The Heroine Has Despaired - Vol. 7 Ch. 63

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Like what? Sexual assault? Torture? Because--


...Shibuya?

In their first fight? Chapters 9 through 11? She sexually assaulted and brutalized her? She broke her limbs? She was literally getting sexually aroused by it? And given what she was explaining about her motives, it wouldn't have been the first time did that.

I know I'm not confabulating this-- I went back to check. Even after she becomes "friends" with Shibuya, she still regularly sexually harasses her.
But she wouldn't torture Akiba without him crossing the line. Or more like, the police (if they exist in this universe) would have involved themselves. In game it is different. You're free to do anything without the contraints of the law.

Again, I'm not saying Adachi is not a psycho, but at least she has some common sense.
 

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Funny that the mc and the bitch are cruel, rapist in the making, torture enjoyers pieces of shit but some people think that one of them is a better person than the other and deserves forgiveness.
I hope they are just trolling, I truly do.
 
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Not enough common sense to stop needlessly toying with a cornered rat.
Don't get me wrong, she is still a psycho. I bet she could have killed Akiba without a single remorse in her face. What I meant is that she is not delusional, or at least not as much as Akiba. Her train of thoughts is thus less annoying and creepy than Akiba.
Funny that the mc and the bitch are cruel, rapist in the making, torture enjoyers pieces of shit but some people think that one of them is a better person than the other and deserves forgiveness.
I hope they are just trolling, I truly do.
for the record I don't think any of them deserve forgiveness, at least not yet. I'm just saying they need professional help, and one (Akiba) is more difficult to help than the other. Once they have seen and admitted the wrong in what they did, reformed, and actively try to become a better person, only then can we talk about forgiveness. I have this belief that everyone deserve a second chance, but only when they want that second chance in the first place. This include both Akiba and Adachi, as well as that slave driver brat before.

right now, both of them can die and I wouldn't care a bit, except for the fact that it would drag out the drama of this already fucked up manga, which I already ran out of popcorn to enjoy it with.
 
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Funny that the mc and the bitch are cruel, rapist in the making, torture enjoyers pieces of shit but some people think that one of them is a better person than the other and deserves forgiveness.
I hope they are just trolling, I truly do.
For me it just has to do with the fact that one legitimately cares about Shibuya as a person(Adachi) whereas the other only cares about Shibuya as an object(Akiba). It doesn't mean I forgive her for what she did to Shibuya but it does let me look at her more favorably that she actively helps her and the others without the need of everyone bowing down to them as singing his praises.
 
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You know, a lot of this would have been solved if they just did the thing in the infinite prisoner's dilemma. Just tell Akiba they'll break x bones in his body once the game is over, x being the number of times he's been a piece of shit. Or something like that. Just threaten to punish him when they're free from his control if he doesn't behave himself. As long as Akiba values his bones more than the emotional satisfaction of torturing people they'll be fine. In the end, he's always powerless in the real world. They could just bow down, do whatever he tells them to, but remind him that they'll pay him back ten times more once the shit is over.
 
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It’s true, but I do notice that her acceptable targets for going that far are anyone her mind deems as a threat.
Her logic as explained in her introduction has nothing to do with "threats", and she wouldn't be able to do anything against a "threat" in the first place (see: her wailing on Akiba for the sake of her satisfaction when he isn't a threat to her IRL and wouldn't be a threat to her at all if she could freeze him out of games).

She's a sexual sadist that gets away with what she can.
But she wouldn't torture Akiba without him crossing the line.
She tortured Shibuya for even less reason, and justified herself by saying that they "have" to enjoy themselves in the game in the way she did. She's definitely tortured other people in the game before she got to Shibuya.

She hasn't even changed. She never came to an epiphany that she was a horrible person. She just doesn't have any targets outside of Akiba, because he messed with an object of her affection (that she regularly sexually harasses).

