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Star Martial God Technique - Ch. 154
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Even as I don't have a huge stake in the game or interest on either side of these arguments personally, I can tell that there are clear issues on both sides.
@GoblinGuy is correct, in a sense, in his opinion on the ethics of profiteering on someone elses work. A unlicensed fan-translation has no rights to profit. Now if the scanlator had other products they sold that were completely their own... They don't even have that. Even their hoodies feature artwork that they don't own. Of course, we haven't got solid proof of them going up on a storefront, but the discord screencap is pretty telling.
Regarding upload frequency, it would've been nice if @ZeroMomo (or whoever else is in charge) admitted to their (minor) mistake of (allegedly) forgetting to upload the chapters instead of going on a witchhunt for OneScans' "sniping" of chapters. Even if it truly was a mistake, the delay shows a disregard for the majority of SMGT's reader-base (on MangaDex), and instead focusing on readers that pay them either attention or actual monetary donations (on their own website). ZeroScans might be "innocent" of this, but that's how it comes across to the rest of us. You leave us out by doing that, either intentionally or not. Regarding many of the other accusations that OneScans are laying out, some are out of context and unsubstantiated. Doesn't necessarily mean they are untrue, but behind them lies at least a shred of truth.
And then we have people like @CoolOtamegane, commenting utter nonsense, comparing this situation with something quite different like the Omanga case a couple of weeks ago - and then saying OneScans "have no right attacking others"... Have you heard about investigative journalism before? OneScans is shining a light on a subject and in fact, does not profit at all from this; how can you say he "has no right"? I'd love to hear an actual reason why OneScans is a "bad guy" in a situation where NOBODY OWNS THIS CONTENT, and instead tries to (a bit zealously perhaps) promote a more fair, ethical non-profit businessmodel, that honestly any unlicensed fan-translator or -scanlator should follow. Promoting their own original content or accepting donations is completely fine, as long as it has no impact on content that they do not own.
Lastly:
Of course, ZeroScans doesn't owe us readers on MangaDex on single cent or page, they can just stop whenever they like.
But as soon as they began uploading here on MangaDex and their own website, certain rules apply. Both locally (on the websites' rule pages), and legally. It's all or nothing, they can decide to delete all their chapters from MangaDex and gain no attention from readers here, or they can choose to withhold nothing. As rulse 3.2.6 says here on MangaDex:
[ul]3.2.6 Only partially uploading releases with the intention to lure users to your site for the other chapters is not allowed. Either upload all chapters, or don't upload any.[/ul]
@GoblinGuy is correct, in a sense, in his opinion on the ethics of profiteering on someone elses work. A unlicensed fan-translation has no rights to profit. Now if the scanlator had other products they sold that were completely their own... They don't even have that. Even their hoodies feature artwork that they don't own. Of course, we haven't got solid proof of them going up on a storefront, but the discord screencap is pretty telling.
Regarding upload frequency, it would've been nice if @ZeroMomo (or whoever else is in charge) admitted to their (minor) mistake of (allegedly) forgetting to upload the chapters instead of going on a witchhunt for OneScans' "sniping" of chapters. Even if it truly was a mistake, the delay shows a disregard for the majority of SMGT's reader-base (on MangaDex), and instead focusing on readers that pay them either attention or actual monetary donations (on their own website). ZeroScans might be "innocent" of this, but that's how it comes across to the rest of us. You leave us out by doing that, either intentionally or not. Regarding many of the other accusations that OneScans are laying out, some are out of context and unsubstantiated. Doesn't necessarily mean they are untrue, but behind them lies at least a shred of truth.
And then we have people like @CoolOtamegane, commenting utter nonsense, comparing this situation with something quite different like the Omanga case a couple of weeks ago - and then saying OneScans "have no right attacking others"... Have you heard about investigative journalism before? OneScans is shining a light on a subject and in fact, does not profit at all from this; how can you say he "has no right"? I'd love to hear an actual reason why OneScans is a "bad guy" in a situation where NOBODY OWNS THIS CONTENT, and instead tries to (a bit zealously perhaps) promote a more fair, ethical non-profit businessmodel, that honestly any unlicensed fan-translator or -scanlator should follow. Promoting their own original content or accepting donations is completely fine, as long as it has no impact on content that they do not own.
Lastly:
Of course, ZeroScans doesn't owe us readers on MangaDex on single cent or page, they can just stop whenever they like.
But as soon as they began uploading here on MangaDex and their own website, certain rules apply. Both locally (on the websites' rule pages), and legally. It's all or nothing, they can decide to delete all their chapters from MangaDex and gain no attention from readers here, or they can choose to withhold nothing. As rulse 3.2.6 says here on MangaDex:
[ul]3.2.6 Only partially uploading releases with the intention to lure users to your site for the other chapters is not allowed. Either upload all chapters, or don't upload any.[/ul]
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@JakeRay there we go, another constructed argumentation, thank you ?
I already gave my opinion last chapter but your message pretty much sums up the thing I forgot to write about.
edit: but I wish the drama-fight would stop in the comments, it's just becoming tiring. Can't even read anything about the actual chapter on both uploads...
I already gave my opinion last chapter but your message pretty much sums up the thing I forgot to write about.
edit: but I wish the drama-fight would stop in the comments, it's just becoming tiring. Can't even read anything about the actual chapter on both uploads...
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I'm not sure what has been said by other mods in conversation elsewhere, but let me once again make very clear what MangaDex's current official policy is:
We do not police manga content. We do not interfere with group drama. The *only* time staff steps in is when a rule is broken or a situation arises that calls for an addition or modification to the current rules.
Please keep in mind Rule 1: Be Civil. Argue all you want but we don't want to see chan-like behavior here. We are watching this conversation closely.
We do not police manga content. We do not interfere with group drama. The *only* time staff steps in is when a rule is broken or a situation arises that calls for an addition or modification to the current rules.
Please keep in mind Rule 1: Be Civil. Argue all you want but we don't want to see chan-like behavior here. We are watching this conversation closely.
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@UnoScans snipers. most manga snipers churn low-quality manga for the sake of getting ppl curious and generating traffic. or in this case, to promote something of a manga-political campaign. read Zero's version if you want something that doesn't look like google translate
@Shyning agree. inter-group drama like this should be kept in the forums, at least. i'm here to read mangoes, not watch an indonesia-grade soap opera (those are super cheesy)
@Shyning agree. inter-group drama like this should be kept in the forums, at least. i'm here to read mangoes, not watch an indonesia-grade soap opera (those are super cheesy)
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Cool. It's not proof but I'll take your word for it, as it seems likely. As I mentioned, that was also only a minor mistake, so don't worry about that. I also like how you said "calmly", as if to say that we weren't? Just a bit passive aggressive.
But it's not like you have to prove anything to me or anyone else, don't try to please us. Just follow the rules, 'cause that's what matters.
And don't see this as a personal attack; you were only incidentally in the crosshairs this time. It only lessens the probability for there to be a 'next time' on this site, which is a good thing. We all want the same thing, and that's lots of awesome manga for everyone to read.
Cool. It's not proof but I'll take your word for it, as it seems likely. As I mentioned, that was also only a minor mistake, so don't worry about that. I also like how you said "calmly", as if to say that we weren't? Just a bit passive aggressive.
But it's not like you have to prove anything to me or anyone else, don't try to please us. Just follow the rules, 'cause that's what matters.
And don't see this as a personal attack; you were only incidentally in the crosshairs this time. It only lessens the probability for there to be a 'next time' on this site, which is a good thing. We all want the same thing, and that's lots of awesome manga for everyone to read.
