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I thought the pacing got weird in the last two chapters, but I figured it out. New translation group. It all makes sense now. That's why the story and dialogue didn't make much sense.
The Former Structural Analyst's Otherworldly Adventure Story - Vol. 1 Ch. 6
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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I like the pacing of this because it skips a lot of filler content. For example, they didn't waste a ton of panels collecting the other injured people and showing her going from bed to bed healing, they just say there are 19 people that need healing, collect them, and then skip right to the end where she has healed all of them. I'm all for it. And in earlier chapters they basically skipped the boring years before she turns 5 where nothing happens. All for it. Skip the filler crap so we can figure out where the plot is going faster! My ADD is loving it!
Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the update.
@Yurisivel Normally the terms 'technology' and 'science' are used interchangeably, but in this case a breakthrough in magic is considered technological. It might not be science, but it is through using a technique. Hence the same etymological root in both technology and technique.
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Not really, technology is narrowed by it's application of scientific knowledge. You already said that magic isn't really scientific, so they are two different things. Would you call it a scientific breakthrough then if they used an unheard magical technique? Of course not. Same thing with technological breakthrough. The dwarves have been using metallurgy and literal machinery in their crafts, to say they had a technological breakthrough when they fucking switched to using magic is the epitome of an oxymoron.
Not really, technology is narrowed by it's application of scientific knowledge. You already said that magic isn't really scientific, so they are two different things. Would you call it a scientific breakthrough then if they used an unheard magical technique? Of course not. Same thing with technological breakthrough. The dwarves have been using metallurgy and literal machinery in their crafts, to say they had a technological breakthrough when they fucking switched to using magic is the epitome of an oxymoron.
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Other way around, actually. Technology is application of knowledge of a craft, while science is the explanation of the phenomena taking place. Technology comes first in the equation. If science was required for the application, then that is akin to saying that knowledge of molecules and chemical reactions was needed in the creation of gunpowder in our world.
Magic is simply a natural phenomenon that does not exist according to our world's physical laws, but can exist in another universe like in that of fiction. Rather than judging magic by our universe's standards, it is more appropriate to see magic as being as natural to the characters in the world as gravity is in ours.
Just imagine a character coming from a game and appearing in our world. How wild do you think they'd find it that people in our world get stronger from eating healthily and maintaining an active lifestyle, rather than fighting monsters and eating out of garbage cans.
No, magic is just another approach to manipulating objects. Just think of it as a third option other than manipulating something physically or chemically. As far as I understand magic, it is having your perception and conception alter the physical world around you (which doesn't apply in our world, we just call those people delusional).
By the way, it would indeed be a technological breakthrough, like the Bessemer Process in making steel.
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Technology is schemas, science is explaining the schemas. "Hmm, I can manipulate magic power outside of objects according to my will, so what if I were to pour it into an object?" is the thought process taking place here.
Other way around, actually. Technology is application of knowledge of a craft, while science is the explanation of the phenomena taking place. Technology comes first in the equation. If science was required for the application, then that is akin to saying that knowledge of molecules and chemical reactions was needed in the creation of gunpowder in our world.
Magic is simply a natural phenomenon that does not exist according to our world's physical laws, but can exist in another universe like in that of fiction. Rather than judging magic by our universe's standards, it is more appropriate to see magic as being as natural to the characters in the world as gravity is in ours.
Just imagine a character coming from a game and appearing in our world. How wild do you think they'd find it that people in our world get stronger from eating healthily and maintaining an active lifestyle, rather than fighting monsters and eating out of garbage cans.
No, magic is just another approach to manipulating objects. Just think of it as a third option other than manipulating something physically or chemically. As far as I understand magic, it is having your perception and conception alter the physical world around you (which doesn't apply in our world, we just call those people delusional).
By the way, it would indeed be a technological breakthrough, like the Bessemer Process in making steel.
TL;DR
Technology is schemas, science is explaining the schemas. "Hmm, I can manipulate magic power outside of objects according to my will, so what if I were to pour it into an object?" is the thought process taking place here.
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@Diamona
Uh yes? It is important to understand how chemical reactions work in order to create gunpowder, or you'll be caught in uncontrolled explosion. Just like how it is important to understand biological reactions to create an antidote. Any product created has a basis in knowledge, in this context it just happens to be "scientific knowledge".
If we cannot agree here, then I'll just simply agree to disagree. But there are specific contexts to the word, and I find using the phrase "technological breakthrough" in a fantasy setting where "magic" exists to be an oxymoron.
Uh yes? It is important to understand how chemical reactions work in order to create gunpowder, or you'll be caught in uncontrolled explosion. Just like how it is important to understand biological reactions to create an antidote. Any product created has a basis in knowledge, in this context it just happens to be "scientific knowledge".
