Thus far I have no problem with the story. There is nothing wrong with a parent realizing they've fucked up and starting to try and do better. Shit, I'm doing that with my parent's now and I'm in my 20's. It'll be up to him, but there is a lot to be gained if he determines it's worth it for him to have a relationship with her. As for him being like this at 15- like, there are real historical stories of stuff like this going on with people his age... so I don't get people sweating it.
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It's an entertaining story but I find it a little weird how no one is questioning her sudden change in behavior (except for the son, and he only did it very briefly) and literally no one has condemned her for being a neglectful mother for the past 15 years of her child's life... let's be real, she was a shitty mother. she got married young and did so out of obligations. wanted to enjoy her youth and thus, allocated the responsibility of caring for her child to his nanny. her child grew up wonderfully without her. her husband requested that she dined more with her son. I get that on her deathbed, she realized this and thus, returned to the past with this knowledge... but how come the people around her just accepted this change without questioning why this woman who was once neglectful and cold, suddenly has become bubbly, adorable and warmhearted? the only shock i really saw was from the son and even he only questioned it for like a day. i would think that if my mom neglected me for most of my life and i was forced to grow up in a cold household, it would be extremely difficult for me to trust and accept my suddenly 180 degree mom especially if she's trying to force herself into my life.
Her husband also accepts her suddenly affectionate behavior with literally no question and goes along with her whims. It's just confusing because the initial chapters described the relationship between everyone in the family as sort of strained... so why is the husband accepting her sudden random change in personality as if her past 10-15 years of neglect did not happen????? she jumps into his arms when he complied with her request and he just smiles as if this was a regular occurrence. jsut weird, i guess. there's nothing wrong with what MC is trying to do, but I guess the flaw lies in the manhwa's writing and making the seriousness of her past actions unconvincing.
Her husband also accepts her suddenly affectionate behavior with literally no question and goes along with her whims. It's just confusing because the initial chapters described the relationship between everyone in the family as sort of strained... so why is the husband accepting her sudden random change in personality as if her past 10-15 years of neglect did not happen????? she jumps into his arms when he complied with her request and he just smiles as if this was a regular occurrence. jsut weird, i guess. there's nothing wrong with what MC is trying to do, but I guess the flaw lies in the manhwa's writing and making the seriousness of her past actions unconvincing.
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@minar well, suppose there is this one stuck up and blatantly egotistical person that you've put up with for years. At one point wouldn't you just give up on them? Let them think how the want, let them be. If they finally realize they were wrong, good for them. Especially someone in the role of a distant wife and mother. Why go through the trouble of legally or openly pushing them away once they had a 180?
@minar I get what you mean, somethings don't make sense. But I literally know someone who randomly decided they were changing their whole life around.
Sometimes people are suddenly reminded of something or they could even have a nightmare or deaths care which shocks them into reality.
I wish the Duke was a little bit more realistic becuase she was suddenly affectionate with him and he was like 👌
Sometimes people are suddenly reminded of something or they could even have a nightmare or deaths care which shocks them into reality.
I wish the Duke was a little bit more realistic becuase she was suddenly affectionate with him and he was like 👌
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@kimbeverly
Take WMMAP for example... it took athy months to trust claude because she knew what kind of a person he was, how he had treated the original Athy and how he had neglected her for so long.
if you and your partner were married for 15 years and they were cold and ignored you and your child for all of that, how would you feel? your relationship with them would be no different than that of acquaintances or strangers living in the same household. If they're suddenly acting affectionate towards you, you would be cautious and wary. literally be WTF? right now, it feels more like she went on a vacation for 2 years, came back and had an epiphany, which is fine if that were the case. but no, the story built itself around her having been married to him for 15 years now and having neglected her son and husband for all of it. there should AT LEAST be some angst. or maybe it's just a story that took itself way too seriously in the first 2 chapters. perhaps the manhwa author wanted to just jump into the plot and skip the development of the characters but doing so takes away the impact and poignance that you would normally feel when you watch the characters try to accept her back into their life again.
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exactly. I just wish the duke and the other characters would respond more reasonably to her. I mean there's nothing wrong with her realizing the error of her actions and wanting to change. but the seriousness of her neglect feel trivial because of how people easily accepted her back into their lives. take WMMAP for example. it took claude ages to gain athy's trust because she knew what kind of a person he had been and how he treated the original athy. she didn't just suddenly ignore her husband and child for two months. She ignored and neglected her child for pretty much all of his childhood. them accepting her so easily makes the act of neglect feel trivial and inconsequential.
Take WMMAP for example... it took athy months to trust claude because she knew what kind of a person he was, how he had treated the original Athy and how he had neglected her for so long.
if you and your partner were married for 15 years and they were cold and ignored you and your child for all of that, how would you feel? your relationship with them would be no different than that of acquaintances or strangers living in the same household. If they're suddenly acting affectionate towards you, you would be cautious and wary. literally be WTF? right now, it feels more like she went on a vacation for 2 years, came back and had an epiphany, which is fine if that were the case. but no, the story built itself around her having been married to him for 15 years now and having neglected her son and husband for all of it. there should AT LEAST be some angst. or maybe it's just a story that took itself way too seriously in the first 2 chapters. perhaps the manhwa author wanted to just jump into the plot and skip the development of the characters but doing so takes away the impact and poignance that you would normally feel when you watch the characters try to accept her back into their life again.
@ash003
exactly. I just wish the duke and the other characters would respond more reasonably to her. I mean there's nothing wrong with her realizing the error of her actions and wanting to change. but the seriousness of her neglect feel trivial because of how people easily accepted her back into their lives. take WMMAP for example. it took claude ages to gain athy's trust because she knew what kind of a person he had been and how he treated the original athy. she didn't just suddenly ignore her husband and child for two months. She ignored and neglected her child for pretty much all of his childhood. them accepting her so easily makes the act of neglect feel trivial and inconsequential.
