The Day I Decided to Make My Cheeky Gyaru Sister Understand in My Own Way - Ch. 4 - The Day My Gal Sister Stepped Out

[Eighty-six]

Sure, she's right that it isn't NTR, but that's only because the MC had his own story hijacked in favor of fuckboy gangbangs.

metanarrative NTR

this is a solid 25% of the reason I prefer Japanese comics to American comics

shit's wild

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

this is a solid 25% of the reason I prefer Japanese comics to American comics

shit's wild

This is not metanarrative NTR; this is non-meta BSS. There's a whole page where they're doing the "HA, remember your cuck BF?" trope right there. We're literally just missing the cuck seeing and hearing all of this, then jerking off in tears.

And this is assuming the deleted chapter isn't still canon.

 

[Eighty-six]

This is not metanarrative NTR

Not intentionally, if I'm correctly reading the guy I ended up agreeing with partly for humor's sake.

 

[CDoom]

If you dont want to expand this conversation further I wont mind as it seems you are done with your nerves, as i wont see it as something negative or cowardly since I think this made it more clearer.

I think at this point you and I both get that we're both missing something here, or we're just not going agree. That's fine. I will make it clear however, I never once defended the author from her making sexist and racist statements. I just said that regardless of whether she did, it doesn't suddenly make any excuses presented look better. I don't need or want a response though, you acknowledged that this convo is done and I'm more than happy with that.

BRO. She was not passed out AT ALL. She doesn't pass out, the black was a fucking time skip. A literal fade to black to future events. She was awake, grinding "her clit on the glans" (as they so very explicitly put it), and actively commenting on how good it feels. The dude isn't holding her arms behind her head, she's fucking leaning on him, and he's putting his arms around her. Then for the finale, she's using her hands on a second guy too! Get the fuck out of here with your cope. Why would you lie like that if you've seen it?

First, I have not seen a "translated" version with the text added in, I've used my own very limited knowledge of Japanese (on and off study for years), so I will fully and wholly acknowledge that someone can have a different interpretation from me. I'm going off what I know and see. The dude's already clearly stuck the tip in in the first pic. If you want to say she's grinding her hips, the guy could also be doing that as well. Now, the reason why I said she's passed out, is because one detail. On page 2, there's a very clear "!?" right besides the girl's face and her eyes are suddenly open. Lastly, regarding her "actively commenting on how good it feels", she says "it's good (kimochii)" on 1 bubble on page 1. But it's anime/hentai, people sleep talk all the time in practically full sentences and the guy's already stuck part of his dick in. I didn't think much of it and the "!?" stuck out to me more. But sure, I'll admit that's the biggest weakness in my interpretation. As for the last page, I already mentioned she was enjoying it by then, not sure why this is being said as if I lied about that.

I am not and have not been disputing if this was NTR or NTR bait. I mean, she's very clearly blowing the guy in this latest chapter. I wanted to share at the time that I posted as most people hadn't seen the fanbox, that she was initially passed out in the fanbox (which in the real world most people would say is rape if they stick it in at that point and the subject of discussion was rape and consent) BUT if you disagree after seeing the fanbox pages yourself, I don't really care.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

First, I have not seen a "translated" version with the text added in, I've used my own very limited knowledge of Japanese (on and off study for years), so I will fully and wholly acknowledge that someone can have a different interpretation from me. I'm going off what I know and see.

My brother in Christ, we can see the movement lines on her hips, and even with 0 Japanese skills, a text bubble pointing directly at her face, with the same character, followed by lots of hearts, should be more than enough to let you know that these are not painful noises. Like, just going by the first thing we see, we've got a woman, eyes open, blushing, moving her hips on some guy's dick, lots of heart noises, and a second guy resting a hand on her head, and gently touching his fingertips on her chin while she leans back on him.

Nothing in this scene implies she's being held up or down with any force, since her arms are bent towards the guy behind her- leaving his only option, for keeping her in an obvious squat, to dead-ass grab her by the skull with all his strength, lifting her up with one single hand, while stroking her chin with the other. And I assure you, that scene would be paired with some pretty pained expressions. Except no! Because if she were unconscious in all of this, her legs would just slump down unless he really, desperately wanted her to be in a squat.

How you interpreted that as "They're holding her down! She has no idea what's happening!" I don't know.

EDIT: Wait a second. I don't think you got the whole thing. The first and second pages are just the chapter. The third page features what I'm talking about, The fourth has him with the tip in, fifth is the slam, sixth is the full gangbang.

Still a dumb misunderstanding, but I can forgive at least parts of what I mention in this section, if that's the case

The dude's already clearly stuck the tip in in the first pic

You need to get your eyes checked. It's clearly still out, and rubbing her clitoris. Hell, if you look closely, you can even make out the urethra prodding the hood.

Now, the reason why I said she's passed out, is because one detail. On page 2, there's a very clear "!?" right besides the girl's face and her eyes are suddenly open.

