The Girl, the Shovel, and the Evil Eye - Ch. 23 - The Definition of a Non-Living Thing

[rluka]

Did you forget that part were Dragon girl was commisioned via the guild to free them cause it was bad?

Wasn't it also implied that it's Leeseheimer who put the job to the guild?

Leeseheimer is probably annoyed because Myriad had been biting too much into the slave trade. With the job, she could use Sephina to crush her business rival, without dirtying her own hands. Even if it's found out, she can still say it's for a just cause of liberating slaves who are traited unfairly.

 

[Nimroth]

This development wasn't good at all, It could have been resolved long ago if the adventurers had dealt with myriad. The girl was supposedly one of a handful of beings that you MUST avoid, but these people just took the mission of killing her for a little bit more of money than a mission of dealing with a lot weaker slaver? Also, it was shown that she can easily kill any of them but just stood there in the middle taking all of their attacks? There are so many holes in this arc that I felt like my interest in this was lowering with every new chapter. I also don't see why this fight was good, there wasn't any actual fight, she was just there taking damage until the very minute when she couldn't anymore.
Now that I remember, Are they even going to get paid now that myriad died? If I remember correctly it was just a verbal contract.

He paid them a hundred times more than the bounty put on him though, that is well beyond "a little bit more".
Also there is no guarantee that the situation would be solved with Myriad's death, that was nothing more than Lesseheimer's suggestion, which could have been entirely unreliable and still ended up with Sephina going on a rampage afterward.
And one of the main reasons given for why the guild was avoiding a confrontation in the first place was that most of their personel wasn't in town, presumably because they were busy with the dungeon, so the situation somewhat changed when Myriad went straight there.
We already saw the adventurers guild of the other town willing to confront her with a much smaller group of people in her introduction into the story, so I don't find it particularly unbelieveable that they would be willing to give it a chance when in a much larger group.

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Wasn't it also implied that it's Leeseheimer who put the job to the guild?

Leeseheimer is probably annoyed because Myriad had been biting too much into the slave trade. With the job, she could use Sephina to crush her business rival, without dirtying her own hands. Even if it's found out, she can still say it's for a just cause of liberating slaves who are traited unfairly.

I mean I look at this chapter and I go "Hmm seems suss" that they are legit you know. Also this page but you know they clearly aren't evil no siree.

 

[LordTartaros]

Full chapters are insane !!

 

[AnotherDuck]

Not at all, it was still a situation where he could have gotten anything out of it. His expectation for getting the ability to see mp didn't have any basis besides "i will see more stuff".

He has a skill that allows him to see stats. Expecting to see more stats is not "anything". Expecting to see MP, which is one of the most important statistics, and one you normally see in games with such a skill, is completely normal. There's more of a stretch that he wouldn't be able to see it, given everything else. He has more basis for expecting to see MP than you have for not expecting it.

 

[jokerxhisoka]

He has a skill that allows him to see stats. Expecting to see more stats is not "anything". Expecting to see MP, which is one of the most important statistics, and one you normally see in games with such a skill, is completely normal. There's more of a stretch that he wouldn't be able to see it, given everything else. He has more basis for expecting to see MP than you have for not expecting it.

What? There's no basis at all, he doesn't know what other stats there are, he doesn't know if there are more details of the stats he can already see, he doesn't even know if the "mp" stat is something that can be seen. Saying that, since it's something common in games from his previous world so it should be expected, is a stretch if I've ever seen one. That's nothing but guesswork.

 

[jokerxhisoka]

He paid them a hundred times more than the bounty put on him though, that is well beyond "a little bit more".
Also there is no guarantee that the situation would be solved with Myriad's death, that was nothing more than Lesseheimer's suggestion, which could have been entirely unreliable and still ended up with Sephina going on a rampage afterward.
And one of the main reasons given for why the guild was avoiding a confrontation in the first place was that most of their personel wasn't in town, presumably because they were busy with the dungeon, so the situation somewhat changed when Myriad went straight there.
We already saw the adventurers guild of the other town willing to confront her with a much smaller group of people in her introduction into the story, so I don't find it particularly unbelieveable that they would be willing to give it a chance when in a much larger group.