Or more like, the police (if they exist in this universe) would have involved themselves. In game it is different. You're free to do anything without the contraints of the law.
The police are an imaginary construct in this manga
 
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Is making false claims saying that we believe Adachi is innocent as fresh virgin snow a revisionist strategy or are you guys really working on a sith/Jedi ethical system of absolutes where you cannot comprehend shades of grey?
Not enough common sense to stop needlessly toying with a cornered rat.
At no point in this manga has Akiba demonstrated the ability to not be gutter trash. He does not go a single battle outside of the original tutorial battle without attempting to backstab everyone for an imagined slight. The closest thing to him actually trying to be helpful was the raid battle where he sabotaged everyone in order to make himself look good and screwed it up like the team killing fucktard he is.
We are far beyond the point where him being a cornered rat can be used as a reason for him doing this. He was not pressured into it. It is just what he does and has done for the entirety of the manga. The entire week or so he has been planning this is the most peace and quiet everyone has gotten from him. It might be the excuse he is going with right now, but without it he would have still done the same because somebody breathed in the wrong direction or Shibuya stopped being depressed for half a second.
There’s no scenario where he’s been stopped from raping Shibuya where he isn’t planning revenge for cockblocking him. He did not get victimized into this.
 
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Is making false claims saying that we believe Adachi is innocent as fresh virgin snow a revisionist strategy or are you guys really working on a sith/Jedi ethical system of absolutes where you cannot comprehend shades of grey?
Is making false claims saying I'm making false claims saying that you believe Adachi is innocent as fresh virgin snow a revisionist strategy, or do you not notice that you (or rather, "you all") are actively trying to justify Adachi's sadistic tendencies by suggesting that she has a "line" (she all but molested Shibuya and paraded her to both Akiba and her controller), or "goes after threats" (she revels in her sadism, and Akiba is a bundle of reeds in a high school uniform), or "goes after people who've crossed a line" (she said she did what she did to Shibuya to her other opponents)? She still sexually harasses Shibuya, you know.

It's not trying to point out shades of grey-- it's trying to cast Adachi (a sexual assaulter and sadist) as "less bad" than Akiba (a sexual assaulter and sadist) because she has "reasons", and these "reasons" can be used to paint her in a more sympathetic light. Reasons that can't even be real, since she's been wailing on him with her gorilla strength.

Both of these people are equally morally black as coal.

We are far beyond the point where him being a cornered rat can be used as a reason for him doing this. He was not pressured into it. It is just what he does and has done for the entirety of the manga. The entire week or so he has been planning this is the most peace and quiet everyone has gotten from him. It might be the excuse he is going with right now, but without it he would have still done the same because somebody breathed in the wrong direction or Shibuya stopped being depressed for half a second.
There’s no scenario where he’s been stopped from raping Shibuya where he isn’t planning revenge for cockblocking him. He did not get victimized into this.
The "issue" is that we now have a story where Akiba is doing this partly as retribution against Adachi brutalizing him well past the point of purpose, rather than a story where Akiba is doing this as retribution against just being put in his place. Put another way, it would have reflected worse on Akiba if Adachi was trying to constructively or conservatively beat him up and he did this with that in mind.

Just because this is all but inevitable doesn't mean she didn't throw gasoline on the dumpster fire that is their relationship, adulterating a reasonably vigorous defense of Shibuya/putting in line of Akiba with her sadism while failing to endear herself to the ex-slaves such that they were more inclined to cross her with Akiba.
 
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Is making false claims saying I'm making false claims saying that you believe Adachi is innocent as fresh virgin snow a revisionist strategy, or do you not notice that you (or rather, "you all") are actively trying to justify Adachi's sadistic tendencies by suggesting that she has a "line" (she all but molested Shibuya and paraded her to both Akiba and her controller), or "goes after threats" (she revels in her sadism, and Akiba is a bundle of reeds in a high school uniform), or "goes after people who've crossed a line" (she said she did what she did to Shibuya to her other opponents)? She still sexually harasses Shibuya, you know.

It's not trying to point out shades of grey-- it's trying to cast Adachi (a sexual assaulter and sadist) as "less bad" than Akiba (a sexual assaulter and sadist) because she has "reasons", and these "reasons" can be used to paint her in a more sympathetic light. Reasons that can't even be real, since she's been wailing on him with her gorilla strength.

