Stalkers - Vol. 3 Ch. 19 - I want to know more about you
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Eh, I feel kinda sorry for him. He just didn’t understand romance and why people would be attracted to others (which you can’t fault him for not knowing; it’s not something taught and can’t be well explained). He trued figuring it out himself, but ended up losing the plot (instead of figuring out how people fall in love, he learned why people stalked). When he was confessed to he just asked why, but she ended up leaving with a “never mind” and never gave a good answer. I’d say she was in the wrong here; at the very least if you confess then say “never mind” tell the other person why and what you thought they did wrong when they ask. Also asking why someone likes you, so you can understand isn’t really “creep” worthy (stalking totally is, but she didn’t see that). It’s a bit unorthodox, but that’s it. I’d say it’s kinda sincere, definitely serious, and a bit straightforward; I mean if someone I barely talked to said “I like you”, I’d be 100% confused to (more so if I didn’t understand romance) and the first thing I’d ask is why. Actually maybe she left because she realized how fickle her own feelings were? Her answers weren’t exactly good... or coherent...or made much sense. Whatever; it was a nice read
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@dojinshi All the other chapters where the author deliberately humanized and glamorized stalking didn't do that for you before?
The problem I'm having is that the author makes any male stalkers explicitly "creep", like here where the author literally writes it. And yet, when it comes to any female stalkers, oh, it's so cutesy. That's an author's choice.
@Ranzo You missed it. 1) He's only doing it because [he thinks] society looks down on people like him. And he's kind of right. He himself doesn't care, but other people do. 2) This is literally the first time that he's ever done something like that. There's no evidence of him ever doing this before.
The problem I'm having is that the author makes any male stalkers explicitly "creep", like here where the author literally writes it. And yet, when it comes to any female stalkers, oh, it's so cutesy. That's an author's choice.
@Ranzo You missed it. 1) He's only doing it because [he thinks] society looks down on people like him. And he's kind of right. He himself doesn't care, but other people do. 2) This is literally the first time that he's ever done something like that. There's no evidence of him ever doing this before.
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@nbhstcqbvvpmacjrmv uhh, nothing about any other chapter gave me the impression of the author glamorizing stalking, it wasnt praised, or seen as a good thing, it was simply a look into their lives of stalkers and how they operate. glamorizing would make the stalker life seem good and something you should do, while humanizing it would imply a "its not so bad" feeling ,possibly by the characters that were stalked. dont know about you, but never got that feeling before.
i say that with this chapter, because this is the first time a "seemingly normal" kid who doesnt stalk, tries it out to purposefully understand whats so good about it and why people do it, it gave him the feeling he wasnt already a creep, and him coming to the conclusion that it was exciting was the "humaninzing/glamorizing" i mentioned, of course, by the end, he was punished for his thinking, called a creep by the mangaka themself, and it becomes obvious he was a creep from the beginning so thats not really the case.
also idk about you, but the one male stalker who did the audio thing was one of the least creepy of the stalkers in general, and the comment section of that chapter agreed. i cant recall all the male stalkers, but i dont think they were all the creepiest
i say that with this chapter, because this is the first time a "seemingly normal" kid who doesnt stalk, tries it out to purposefully understand whats so good about it and why people do it, it gave him the feeling he wasnt already a creep, and him coming to the conclusion that it was exciting was the "humaninzing/glamorizing" i mentioned, of course, by the end, he was punished for his thinking, called a creep by the mangaka themself, and it becomes obvious he was a creep from the beginning so thats not really the case.
also idk about you, but the one male stalker who did the audio thing was one of the least creepy of the stalkers in general, and the comment section of that chapter agreed. i cant recall all the male stalkers, but i dont think they were all the creepiest
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@dojinshi Maybe glamorizing was too strong a word. The author has definitely made it a point to make them relatable on some level, though.
And that goes to a huge point. The act of making your protagonist a stalker already, in and of itself, makes the stalker and the act of stalking relatable. The main character is who you follow. The reader sees their thoughts. Have you ever read a story where the surprise is that the main character was the bad one? Many people react to the surprise by saying screw what's good, they like the main character. It's because they see the main character's point of view.
As to the issue of male stalkers, recall the book store manager, who stalked girlfriend, Abe. That was the clearest example of a bad stalker.
And that goes to a huge point. The act of making your protagonist a stalker already, in and of itself, makes the stalker and the act of stalking relatable. The main character is who you follow. The reader sees their thoughts. Have you ever read a story where the surprise is that the main character was the bad one? Many people react to the surprise by saying screw what's good, they like the main character. It's because they see the main character's point of view.
As to the issue of male stalkers, recall the book store manager, who stalked girlfriend, Abe. That was the clearest example of a bad stalker.
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This manga makes me think "Did that character appear before?" a lot. I have to look at the previous chapters to find out because I remember the character appearing before, but not sure when.
Oohashi was the one in the "I’ll collect everything about you" chapters.
Oohashi was the one in the "I’ll collect everything about you" chapters.