The reason you said she passed out is apparently because you've already decided that this is rape and ignored every single detail in the scene. The artist is a hack writer. Her art is very much competent, and she has a clear grasp of what she wants to convey in the scene. You decided that this was rape, so you ignore the fact (On top of everything before this) that she's slowly inching her way down, enjoying the moment with her eyes closed, before he thrusts inside her in a single go, without warning.

Lastly, regarding her "actively commenting on how good it feels", she says "it's good (kimochii)" on 1 bubble on page 1. But it's anime/hentai, people sleep talk all the time in practically full sentences and the guy's already stuck part of his dick in.

This is the problem with starting with a conclusion: You ignore everything that contradicts you, and twist everything you acknowledge to support you. Now, on top of everything you've ignored before, the open eyes, the blushing, the heart noises, the movement lines, the fact that she's leaning back, the obvious lack of grip from the other guy, the clear squat... you now even ignore all the talking because you've already decided that she's asleep.

For the record: She was answering his question. It's not really hard to figure out without Japanese skills, since she literally repeats what he said, but as a statement, but I forgive you for not trying; Japanese is intimidating when you can't read it, and god knows I've let a few softballs go like that.

As for the last page, I already mentioned she was enjoying it by then, not sure why this is being said as if I lied about that.

I was obviously talking about everything before it. I have no reason to fight you on things that are obviously true. The only thing that was wrong was her "falling" the the pleasure, since she was into it from the start.

BUT if you disagree after seeing the fanbox pages yourself, I don't really care.

This isn't a difference of opinion. You began with a conclusion, then worked to find anything you could to reach it. In the end, you reached the exact wrong interpretation of what was going on.

 

[CDoom]

This isn't a difference of opinion. You began with a conclusion, then worked to find anything you could to reach it. In the end, you reached the exact wrong interpretation of what was going on.

Aren't you doing the same thing? When you (presumably) had nothing to go off of aside from my post, you still concluded it was a consensual orgy, even going as far as you imagining a scenario where they groped her the whole time to "prep" her.

Whatever, I'm not going to dispute that. But thanks for indirectly insulting my Japanese, I guess.

I wanted to reply that, yes, I was viewing it through a lens. A lens that it was hentai, and I didn't need to analyze every minute detail. Heart shapes? Moans? Hip gyrations while asleep or passed out? Rape hentai has that all the time, doesn't change that it's rape when it happens in those. I'll also say raping into submission is common enough in hentai, but enjoying sex during or after the fact doesn't suddenly make it consensual either, by the way, if the initial consent wasn't given. You don't think this is the case here, and I'm not going to fight you on that, but I at least hope to get across where I'm coming from.

If not taking this manga/hentai seriously has offended you, because you seem to think I'm lying with an agenda or delusional, or maybe both, then I guess I should apologize for seeing it as just hentai.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Aren't you doing the same thing? When you (presumably) had nothing to go off of aside from my post, you still concluded it was a consensual orgy, even going as far as you imagining a scenario where they groped her the whole time to "prep" her.

Even before I got the whole thing, I saw her actively loving it, knew it wasn't her first time, noted that she had every chance to avoid this outcome, and saw the next incident, where she went back for more. You'll notice I limited myself to a short post, and a bit of speculating, based on the assumption that you weren't so hilariously off. Turns out you were, and I didn't go far enough.

Whatever, I'm not going to dispute that. But thanks for indirectly insulting my Japanese, I guess.

What? It happens to me too. The walls of chicken scratch show up, and if you don't instantly recognize it, your eyes glaze over, and you stop. I imagine that's what happened to you, and it's a small miracle you bothered to read the one text bubble.

I wanted to reply that, yes, I was viewing it through a lens. A lens that it was hentai, and I didn't need to analyze every minute detail.

You should probably have analyzed at least some detail, since the author is, ostensibly, also trying to make a story. She just likes to have her cake and eat it to, making the protagonist of her story a total slut, while also (apparently) trying to "save" her without redeeming her. If you didn't see the first image, I take back at least some of what I said. If I tilt my head and squint, I can see how your first thought might be "Oh, they put it in and she's falling to the 'pleasure' "... but only if we don't actually think about anything else, and just pretend we're looking at the second coming of Metamorphosis.

If not taking this manga/hentai seriously has offended you, because you seem to think I'm lying with an agenda or delusional, or maybe both, then I guess I should apologize for seeing it as just hentai.

I'm more upset that we're looking at the same information (You more than me, actually), yet the quality of our conclusions ended so different. Like, I didn't exactly sit around, pondering the exact implications of the image, and the backstory. I saw she's a gal, saw that she keeps going back to these, and concluded she's consenting. Then I saw the first image, and understood what was happening with barely a second thought.

 

[HoangDinh]

Some one ratted you out lol:

I still see it

 

[CDoom]

Even before I got the whole thing, I saw her actively loving it, knew it wasn't her first time, noted that she had every chance to avoid this outcome, and saw the next incident, where she went back for more. You'll notice I limited myself to a short post, and a bit of speculating, based on the assumption that you weren't so hilariously off. Turns out you were, and I didn't go far enough.