Both of these people are equally morally black as coal.


The "issue" is that we now have a story where Akiba is doing this partly as retribution against Adachi brutalizing him well past the point of purpose, rather than a story where Akiba is doing this as retribution against just being put in his place. Put another way, it would have reflected worse on Akiba if Adachi was trying to constructively or conservatively beat him up and he did this with that in mind.

Just because this is all but inevitable doesn't mean she didn't throw gasoline on the dumpster fire that is their relationship, adulterating a reasonably vigorous defense of Shibuya/putting in line of Akiba with her sadism while failing to endear herself to the ex-slaves such that they were more inclined to cross her with Akiba.
I mean, retaliation against retaliation doesn't make anyone justice at this point, especially when things get more and more escalated. But if u look back, things go past the point of no return the moment Akiba starts pulling out his knife to force Shibuya into "consenting" with his demands.

Things could have been better had she listened to Shibuya and did not escalate the situation further, but things would not be in that mess in the first place had he not tried to threaten her with her trauma.
 
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I see literally nobody saying Adachi isn’t fucked up in the head yet constantly read complaints about people claiming Adachi is innocent or a nonexistent Adachi defense force. I might have been getting a bit snide at this point, but the fact remains that yall are railing against imaginary things. We could be spending time talking about literally anything else in the manga but topic after topic gets sucked into dealing with an even more imaginary concept than usual.
 
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she needs to look at the mirror before say all that in the end of chapter. holy shit i still remember how adachi acted in her first intro. she tortured everyone for no reason.
 
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I mean, retaliation against retaliation doesn't make anyone justice at this point,
That's exactly my point. This is only another cycle of vengeance because neither of them can think past satisfying their urges.

But if u look back, things go past the point of no return the moment Akiba starts pulling out his knife to force Shibuya into "consenting" with his demands.
And if you look back before that, that's literally what Adachi did in her introduction. The difference between what the two of them did is that what Akiba did struck a nerve with Adachi, given her past of being forced by a captor to profess love. The "transgression" isn't that he did something awful (a kind of thing she's done), it's that he did something reminiscent of her trauma-- and to someone she considers "hers".

Shibuya wouldn't be able to appreciate that distinction, though, because she knows none of this and gets sexually assaulted either way.

I see literally nobody saying Adachi isn’t fucked up in the head
I don't know what you tell you. Between the two of us, I'm the one actually regurgitating words said in this thread in order to characterize what I'm responding to. This entire time, you've been insisting that I've been trying to respond to a point I am explicitly not addressing, without even quoting what I actually said.

I am not responding to a non-existent argument about Adachi not being mindsick, or a non-existent argument about Adachi being a moral paragon.

I am criticizing the demonstrable tendency for readers to downplay Adachi by making excuses and imaginary qualifications for her behavior while arguing that she's "not as bad as Akiba" despite her introduction and despite her actions since.
 
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You know, a lot of this would have been solved if they just did the thing in the infinite prisoner's dilemma. Just tell Akiba they'll break x bones in his body once the game is over, x being the number of times he's been a piece of shit. Or something like that. Just threaten to punish him when they're free from his control if he doesn't behave himself. As long as Akiba values his bones more than the emotional satisfaction of torturing people they'll be fine. In the end, he's always powerless in the real world. They could just bow down, do whatever he tells them to, but remind him that they'll pay him back ten times more once the shit is over.
I don't think so, I think will corner him just as much since it would stop him from getting what he wants and the anxiety of letting the game end. It would still have turned out like this as he tries to get dirt on the other players so they don't mess with him
 
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I see literally nobody saying Adachi isn’t fucked up in the head yet constantly read complaints about people claiming Adachi is innocent or a nonexistent Adachi defense force. I might have been getting a bit snide at this point, but the fact remains that yall are railing against imaginary things. We could be spending time talking about literally anything else in the manga but topic after topic gets sucked into dealing with an even more imaginary concept than usual.
Iike how people are discussing them both, esp since it feels like the highlight with this volume is surrounded around adachi and akiba and imo does a good job waving out opinions of each of them
 
