or may not understand as to why I was like that-
And yeah, Genkan is basically like a website skin.
Which Screenshots exactly?
And yeah, Genkan is basically like a website skin.
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@Danthefan - Oh, you mean like in the original reddit thread https://old.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/eo8arx/how_jaimini_scans_do_scanlations_leaked_sniping/
That provides this piece of evidence? The one where they are going to set up a group that is not affiliated with JB, in order to snipe? https://imgur.com/a/eDHZL8q
That provides this piece of evidence? The one where they are going to set up a group that is not affiliated with JB, in order to snipe? https://imgur.com/a/eDHZL8q
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@SkrillzPlayz
I can definitely understand what that feels like, to have everyone jumping down your throat because of something. I can’t say I’ve gone through exactly the same situation, but I can totally understand your frustration. So on @Cwavs post (the one made 22 hours ago at the time of posting this), they have a bunch of screenshots from discord that appear to be related to this issue.
That definitely clears up the whole “duplicated webpages”!
@Akule
Those are the other screenshots I was talking about, as I only found out about the ones Cwavs posted yesterday. I think @BasePlay and SkrillzPlayz were saying that those were taken out of context/not accurate to the situation, so I was mainly referring to the ones from Cwavs where They just posted the images to this thread.
I can definitely understand what that feels like, to have everyone jumping down your throat because of something. I can’t say I’ve gone through exactly the same situation, but I can totally understand your frustration. So on @Cwavs post (the one made 22 hours ago at the time of posting this), they have a bunch of screenshots from discord that appear to be related to this issue.
That definitely clears up the whole “duplicated webpages”!
@Akule
Those are the other screenshots I was talking about, as I only found out about the ones Cwavs posted yesterday. I think @BasePlay and SkrillzPlayz were saying that those were taken out of context/not accurate to the situation, so I was mainly referring to the ones from Cwavs where They just posted the images to this thread.