What? It happens to me too. The walls of chicken scratch show up, and if you don't instantly recognize it, your eyes glaze over, and you stop. I imagine that's what happened to you, and it's a small miracle you bothered to read the one text bubble.

You should probably have analyzed at least some detail, since the author is, ostensibly, also trying to make a story. She just likes to have her cake and eat it to, making the protagonist of her story a total slut, while also (apparently) trying to "save" her without redeeming her. If you didn't see the first image, I take back at least some of what I said. If I tilt my head and squint, I can see how your first thought might be "Oh, they put it in and she's falling to the 'pleasure' "... but only if we don't actually think about anything else, and just pretend we're looking at the second coming of Metamorphosis.

I'm more upset that we're looking at the same information (You more than me, actually), yet the quality of our conclusions ended so different. Like, I didn't exactly sit around, pondering the exact implications of the image, and the backstory. I saw she's a gal, saw that she keeps going back to these, and concluded she's consenting. Then I saw the first image, and understood what was happening with barely a second thought.

Well I hope we can agree to disagree, then, because I saw the images and the lead up, and came to my interpretation. Call it cope if you want like you did before. I only wanted to reply to you calling me a liar, as if I'm intentionally trying to mislead you when I repeated that you are welcome to your own conclusions, especially now that you've seen the pages.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Well I hope we can agree to disagree, then, because I saw the images and the lead up, and came to my interpretation. Call it cope if you want like you did before. I only wanted to reply to you calling me a liar, as if I'm intentionally trying to mislead you when I repeated that you are welcome to your own conclusions, especially now that you've seen the pages.

Yeah, if you're not thinking about anything at all, then I take back the "liar" thing. Still a very bad take here.

 

[CDoom]

Yeah, if you're not thinking about anything at all, then I take back the "liar" thing. Still a very bad take here.

If you think that's a bad take, that's fine.

But you can leave out the underhanded insult. Not taking it seriously is not the same as "not thinking about anything at all".

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

If you think that's a bad take, that's fine.

But you can leave out the underhanded insult. Not taking it seriously is not the same as "not thinking about anything at all".

Brother, you didn't think about it, and just assumed this was another Metamorphosis. If you think that's an insult, then think about it; make me a liar.

 

[CDoom]

Brother, you didn't think about it, and just assumed this was another Metamorphosis. If you think that's an insult, then think about it; make me a liar.

If you want me to continue this so I can make my argument, not going to happen. I made my points, you disagreed several times. That's enough discourse about it for me.

I realized after I posted I should be taking my own advice about thick-skin on the internet and I shouldn't have even brought it up.

 

[DaBoySwag77]

This is not metanarrative NTR; this is non-meta BSS. There's a whole page where they're doing the "HA, remember your cuck BF?" trope right there. We're literally just missing the cuck seeing and hearing all of this, then jerking off in tears.

And this is assuming the deleted chapter isn't still canon.

Hence its necessary it gets uploaded here. But like I predicted it days ago yet wasnt that hard to grasp at, the scene are 1:1 the same when it fades to black with the only difference we see what happens or not.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Hence its necessary it gets uploaded here. But like I predicted it days ago yet wasnt that hard to grasp at, the scene are 1:1 the same when it fades to black with the only difference we see what happens or not.

And now the artist is going for the "Look, she's learning family love!"... right after she goes to the dude's house, and sucks his dick... again... with just a little coaxing. This chapter, unless the fanbox is going to be a brutal rape scene, kind of proves she's been able to say "no" with literally no consequence. The dude wouldn't even turn her away if she came back, so "getting left out" isn't even a problem.

It's been, what, three, four days? A week, tops. MC gave her water one time, fed her when she got sick one time, then messaged her about dinner, and, failing another incident like in the first fanbox, we're supposed to believe that the message finally got through in this shockingly short period of time. This change is completely unearned, on every level.

 

[willz8]

Can anyone that's seen the latest fanbox tell us what's going on? Is it going to be another source of controversy?

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Can anyone that's seen the latest fanbox tell us what's going on? Is it going to be another source of controversy?

At this point, is there any way to avoid it? Either it's more NTR, or the artist has switched gears to trying to rehabilitate FMC to set up the "fixing her" angle, despite not going through the work needed to make that change natural. This whole chapter happened, what, maybe a week later, and all MC did was offer her some water, nurse her one time, and tell her about dinner, and we're supposed to sit here like "Awww, she's finally stepping away!"

 

[Litreara]

Can anyone that's seen the latest fanbox tell us what's going on? Is it going to be another source of controversy?

 

[willz8]

Guessing while she's sick she has a fever dream about getting the d again then?

 

[Litreara]

Guessing while she's sick she has a fever dream about getting the d again then?

Probably something along those lines. Maybe in the dream it's her brother's D.