If we cannot agree here, then I'll just simply agree to disagree. But there are specific contexts to the word, and I find using the phrase "technological breakthrough" in a fantasy setting where "magic" exists to be an oxymoron.
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I mean how gunpowder was invented in the 9th century and understood through ratios of ingredients. I'm talking about science when it was called alchemy and was seen to happen through magic, rather than chemical reactions. Also, while it would be preferable if all products were created with a basis in knowledge, homeopathy is something that exists. I am glad you are someone who isn't foreign to logic (too many people!).
If science involves observing a phenomenon and testing it, and magic is an observable phenomenon and testable, there is no reason it cannot have a subsection of science dedicated to understanding it in a fantasy world. Yes, our science was developed through thousands of years and one of the greatest hallmarks of humanity, and yes, magic can be seen as a crutch hindering the development of knowledge for being too convenient.
But in any well-written series using magic, magic requires an understanding of the phenomenon, has a drain on the user, and isn't simply 'Clap your hands if you believe in plot resolution'. If it has rules and limitations, there are inevitably people who have died surpassing those limits. And people who see these dead people and think "Huh. I'll be more cautious" and so it is studied. Evolution in any field stands on the shoulders of giants and the corpses of idiots. I had to think about that last sentence for a while for me to double check it.
Now to think of it, is your criticism about how a child can casually invent enchanting (passing magic through an object to bestow a physical or magical altercation) when that should have been something discovered much earlier on by magicians? It seems weird that no one bothered to check with using magic on mythril before using the more costly steps of making a manufacturing process. It is as basic as adding water to food and boiling it to make soup.
I mean how gunpowder was invented in the 9th century and understood through ratios of ingredients. I'm talking about science when it was called alchemy and was seen to happen through magic, rather than chemical reactions. Also, while it would be preferable if all products were created with a basis in knowledge, homeopathy is something that exists. I am glad you are someone who isn't foreign to logic (too many people!).
If science involves observing a phenomenon and testing it, and magic is an observable phenomenon and testable, there is no reason it cannot have a subsection of science dedicated to understanding it in a fantasy world. Yes, our science was developed through thousands of years and one of the greatest hallmarks of humanity, and yes, magic can be seen as a crutch hindering the development of knowledge for being too convenient.
But in any well-written series using magic, magic requires an understanding of the phenomenon, has a drain on the user, and isn't simply 'Clap your hands if you believe in plot resolution'. If it has rules and limitations, there are inevitably people who have died surpassing those limits. And people who see these dead people and think "Huh. I'll be more cautious" and so it is studied. Evolution in any field stands on the shoulders of giants and the corpses of idiots. I had to think about that last sentence for a while for me to double check it.
Now to think of it, is your criticism about how a child can casually invent enchanting (passing magic through an object to bestow a physical or magical altercation) when that should have been something discovered much earlier on by magicians? It seems weird that no one bothered to check with using magic on mythril before using the more costly steps of making a manufacturing process. It is as basic as adding water to food and boiling it to make soup.
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@Diamona
I think it's more fundamental than that, at least to me.
Technology is the process and refinement of techniques in their craft. It's a labor of love that only develops as time continues on. It's the reason why we are able to produce such precise and powerful tools in this day and age to make our lives more convenient and easier. Without that laborious trial and error founded upon scientific methodology, we would still be banging rocks together to create fire. I think that's reason why it irks me is that calling it a "technological breakthrough" is really more of a misnomer, in addition to it being a oxymoron. There is no such empirical process, methodology, or application of existing knowledge used to further the study of the field using magic. There is none of that with the introduction of magic into the equation, because it abandons the culmination of knowledge to reach the end product. Why keep advancing metallurgy when you can use magic to serve at the material, why devise more precise machinery when your personal control of magic will handle the process for you? If using magic to do "everything" really becomes too convenient, then it simply narrows your worldview and understanding of the world around you.
I think it's more fundamental than that, at least to me.
Technology is the process and refinement of techniques in their craft. It's a labor of love that only develops as time continues on. It's the reason why we are able to produce such precise and powerful tools in this day and age to make our lives more convenient and easier. Without that laborious trial and error founded upon scientific methodology, we would still be banging rocks together to create fire. I think that's reason why it irks me is that calling it a "technological breakthrough" is really more of a misnomer, in addition to it being a oxymoron. There is no such empirical process, methodology, or application of existing knowledge used to further the study of the field using magic. There is none of that with the introduction of magic into the equation, because it abandons the culmination of knowledge to reach the end product. Why keep advancing metallurgy when you can use magic to serve at the material, why devise more precise machinery when your personal control of magic will handle the process for you? If using magic to do "everything" really becomes too convenient, then it simply narrows your worldview and understanding of the world around you.
