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[Arc_Zero]

Objectively and rationally, I would agree.

But we're talking about a bad leader who once bought a healer slave when he couldn't afford better.
He got all the mileage he could from his "bargain healer", assuming that "bargain" is the same as "defective". (And the fact that MC could only use his heal spell once before collapsing would tend to confirm his prejudice.)
Only when he got rid of his cheap healer and started interacting with other healers did he (very slowly) realize that he had originally bought a diamond in the rough.
So far, it's not that bad. Humans are not fully rational.

The problem is that he had to go the extra mile of dumping him out of the party in the worst possible location and situation.
That's just evil for no reason, and it now comes back to bite him as there is simply no way to get the #1 healer back.

Or so he thinks for now.

Problem is that he just might be able to. The MC still bears the slave mark, which he can only hide.
If they meet, there is a chance that MC won't even have the right to reject an "offer" to get in the party again.
Now that they know how exceptional he is... and now that he doesn't even have the downside of lacking mana... they would likely jump at the opportunity to get him back at no cost.

But considering no that he is much more powerful than the party now, won't he just overwrite the slave crest at some point so that the leaser won't be able to control him?

 

[Wyrm]

But considering no that he is much more powerful than the party now, won't he just overwrite the slave crest at some point so that the leaser won't be able to control him?

I have no idea. It depends on the limits of the slave crest.
For all we know at this stage, it doesn't depend on levels. Otherwise, a weak noble can't buy a strong worker slave for example.

If the crest works by inflicting pain on disobedient slaves, maybe he can just continuously heal now that he has unlimited magic.
Or it's considered a curse and he can (or even has) healed himself from it, leaving only a useless brand.
Or maybe the crest is inactive because of the long time he's been separated from his "owner".
Or just maybe he'll need a different solution to deal with this.

We'll have to wait and see until we know how the crest actually works.

 

[StormSen]

Well, that's the primary base for these "betrayed for supposedly being weak, and kicked out of party" genre stories.

I mean, each and ever story has the same premise.

MC gets kicked out or faces murder attempt because the party thought he is weak. Later the party learns that they were strong solely because of MC, and now current MC is stronger than them.

Party leaders are especially stupid here. Can't do basic research. Repeated storming into monsters above their level and being surprised that the monsters are harder than what they're used to. Author is almost mocking the tropes.

I really want to now see a story were MC gets kicked out of party for being weak, and the said party actually does better after getting a new recruit.
And the main premise of the story would be for the MC to live with the mark of being weak and slowly gaining strength to surpass the party who abandoned him for being weak (aka., no sudden power ups but rather a proper strength gaining stories).

There is a story around somewhat like that. Premise is fine but the party are such bastards that you end up disliking them pretty quickly even though the author (presumably) intended them to be likable.

In contrast, one of my favorite stories:
Full Clearing Another World Under a Goddess with Zero Believers comes pretty close.

• Not "kicked out", but rather left behind at the temple when it turned out that his magic power was quite weak compared to the rest of the summoned class.
• He does get a power up (from aforementioned goddess), but he also is a hardcore gaming grinder, so he grinds his skill up. And powerup is not an "I win". He has to grind and be smart. He did arrive with another ability, which seemingly is minimally useful, but which in fact has an important (nuanced) strength which is revealed much later.
• What's great: People act like adults instead of petulant whiners with an inferiority/superiority complex.
• While he's got a little reason for revenge, the people aren't two dimensional dicks, but rather pretty normal humans.
• There's a LN and a manga. I like that LN, but have barely read the manga because I'm not fond of the drawing style. (And obviously, you're going to get more nuance in a novel.)

 

[lowarctic]

if she’s evil, why hot?

 

[rexmundi]

These fucker get a downgrade white mage, LOL

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Geh this is super weak, I agree with everyone here. How are these guys not blacklisted by every whitemage? Also how are they not all dead if they didnt realise mc was special level healer.

 

[Kreate]

So the author gave the mc 5 years to train and forgot the rest of the world also moves on...

 

[AMicrowave]

would

 

[ohms]

I always find the "someone went inside a dangerous place to do this and that but never returned" story fully retarded. I mean, if no one came back to tell the tales, how did they know what actually happened? It would make more sense if at least one person came back to tell the story.

 

[zerio]

Those revelations felt so weak. Like, if the other healers are weak like that, what's the point of healers? It seems like the author made the other healers weak just for the sake of making MC stand out.

Also, we barely saw how exceptional his healing was. We only knew he could reattach limbs from his party's flashback, and even then there wasn't much. We don't know how often MC had to heal them.

In any case, the fact that he can only heal once was indeed a problem. If he had to use complex healing just for a scratch like in ch 1, then imo he was stupid and doesn't deserve his high rank.

 

[zhakhmir]

Those revelations felt so weak. Like, if the other healers are weak like that, what's the point of healers? It seems like the author made the other healers weak just for the sake of making MC stand out.

Also, we barely saw how exceptional his healing was. We only knew he could reattach limbs from his party's flashback, and even then there wasn't much. We don't know how often MC had to heal them.