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i do agree, if we were to read a serial killer story, and we saw the actions we did, we would think of him as the monster, but if we saw through his perspective, from the beginning, as a child, seeing all the fucked up things in his environment that would lead to him being the monster he would grow up to be, then people may have sympathy, and there are definetly people here who also sympathise with some of the stalkers, like the crazy cat lady in chapter 20.
still, sympathy doesnt does NOT mean they think its ok, and the mangaka doesnt seem to be trying to make it seem like its "ok". a grusesome murderer is a gruesome murderer at the end of the day, even if they were born in uncontrollable conditions that would lead them there, even "relatable" ones like abusive parents, or a lack of parents at all. you can and probably will feel sympathy seeing all the shit they go through, but that doesnt ever mean im gonna be like "murder isnt bad!" hell no, stalking is bad,regardless of whether i feel sympathy or not.
my intension for my original comment was that reading this chapter for the first time initially didnt give me a "this is the life of a stalker, or the conditions that make one" that i could potentially feel sympathy over, this one felt like more of a "non pedophile starts wondering why adult pedos like little kids, so they go around doing it themselves, and end up liking it themselves with excuses to why its good" which wouldnt be the same thing. I suppose tho, that the sympathy one may get is "humanizing", thus it has appeared in multipled chapters, so maybe that wasnt the best word to use. glamorizing would have been a better word so we both used the wrong word lmao
also i looked around wondering who abe was again, and yeah he was the bad kind of stalker, but the dude was made to be the antagonist the whole time, so that was kinda the given,he appeared early on to be the example that stalkers are creeps and we shouldnt glamorize it, and their are other examples of that with women. they may not be super creepy, but the girl from chapter 13 and 14, who spent her savings buying a bunch of useless junk that had the smell of the girl she liked, was incredibly offputting and not glamorizing in the slightest, it was pityable.
but like i said, the guy who collected voice samples was fine, the "stalker" if you can really call him(the editor) from chapter 15 was the most normal of any stalker, and the boy from chapter 18 was super innocent, so i think abe and this guy are the only bad examples that exist for males.
also thank you for making me re go through these chapters, because i ended up realizing the girl he was stalking in this chapter was actually the stalker from chapter 13 and 14
nice lol.
i do agree, if we were to read a serial killer story, and we saw the actions we did, we would think of him as the monster, but if we saw through his perspective, from the beginning, as a child, seeing all the fucked up things in his environment that would lead to him being the monster he would grow up to be, then people may have sympathy, and there are definetly people here who also sympathise with some of the stalkers, like the crazy cat lady in chapter 20.
still, sympathy doesnt does NOT mean they think its ok, and the mangaka doesnt seem to be trying to make it seem like its "ok". a grusesome murderer is a gruesome murderer at the end of the day, even if they were born in uncontrollable conditions that would lead them there, even "relatable" ones like abusive parents, or a lack of parents at all. you can and probably will feel sympathy seeing all the shit they go through, but that doesnt ever mean im gonna be like "murder isnt bad!" hell no, stalking is bad,regardless of whether i feel sympathy or not.
my intension for my original comment was that reading this chapter for the first time initially didnt give me a "this is the life of a stalker, or the conditions that make one" that i could potentially feel sympathy over, this one felt like more of a "non pedophile starts wondering why adult pedos like little kids, so they go around doing it themselves, and end up liking it themselves with excuses to why its good" which wouldnt be the same thing. I suppose tho, that the sympathy one may get is "humanizing", thus it has appeared in multipled chapters, so maybe that wasnt the best word to use. glamorizing would have been a better word so we both used the wrong word lmao
also i looked around wondering who abe was again, and yeah he was the bad kind of stalker, but the dude was made to be the antagonist the whole time, so that was kinda the given,he appeared early on to be the example that stalkers are creeps and we shouldnt glamorize it, and their are other examples of that with women. they may not be super creepy, but the girl from chapter 13 and 14, who spent her savings buying a bunch of useless junk that had the smell of the girl she liked, was incredibly offputting and not glamorizing in the slightest, it was pityable.
but like i said, the guy who collected voice samples was fine, the "stalker" if you can really call him(the editor) from chapter 15 was the most normal of any stalker, and the boy from chapter 18 was super innocent, so i think abe and this guy are the only bad examples that exist for males.
also thank you for making me re go through these chapters, because i ended up realizing the girl he was stalking in this chapter was actually the stalker from chapter 13 and 14
nice lol.
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I think that the mangaka does a good job of showing a kind of slow descent into creepiness.
Naturally, if a costumer comes into your job everyday, I'd assume that you would take some interest in them and you'd gradually pick up details. But how he slowly slips is interesting because he only crosses the line when he takes something out of her mailbox. Before that, he really didn't do anything that would affect her, personally, and was only more about getting to know her indirectly.
Hell, I'd even argue that him asking what that girl on the last page likes about him isn't too much. I'm actually wondering if she is also a stalker and that she's stalking him. Still, you feel bad for the guy because he's just trying to understand and doesn't know when he's crossed the line or when he's gone too far, and that's his biggest and most fundamental fault which leads to his downfall.
Naturally, if a costumer comes into your job everyday, I'd assume that you would take some interest in them and you'd gradually pick up details. But how he slowly slips is interesting because he only crosses the line when he takes something out of her mailbox. Before that, he really didn't do anything that would affect her, personally, and was only more about getting to know her indirectly.
Hell, I'd even argue that him asking what that girl on the last page likes about him isn't too much. I'm actually wondering if she is also a stalker and that she's stalking him. Still, you feel bad for the guy because he's just trying to understand and doesn't know when he's crossed the line or when he's gone too far, and that's his biggest and most fundamental fault which leads to his downfall.
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Wow, someone trying to understand love and she just gives up immediately? Bullet dodged, bro.
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poor guy was just trying to do his research
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