I reread that part and you're right about the payment, but in my opinion it's even worse than I expected. They are all low ranking adventurers, D and E! How is it possible that a ragtag group of weaklings were able to stop someone that was supposed to be so strong? As I've said, the author made her too strong and didn't know how to deal with the character.

 

[Nimroth]

I reread that part and you're right about the payment, but in my opinion it's even worse than I expected. They are all low ranking adventurers, D and E! How is it possible that a ragtag group of weaklings were able to stop someone that was supposed to be so strong? As I've said, the author made her too strong and didn't know how to deal with the character.

Eh, in the final confrontation it includes C and B ranks as well.

 

[AnotherDuck]

What?

Pretty much what I think of your interpretation. We'll have to agree to disagree. That part of the story makes perfect sense to me.

 

[wristwatch23]

And that kids is why small boobs save lives

The wound was so deep that her ribcage was damaged and her heart exposed, she would die even have smaller boobs.

 

[Nolzi]

New titles acquired:

• Boob Scooper
• Dragon Slayer

 

[blizzardwing]

awesome fight, kinda sad they seem to have killed her though, she was pretty

 

[BadmanBlues]

Have mixed feelings about this fight.
The one who started this fiasco was Myriad Company who is the slaver company that kidnap the Scooper in Chp 13.

And yet, they somehow twist the narrative to the dragon child is the enemy that need to be put down.
Myriad.Co hired a lot of adventurers included the Scooper and Evil eyes with tons of cash.

So, who is in the wrong here?

Not all things are as simple as right and wrong. I think it's right to say both are in the wrong. Dragon Child may have had noble ambitions when she started, but at this point she's little different than a monster. She may kill slavers, but she'll kill a lot of innocent people along the way. Including the children she's supposed to save, not because of a contract, but because of simple moral duty. Myriad may have been a charismatic leader and a respectable patron of adventurers, but he still engaged in chattel slavery.

What this arc shows us is that the author is capable of creating good 3-dimensional characters. Myriad was not what I would call a good man. But one one man's war criminal is another man's folk hero. Al Capone was a violent monster, but many of Chicago's poor remembered him fondly for decades because of his soup kitchen. People present different appearances to different crowds, and so people see them differently. Certainly, both Myriad and the Dragon Child have some admirable character traits. But many of the deeds they have committed are contemptible, and neither are defensible.

 

[Okazerker]

This development wasn't good at all, It could have been resolved long ago if the adventurers had dealt with myriad. The girl was supposedly one of a handful of beings that you MUST avoid, but these people just took the mission of killing her for a little bit more of money than a mission of dealing with a lot weaker slaver? Also, it was shown that she can easily kill any of them but just stood there in the middle taking all of their attacks? There are so many holes in this arc that I felt like my interest in this was lowering with every new chapter. I also don't see why this fight was good, there wasn't any actual fight, she was just there taking damage until the very minute when she couldn't anymore.
Now that I remember, Are they even going to get paid now that myriad died? If I remember correctly it was just a verbal contract.

got paid upfront when they accepted the contract

 

[Okazerker]

So they wasted more than a year on this arc to glorify a slave trader for no reason (he just tried to save himself in the end by leading alot of people to their deaths and let's not forget about kidnapping even childred to turn them into slaves) + killing a lady who was sort of "insane" because of the curse with a splash of childhood trauma from abuse and who was just following an official request albeit in her own twisted ways. I find the dragon lady being the real victim here used by a slave trader to kill another slave trader to just get disposed off in the end. Kinda of letdown for me, especially with all those sneaky ways to make you feel sorry for the slaver.

i mean she tried to eat the kid as soon as his "slave" status disapeared

 

[AAA1]

the only one I see assuming anything here is you. I put it in between quotations exactly because it worked like an unknown power that shows up in the most opportune moment. Leveling his evil eye could have shown any kind of stat, even so, he got the ability to see the exact stat that he needed at that moment.