In any case, the fact that he can only heal once was indeed a problem. If he had to use complex healing just for a scratch like in ch 1, then imo he was stupid and doesn't deserve his high rank.

Oh nononono...how could you possibly miss the point that badly. In a world of magic, where a healer can mend broken bones in as little as one hour's time, which to them is considered fast, Rei reattaching limbs instantly is not at all to "make the healers look weak" he is just in a completely different scale to everyone else in that regard, so they'd never measure up. It's like comparing a pistol to a railgun. Or a spark to a bonfire.

The party made it as far as they did because they knew, above all else, that once a day, they had an instantaneous get out of fatal injury free card and took it for granted, assuming what they had was common amongst all healers, and after 5 years are only now understanding the gravity of their mistake.

 

[zerio]

Oh nononono...how could you possibly miss the point that badly. In a world of magic, where a healer can mend broken bones in as little as one hour's time, which to them is considered fast, Rei reattaching limbs instantly is not at all to "make the healers look weak" he is just in a completely different scale to everyone else in that regard, so they'd never measure up. It's like comparing a pistol to a railgun. Or a spark to a bonfire.

The party made it as far as they did because they knew, above all else, that once a day, they had an instantaneous get out of fatal injury free card and took it for granted, assuming what they had was common amongst all healers, and after 5 years are only now understanding the gravity of their mistake.

And you misunderstood my point.
Yes, mending broken bones in 1 hr is considered fast in their world. Those healers are not weak for that world standard.

But I was looking at it from the meta perspective. Let say Rei doesn't exist.
How tf do you expect to clear difficult dungeons if you need 1 hr to heal? There's no way the monster would wait 1 hr before attacking. That means if someone gets hurt, they basically die. The healers in this manga are weak and useless if you compare them to other manga. The role of healer in this manga is meaningless. The only way to survive is by dodging.

That's why I said the way the author made Rei's heal an instant one is a weak writing. You said it's like comparing a pistol to a railgun. But this is more like comparing throwing a pebble to a railgun.
In this manga, any healer other than Rei is just a waste of slot. This writing is just stupid.

I recently read manga "Live Dungeon". I think that manga has a better way to present how the MC was an exceptional healer compared to the others.
Edit: I guess it's not that much better. But at least in Live Dungeon, there's no risk of death in dungeon, so they are not really doomed just because the healers are weak.

 

[Wyrm]

How tf do you expect to clear difficult dungeons if you need 1 hr to heal? There's no way the monster would wait 1 hr before attacking. That means if someone gets hurt, they basically die. The healers in this manga are weak and useless if you compare them to other manga. The role of healer in this manga is meaningless. The only way to survive is by dodging.

I disagree. The healers in this world are not really combat healers, not taking part in the fights aside from some first aid.

Instead, their purpose is to fix problems during breaks between fights, making sure that the actual fighters are able to fight multiple times in a row. A dungeon conquest isn't a single fight, so a healer is necessary to stay close to optimal condition over time. and nobody expects the adventurers to fight non-stop through a dungeon. There are breakpoints in many stories of dungeon crawling.

That said, you're right in the statement that normal healers can't heal critical injuries like lost limbs, so knowing how to fight while taking as few risks as possible is the basics for adventurers in this setting. But that doesn't make healers useless. It just means that their use is different from the ones you are used to read about. And @zhakhmir is right that the "hero team" got into extremely bad habits of fighting recklessly because they could rely on a perfect heal... that they didn't know was actually an outstanding exception to the normal healers. The only reason they managed to survive that long after "killing" the MC was that they used replacement healers as bait.

Just for reference, you know that real-life armies have combat medics even though they can't magically heal wounds, much less regrow lost limbs, do you? And they are not considered useless despite this. In comparison, these healers are more effective as they can still heal wounds and even broken bones in an hour. Your benchmark is just skewed towards high-fantasy settings where common healing magic heals just about anything. However, these are not actually the baseline and there are many other settings in manga and other fiction where healers are either rare or about as effective as these ones, leaving exceptional abilities to even rarer or even unique individuals like a saint (quite often overlapping with being the MC). Or other settings where it's made clear that magic will close wounds, but not replenish blood, leaving you too weak to resume fighting immediately at full capacity. Or other restrictions. Instant perfect heal is uncommon in manga. Not to the point of being rare, but to the point that it isn't the standard.

 

[zhakhmir]

And you misunderstood my point.
Yes, mending broken bones in 1 hr is considered fast in their world. Those healers are not weak for that world standard.

But I was looking at it from the meta perspective. Let say Rei doesn't exist.
How tf do you expect to clear difficult dungeons if you need 1 hr to heal? There's no way the monster would wait 1 hr before attacking. That means if someone gets hurt, they basically die. The healers in this manga are weak and useless if you compare them to other manga. The role of healer in this manga is meaningless. The only way to survive is by dodging.