@Yurisivel
Just think of magic as computer programming that directly influences reality. You can program almost anything, but you need to understand how to do it. Magic isn't a logic-less thing, just keep in mind the shield and spear paradox (unstoppable force and immovable object).
I imagine a dagger is easier to give to other to use than say, a fireball. I also imagine that if long-distance communication through magic exists, there also exists magic that can eavesdrop on it, which would lead to competitive escalation of techniques of encoding and decrypting. If every 3-year-old has access to the power of lighters and handguns, I'm pretty sure that there would be magic in place to limit the damage of the average disgruntled child. Knowledge accumulation isn't unnecessary if magic is a factor.
I brought up the point of magic being too convenient in my last comment, by the way. I can get into a discussion about the nature of knowledge if needed, but it will be boring, philosophical and littered with poorly worded analogies. If you wish to delve into that rabbit hole, let's do it through sending messages to each other, rather than on this chapter comment section.
Just think of magic as computer programming that directly influences reality. You can program almost anything, but you need to understand how to do it. Magic isn't a logic-less thing, just keep in mind the shield and spear paradox (unstoppable force and immovable object).
I imagine a dagger is easier to give to other to use than say, a fireball. I also imagine that if long-distance communication through magic exists, there also exists magic that can eavesdrop on it, which would lead to competitive escalation of techniques of encoding and decrypting. If every 3-year-old has access to the power of lighters and handguns, I'm pretty sure that there would be magic in place to limit the damage of the average disgruntled child. Knowledge accumulation isn't unnecessary if magic is a factor.
I brought up the point of magic being too convenient in my last comment, by the way. I can get into a discussion about the nature of knowledge if needed, but it will be boring, philosophical and littered with poorly worded analogies. If you wish to delve into that rabbit hole, let's do it through sending messages to each other, rather than on this chapter comment section.
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It's sometimes really funny how over-the-top isekai manga can get with its "this food didn't exist in the past, and now everyone is in shock and awe that someone managed to create something so delicious" moments, but the sashimi + mayo thing really takes the cake. A whole crowd gathering and raising a fuss because some kid put a condiment on a food item.
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If u want to be the saint just be the saint... the MC even don't even know her before the carriage meeting... tsk.. another unreasonable villain..
So, people also realized how unreasonable it is to imagine that "just imagining and pouring in magic" to create something has never been figured out by anyone else, when it can be done by pretty much anyone.
I know its isekai, but I wonder if the author really saw no problem in writing that kind of nonsense when they dared to make the protagonist a scientific person.
I know its isekai, but I wonder if the author really saw no problem in writing that kind of nonsense when they dared to make the protagonist a scientific person.
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"Raw fish smells like fish so people here dont like it"
??????????????????????????????????????????
WOW SHE MIXED FISH AND SAUCE THATS REVOLUTIONARY NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT!!!
Also the TL fuckup on 13
"Do you have mayonnaise"
"mayo...do you mean mayonnaise"
Yes thats exactly what she said cunt
Stories like this are really unbearable
The entire world revolves around the MC everything they do is amazing and life changing and everyone loves em because they are perfect
Like the new starwars trilogy
??????????????????????????????????????????
WOW SHE MIXED FISH AND SAUCE THATS REVOLUTIONARY NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT!!!
Also the TL fuckup on 13
"Do you have mayonnaise"
"mayo...do you mean mayonnaise"
Yes thats exactly what she said cunt
Stories like this are really unbearable
The entire world revolves around the MC everything they do is amazing and life changing and everyone loves em because they are perfect
Like the new starwars trilogy
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I love the 1700's CNC machine the dwarves are using.
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I can't imagine how someone would ask if a word means the same thing as itself in a fan translated manga. Gee, it's almost as if this was translated from Japanese to English, which is also sometimes used in the very source material that's being translated due to loan words and other things.
That thing says both "Mayonnaise" and "Mayonēzu" on it, in case you're wondering. Strangely, they both somehow translate to "mayonnaise." So weird, huh? I just don't know what would happen if both things were on the same page of a manga that's being translated and nobody specifically makes a note of that happening. Can't fathom the possibilities of how that might look.
Frankly I don't know what the untranslated page looked like. It just as easily could have been "mayo" and "mayonnaise" but it really doesn't matter because either way it's possibly just one little thing being slightly off in the translation and typesetting that you're acting like that about when two seconds of thinking could present multiple answers to a question about "why this is like this." So I think that's probably quite enough sarcasm for the day. But, I also bet somebody will squeeze some more out of me in one of the other chapters after this anyway.
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