The Ancient Magus' Bride - Vol. 11 Ch. 54 - First impressions are the most lasting II

[Deathhappens]

Oh yeah, it's that guy, that, uh... yeah. Did something.

Honestly I'm having trouble enough telling apart the guys from the gals, let alone remember their names and interactions (that were brought up once a few chapters and months ago).
Still, that'll make re-reading that much more fun.

 

[Deathhappens]

@Swagner and probably the half-dozen other people that are gonna make the same comment in a bit: You folk do realise Paracelsus von Hohenheim was a real person, right? In fact, according to Wikipedia:

"He was a pioneer in several aspects of the "medical revolution" of the Renaissance, emphasizing the value of observation in combination with received wisdom. He is credited as the "father of toxicology". "

 

[Abetillo]

Maybe she was affected by Fae magic and mutated, like the centaur who was switched with the doctor, and now she resents non-humans, like Renfred.

 

[Swagner]

@kaminomikan I guess a reference can have more than one layer. I actually looked up "Hoenheim" to see if it had any significance further back than FMA, but ironically FMA kinda ruined the search results.

@Deathhappens you tell me how you got the name "Paracelsus" from this chapter, and I'll admit that it's possible that Yamazaki was directly referring to the actual historical figure, and not indirectly by way of another anime. It's not exactly a household name.

 

[Tarage]

It's not a FMA reference you dolts. Just like everything with a pose isn't a Jojo reference.

 

[Deathhappens]

@Swagner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Hohenheim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

 

[Omegax]

Interesting so because they have gorgon blood within them they can see/sense other otherworldly/monsters beings. No wonder they are scared mindless of favorite pair. Being a monster in human form (still confident he's a Wendigo) and her being bonded/cursed with a dragon (to say nothing of immortal).

 

[Mangalicious]

Elias craving intimacy? Now that should be interesting!!

Alice is in love with Renfred. I've thought that from the beginning.

What the fuck is up with Ivy?! I'm not a fan of Chise's roommate, but I like how she stepped in when Ivy ignored Chise.

 

[Swagner]

@Deathhappens that doesn't answer the question. Actually, here's a better one: how did you first learn the name Paracelsus Hoenhiem? Remember, we're all in the 7th circle of weeb hell here.

 

[miyako19]

@Swagner
@Slowpoke-kun

I don't think it is a reference to FMA. It is a referenced to Theophrastus von Hohenheim (Paracelsus) , a famous alchemist. It is easy to know that manga that is not a comedic parody manga won't make reference to other manga and anime due to the fear of copyright strike which is really strict in Japan. If you search by Google the term "hohenheim alchemist", the first result is Paracelsus. I think Arakawa Hiromu-sensei named Van Hohenheim after Paracelsus too.

 

[Slowpoke-kun]

@miyako19 dude, I knew that it's most probably not a reference to FMA, since this manga never went into the uncanny valley of anime culture references(uroborus). But, I enjoyed the thought of it being the case and honestly first thought that came to my mind while reading the chapter.

@Deathhappens @miyako19 folks, why so serious?

 

[Beregorn]

@Slowpoke-kun I'm not so sure about that. I mean, "The name Scrymgeour is probably derived from skrymsher which is Old English for a swordsman." but also Harry Potter...

 

[Beregorn]

Seems that house Rickenbacker and house Nightingale roles are switched: Rickenbacker is a guitar manifacturer, while Florence Nightingale founded the nurse profession

 

[Beregorn]

St. George reference is obvious, while Wikipedia says about the Forsyth clan that "If the name is of Celtic origin, then it may derive from Fearsithe, which is Scottish Gaelic for man of peace."

I found nothing about Roseingrave, except a family of anglo-irish organist and composer

 

[Deathhappens]

@Swagner Well, if I'm being honest, it was probably Toaru, but it's trivia I've known for quite a while. But my point is Paracelsus, Hohenheim, or any combination of the two is actually a super common reference when it comes to broad wizardly lore. Off the top of my head, Harry Potter's Paracelsus is mentioned as a famous alchemist that even has his own chocolate frog card. He's a Servant in Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver, and later Fate/Grand Order. Etcetera, etcetera.

 

[Swagner]

@Deathhappens that's fair. I'll admit that I'm not very up on wizardly lore in general, so you're probably right about him being more commonly referenced than I thought.

@miyako19 I actually didn't know that about Japan's copyright laws, that's interesting. I always thought that names/characters from other series' being censored-but-not-really (black bar over eyes, a single asterisk in the name, etc.) was more for comedic effect than legal necessity.

 

[pandacard]

@Swagner the best that you can get as far as Japan's copyright laws, is when a show references another work that the writer did: such as lucky star having manga tanks of haruhi. Well, and just generally stories made in the same studio referencing each other.

 

[Liquidxlax]

damn, I caught up, now I get to play the waiting game like a bitch