Tenmaku no Jaadugar - Vol. 5 Ch. 30

[MangaDex]

 

[pink_rabbit]

Someone needs to snap Sitara OUT OF IT if she thinks this anger is good

 

[Gen.Ghis]

Her first plot endes up with her and Toregene being pawns.
Now her current plot worked in a way she didn't clearly didn't expect.
Still smug as hell.

Cersei Lannister would be so proud of her.

 

[tomatomandarine]

Sitara every arc so far:

 

[judasmartel]

Sitara every arc so far:

Much to learn you still have, little one.

 

[Pacarnya_sinka]

Mama Toregene, can i?

 

[ChromaticAbberation]

"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions"

I don't quite get Toregene's logic on page 18. Does she simply think that if it weren't for Oirats betraying the Merkits and the Naiman, those tribes would win against the Mongols? Or is she bitter about peace the Oirats found under Mongols? If it's the case, why? For example, in Chapter 9, Sitara isn't angry at the Persian girls for building new lives under the Mongols; she simply doesn't want her own hatred for them to fade, and that's the choice she made for herself. Is it entirely about the context that the Oirats "chose to forge the alliance with the Mongols" (which is what written in ch. 28 at least)? This might not apply here since it wasn't explicitly mentioned, but in actual history, the Oirats were defeated and only surrendered afterward (and also when that one general whose name I forgot mentioned Genghis's enemies attempting to perform a jada ritual that backfired, that story was referring to the Oirat leader and Naiman king). Even if that historical context doesn't apply, does it really justify what's being done to these girls?

I've been enjoying trying to experience the story from multiple perspectives so far, but I just don't get this particular take. I'd love to hear what other readers think about this though

 

[mgRdr]

Her first plot endes up with her and Toregene being pawns.
Now her current plot worked in a way she didn't clearly didn't expect.
Still smug as hell.

What else is a victory if not something you can be feeling smug about?

 

[friendly]

Honestly, at this point I think she has to twist this into being a good thing. Otherwise she would have to face up to what has been done; she names herself as evil for the comfort it brings her to retreat into it. The magnitude of what actions in this court can cause hardens the heart; humans adapt....

but also maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

 

[besbin]

I don't quite get Toregene's logic on page 18. Does she simply think that if it weren't for Oirats betraying the Merkits and the Naiman, those tribes would win against the Mongols? Or is she bitter about peace the Oirats found under Mongols? If it's the case, why? For example, in Chapter 9, Sitara isn't angry at the Persian girls for building new lives under the Mongols; she simply doesn't want her own hatred for them to fade, and that's the choice she made for herself. Is it entirely about the context that the Oirats "chose to forge the alliance with the Mongols" (which is what written in ch. 28 at least)? This might not apply here since it wasn't explicitly mentioned, but in actual history, the Oirats were defeated and only surrendered afterward (and also when that one general whose name I forgot mentioned Genghis's enemies attempting to perform a jada ritual that backfired, that story was referring to the Oirat leader and Naiman king). Even if that historical context doesn't apply, does it really justify what's being done to these girls?

It's not logic per se, she's just making excuses for herself after witnessing the consequences of her actions plus she's reaffirming her goal of vengeance and steeling her resolve. The excuse this time is "they betrayed us so their prosperous was paid with our blood". Ogedai's words about how the Naiman and Merkit wouldn't have done anything difference from the Mongol still weight heavily in her psyche and it made her want to find reasons to affirm herself.

For Sitara, what could she be angry at the Persian prisoners for? they were in the same situation at her, they were just not as tied to vengeance to do anything about it. She would probably found them lacking and disappointing.

 

[Grimmycoffee]

Snip

My guess on what Toregene's thought was:

They betray us and join the mongols. It doesn't matter why, just that they did and their peace now is paid by my tribe's blood. = Justifications for moral high ground.

"If the Merkits did it, then they would do the same thing the Mongols did"? So what?? = Hypothetical isn't real, and she believes she has the right to have revenge.

Page 15

Congrats Sitara, you have move past being the pawn somewhat. Contrasted not just with the Oirats girls but also the former slave from before.

Page 19

Haha, right right! That kind of reasoning isn't too hard to reply to with a "so what" at least in your head.

I am sure it can falter if challenged, but changing it to wish for Mongols peace won't be easy.

 

[OmegaKaiser]

Sitara/Toregene: Are we the bad guys?

 

[judasmartel]

This might not apply here since it wasn't explicitly mentioned, but in actual history, the Oirats were defeated and only surrendered afterward (and also when that one general whose name I forgot mentioned Genghis's enemies attempting to perform a jada ritual that backfired, that story was referring to the Oirat leader and Naiman king)

It's Subutai.

Despite him being one of Genghis Khan's best generals and longest-serving companions, he doesn't seem to have a bigger role in the narrative.

Spoiler: Subutai

He would later be sent to the Western campaign alongside Batu and the first born princes of the empire.

 

[nunchakus]

It is interesting to note that while the manga pushes the blame on Sitara's & Toregene's scheming for what happened to the Oirat girls, in reality historically its more likely to be a power move by Ogedei himself to purge any opposition and further consolidate power within his clan as the Oirat lands were under the control of his sister before her passing.

Either way this has worked in Sitara's favor by pushing the Oirats towards the Tolui faction much like her original plan before Tolui's assassination.

 

[nunchakus]

It's Subutai.

Despite him being one of Genghis Khan's best generals and longest-serving companions, he doesn't seem to have a bigger role in the narrative.

Spoiler: Subutai

He would later be sent to the Western campaign alongside Batu and the first born princes of the empire.

To add to this Subutai also led the siege of Kaifeng during the invasion of Jin, hes the single best military commander the Mongols ever had.

 

[ShrimpShady]

Call me a lawn chair cause I'd fold in seconds