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Ooff the comments, why are people so sensitive without even knowing the background of why the Duchess actually acted like that ?? Chill it's just a manhwa , there are far worse male leads who acted way worse and even harrassed their kids to death.
She was young mother, decided to live her own life and died miserably... At least she is trying to acknowledge her wrong doings and change her relationship in the new chance .
She was young mother, decided to live her own life and died miserably... At least she is trying to acknowledge her wrong doings and change her relationship in the new chance .
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@minar I don't feel like the son just forgave her. I think it's just his personality not to lash out at people. It seems like he's been taught to be super respectful towards his parents, even if they don't deserve it. I think he hasn't rejected his mother's affections simply because it would be impolite, but I don't think it's the same as being accepting. He definitely hasn't opened up to her. We can see that he's definitely hiding things from her. In WMMAP, Anthy knows Claude has killed people. It's not just a matter of trust, she's also fearing for her life. In this case, the stakes are rather low for the son. It's not like the mom is going to hurt him. I think he's just got a "let's see where this goes" attitude.
Also, the dad isn't a better parent. The son was being overworked so much that he didn't even realize how tired he actually was until his mother forced him to slow down. I don't think the father doesn't care about the son, but I also don't get the feeling they have a close relationship either. It honestly comes off that the son has the same type of relationship with both parents, cold and impersonal. It's too early for any kind of confrontation, but I expect that in the future the son will eventually unload his feelings.
Also, the dad isn't a better parent. The son was being overworked so much that he didn't even realize how tired he actually was until his mother forced him to slow down. I don't think the father doesn't care about the son, but I also don't get the feeling they have a close relationship either. It honestly comes off that the son has the same type of relationship with both parents, cold and impersonal. It's too early for any kind of confrontation, but I expect that in the future the son will eventually unload his feelings.
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@HaruShizuku_11 I also feel like there's a lot of focus on the mom and not enough on the dad in the comments. In other stories, it's usually a single parent. However, in this case, both the parents are alive. Neither the father or mother seem to have a close relationship with the son. We briefly see the father say something like "don't you think you should spend more time with your son?" to the MC but that's about it. If the son had a mother that was lacking, you would think that the father would have stepped up and made a bigger effort to be more involved in the son's life or to do more to encourage a healthy mother/son relationship. I don't think the father has abused the son or doesn't care about him, but it does come off that the father's primary interest in the son is making sure he's a good heir.
It's really unsettling that we see the son murder someone and mention that this is how he was trained to behave. I saw spoilers in the comments mention that the mother suffered trauma due to the father as well. The mother also clearly had some form of postpartum depression. It doesn't really seem like anyone was helping her and she distracted herself to cope. I think if she had been a malicious person I would have less sympathy, but you can tell she's a good person that made some mistakes. She's really trying. It's kind of annoying that people have more sympathy for much worse fictional characters.
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@HaruShizuku_11 people are seriously sensitive these days cant separate 2d from real life and keep 2d in the 2d realm. some things are never appropriate (manga usually has this issue with the kid shit) but this aint the case.
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@beatriz89
He married his wife because he loves her and felt guilty because he’s probably the main cause to her trauma. He probably doesn’t know how to help her (as everyone do in this time setting) and end up just letting her do whatever that she wants to cope with her trauma.
And yes I agree it’s clearly it is some form of postpartum depression. And those who criticised her clearly doesn’t understand how bad the situation can be. I find it’s pretty realistic that she developed some hatred for her son because he looks exactly like her husband who traumatised her
And yes I agree it’s clearly it is some form of postpartum depression. And those who criticised her clearly doesn’t understand how bad the situation can be. I find it’s pretty realistic that she developed some hatred for her son because he looks exactly like her husband who traumatised her
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Interesting comment section. One person speak up and the rest are following. I like the critical side more. It's not about "people can't separate 2d from 3d" but sometimes it is necessary to rationalize what happened. I think you also might not be able to relate if you're the "just enjoying" type of reader because you don't see from that perception.
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I finished binge read this and I must say this webtoon overlooked some details to fill the gap. I agree the mother should be contemplating her old self more and carefully adjusting her new surroundings before doing anything. It's weird to me no one question her all buddy-buddy behavior except the son himself (I kind of get the father's but it just left at that). And the mother's shocked reaction because she didn't know much about her son at all bugging me as if she got amnesia. I think this is another story of acceptance without deep meanings.
EDITED :
I finished binge read this and I must say this webtoon overlooked some details to fill the gap. I agree the mother should be contemplating her old self more and carefully adjusting her new surroundings before doing anything. It's weird to me no one question her all buddy-buddy behavior except the son himself (I kind of get the father's but it just left at that). And the mother's shocked reaction because she didn't know much about her son at all bugging me as if she got amnesia. I think this is another story of acceptance without deep meanings.
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@goronyanpai
Trauma do weird things to your brain. One is it causes memory loss, having gaps in memory, and etc. The fl went through something traumatic involving her husband while she was pregnant and her son looks like her husband. Pretty sure you can add it all up yourself
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@goronyanpai
How is it not traumatic to see someone get killed right in front of you? She saw her husband killed his own cousin. Son looks like her husband. You saw how easily her son killed the traffickers. I don't know how else to explain it to you without writing a whole thesis of the effects of trauma on someone. I'm just gonna chuck it all in your lack of empathy and inability to put yourself in someone else's shoe
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I don‘t know if it‘s just me but i can‘t open the manhwa, it always shows „database error“ window :/ anyone got the same problem?