Don't mixed my different point into one argument like this. My point of your assumption is only for the mc to give a chase to serina. Don't make it out of context please.

It's not unknown power, you dummy. What you meant is a plot armor things that every battle manga have. It doesn't make a big impact anyway if he doesn't conveniently got the stat he needs after leveling that up. He can ask other mage in the field to look into enemy's mana. There is mechanism of estimating this kind of thing in previous chapters. Anyway, reader still would expect he got something after leveling that skill. It's basic normal thought to assume he got that stat. Overthinking things would moves you nowhere. Congrats you just make the fight more stretched and duller if that would happen exactly what you want

 

[AAA1]

Did you forget that part were Dragon girl was commisioned via the guild to free them cause it was bad? Also yes its abuse to slave anyone, if you want to save teh children you employ them not feckin enslave them. I cannot believe I have to explain slavery bad but here we are.

Feel free if you want to explain how slavery is bad. That topic is highly biased anyway. Don't waste your time for pointless topic. I would ignore your point for this anyway

Back to my previous point to explain it further. Employment and slavery have different impact in this world that have tags for many people in it.
An 'employee' means he can stand by himself without any need to have guardian for him. A 'slave' means he is owned as property by the owner and the owner (if its responsible) need to properly give his 'property' any kind of support to make the slave live longer.

And if it's a 'kid', this would give them a more advantage (in the same kind of responsible owner/employer). The reason is :
1. This is the general idea of people that lives in this world
2. A kid employee is easy target to be kidnapped again by more worse slave trader. If it has the job 'slave' by strong company, other people would hesitate to do bad things to the kids because they are afraid if the kids actually someone 'favorite'. A kid employee would be looked down upon with pity and remorse by society too. That's nothing different with being a real slave. The job 'slave' actually protected them from being eaten by sefina in the plot story.
3. Myriad's intention is to make them move to proper place, not raising them. It would make it more attractive to the buyer with the fact the kid is a 'slave' than 'employee'. Who would expect the kid 'employee' to have an actual skill in the job. And the rights they hold would give more weight to the potential new owner.
4. Lifting the slave job is easy you just need the owner's agreement to do that.

 

[totaledraptor13]

HELL YEAH THATS HOW GOOD FIGHTS ARE DONE! WOOOOOOOOO

 

[totaledraptor13]

Wonder if the manga will also abruptly end next chap just like how the novel went into a indefinite hiatus immedietly after the dragon lady arc.

This is the latest chap in the novels, only thing left is an epilogue.

So unless the novel author plans for the manga to overpass the plot of the novel, next chap may be the last.

well shit

 

[Dwarfy2k]

Feel free if you want to explain how slavery is bad. That topic is highly biased anyway. Don't waste your time for pointless topic. I would ignore your point for this anyway

Back to my previous point to explain it further. Employment and slavery have different impact in this world that have tags for many people in it.
An 'employee' means he can stand by himself without any need to have guardian for him. A 'slave' means he is owned as property by the owner and the owner (if its responsible) need to properly give his 'property' any kind of support to make the slave live longer.

And if it's a 'kid', this would give them a more advantage (in the same kind of responsible owner/employer). The reason is :
1. This is the general idea of people that lives in this world
2. A kid employee is easy target to be kidnapped again by more worse slave trader. If it has the job 'slave' by strong company, other people would hesitate to do bad things to the kids because they are afraid if the kids actually someone 'favorite'. A kid employee would be looked down upon with pity and remorse by society too. That's nothing different with being a real slave. The job 'slave' actually protected them from being eaten by sefina in the plot story.
3. Myriad's intention is to make them move to proper place, not raising them. It would make it more attractive to the buyer with the fact the kid is a 'slave' than 'employee'. Who would expect the kid 'employee' to have an actual skill in the job. And the rights they hold would give more weight to the potential new owner.
4. Lifting the slave job is easy you just need the owner's agreement to do that.

You need to go back to the start of the arc, you clearly don't remember the fact that they are an "Underground" slavery company that forceably enslaves children. The children never had a choice so please stop trying to make the slavers sound noble cause they are infact not.