That's why I said the way the author made Rei's heal an instant one is a weak writing. You said it's like comparing a pistol to a railgun. But this is more like comparing throwing a pebble to a railgun.
In this manga, any healer other than Rei is just a waste of slot. This writing is just stupid.

I recently read manga "Live Dungeon". I think that manga has a better way to present how the MC was an exceptional healer compared to the others.
Edit: I guess it's not that much better. But at least in Live Dungeon, there's no risk of death in dungeon, so they are not really doomed just because the healers are weak.

You still get it wrong, dude. If you bring it back to basics and look at D&D (which forms the inspirational foundation for most western hodgepodge sword and sorcery Isekai) Rei's baseline heal spell functions as the 9th level cleric spell Power Word Heal, mixed with Regenerate, so anything short of a resurrection is possible, instantaneously. No cleric has access to 9th level spells before level 17 and even so, at level 17 they can only cast those spells 1/day.

Again, the healers aren't weak, you just can't compare Jackie Chan to Goku

 

[zerio]

You still get it wrong, dude. If you bring it back to basics and look at D&D (which forms the inspirational foundation for most western hodgepodge sword and sorcery Isekai) Rei's baseline heal spell functions as the 9th level cleric spell Power Word Heal, mixed with Regenerate, so anything short of a resurrection is possible, instantaneously. No cleric has access to 9th level spells before level 17 and even so, at level 17 they can only cast those spells 1/day.

Again, the healers aren't weak, you just can't compare Jackie Chan to Goku

Lol. The word strong and weak are relative. You can compare 2 kids and say one is strong and the other is weak. But even the strong kid is weak if you compare them with an adult. But of course this depends what value you're comparing. An adult may have a weaker stamina compared to a kid.

If you think these healers aren't weak, then feel free to think so. I won't say you're wrong since your argument is valid.

But based on my values, these healers are weak. So, I'll just agree to disagree. Feel free to say I'm wrong though.

 

[zerio]

Just for reference, you know that real-life armies have combat medics even though they can't magically heal wounds, much less regrow lost limbs, do you? And they are not considered useless despite this. In comparison, these healers are more effective as they can still heal wounds and even broken bones in an hour. Your benchmark is just skewed towards high-fantasy settings where common healing magic heals just about anything. However, these are not actually the baseline and there are many other settings in manga and other fiction where healers are either rare or about as effective as these ones, leaving exceptional abilities to even rarer or even unique individuals like a saint (quite often overlapping with being the MC). Or other settings where it's made clear that magic will close wounds, but not replenish blood, leaving you too weak to resume fighting immediately at full capacity. Or other restrictions. Instant perfect heal is uncommon in manga. Not to the point of being rare, but to the point that it isn't the standard.

Yes, of course, I don't think real life combat medics are useless. I'm not going to apply the same baseline between this manga and real life. The level of threats are different.

And yes, you're correct that my benchmark is skewed, and I'm probably being overly harsh with my evaluation. But when I only look at this manga, I think my argument is not wrong. There's no way they can ever beat SSS rank monsters and dungeons with healers who aren't MC, which mean this world is doomed without MC. (Unless the fighters are really exceptional, meaning the quality of the healers become irrelevant)

Well, in the end, I just wanted to say that I think the story is disappointing, and I'm not planning to continue the manga. Of course, I'm not going to force others to agree.

 

[zhakhmir]

Lol. The word strong and weak are relative. You can compare 2 kids and say one is strong and the other is weak. But even the strong kid is weak if you compare them with an adult. But of course this depends what value you're comparing. An adult may have a weaker stamina compared to a kid.

If you think these healers aren't weak, then feel free to think so. I won't say you're wrong since your argument is valid.

But based on my values, these healers are weak. So, I'll just agree to disagree. Feel free to say I'm wrong though.

Respectfully, I think Isekai brainrot got you a little, dude, no offense. Again, the healers aren't weak, Rei is just so outside of the bell curve that his worst is still better than everyone's best, so they're incomparable by most metrics; whereas in other stories that are more thinly-veiled power fantasies, anything is possible at any time cuz cheat skill.

Everything doesn't have to be an ever increasing, power creep centered display of magical ability

 

[zerio]

Respectfully, I think Isekai brainrot got you a little, dude, no offense. Again, the healers aren't weak, Rei is just so outside of the bell curve that his worst is still better than everyone's best, so they're incomparable by most metrics; whereas in other stories that are more thinly-veiled power fantasies, anything is possible at any time cuz cheat skill.

Everything doesn't have to be an ever increasing, power creep centered display of magical ability

Wow, now you choose to insult me just because I disagree with you? Using the word "respectfully" doesn't automatically make you respectful. Nor does saying "no offense" makes you not offensive. Insulting someone you disagree with isn't cool dude.

As I already said, I agree that those healers are just part of the normal bell curve, and Rei is an outlier. But those healers are weak relative to the threat of their world and compared to other healers in other manga.

Sigh, it's tiring to argue with someone that isn't open minded. If you think anyone who don't see eye to eye with you is always wrong, then I have nothing else to say to you.

 

[wankerLin]

It's the MC's fault again...