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I don't think so, I think will corner him just as much since it would stop him from getting what he wants and the anxiety of letting the game end. It would still have turned out like this as he tries to get dirt on the other players so they don't mess with him
He can get dirt on them but Adachi didn't give a fuck about her dirt. He can't get an advantage on anyone else in this situation other than making fun of someone for being a siscon. As long as they don't have that much dirt in the past only Adachi is effected if she cares. He can try to stall the game but there's an easy way to fix that: set his life total to one. All the characters know he's good enough to beat anyone he sees so he can't throw the match if he'd die doing so.
 
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He can get dirt on them but Adachi didn't give a fuck about her dirt. He can't get an advantage on anyone else in this situation other than making fun of someone for being a siscon. As long as they don't have that much dirt in the past only Adachi is effected if she cares. He can try to stall the game but there's an easy way to fix that: set his life total to one. All the characters know he's good enough to beat anyone he sees so he can't throw the match if he'd die doing so.
Setting his life to 1 wouldn't be a bad idea to keel him in check I agree, but it's not like they knew he could just take control of being the player by just using the compact yk? But I love your comments they always bring up really good questions! If you join our discord I'd love to continue it on there! : )
 
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Setting his life to 1 wouldn't be a bad idea to keel him in check I agree, but it's not like they knew he could just take control of being the player by just using the compact yk? But I love your comments they always bring up really good questions! If you join our discord I'd love to continue it on there! : )
Wouldn't work. Japan has romanticized the concept of a lovers suicide, so if you cut off all other options but that he might just throw a match to get em both killed or rage quit.
I think this mostly falls under the same category of temporarily beating him into submission. Do it for a little bit to get some peace and quiet, let him get his inevitable rocks off backstabbing attempt in (preferably via showing a fake weakness for him to take advantage of and go along with) , and move onto whatever the next act of traitorous sabotage he's going to engage in. Or use it tactically when you have a reasonable suspicion you can end the game if you can find a way to ensure it surprises him.
Unfortunately at this point I think he might have learned to start reading patch notes so I wouldn't bet on it, but for a #1 player he sure has shown himself to be way too slow at reading notifications thanks to his arrogance at being top in the original game.

I suppose this means that in order to control him you basically need a game of cat and mouse to occupy his time which really just wastes time everyone's time/energy that could be spent on trying to git gud or strategize. It really feels like Akiba's just going to hit a wall of talent (again since this has happened multiple times already) because he was too busy with this crap while the people below him were improving or getting better gear.

As for Akiba standard blackmail tactics being brought up earlier, he doesn't need actual dirt. He only needs to invent dirt. You don't get around that by being squeaky clean outside of the short term where he gets frustrated by a lack of progress. You get around it by letting him think he has something to lord over you before it turns out you don't care or are pretending you care.
The fact that items can be brought in opens up some interesting possibilities for keeping Akiba in check. If you're hanging out with friends and family at the time of a match you can:
have them examine a camera
place it on your person in such a way that its impossible for you to tamper with anything
go into a match
record the match
instantly have an hour of footage from their perspective
Have people outside the game keeping Shibuya away from Akiba without revealing they know about the game since I don't think distance between player and controller matters.
Or just take some drugs while inside for unlimited highs if it's resetting items from RL back to their original form? Painkillers or performance enhancing drugs would certainly be useful during a match if they don't mess with your head.

Akiba being so trash at stalking people might also work since he can get framed for something and put in jail for a bit if you can set him up without him finding out. I suspect this route is too dangerous since it really feels like Shibuya's original family is allied with the Yakuza or something. If he tries stalking her within their eyesight he's probably going to die. The game might not let her register a new player upon his death or brings him back for games.

Come to think of it, there's all of the people she attempted to team up with that she can turn to for some help depending on their disposition. They might not want to do anything too outrageous, but they can certainly help with a few things outside the game or even do what Adachi was doing without any danger of threats from Akiba by just acting like he's spouting gibberish. They can just walk in on Akiba doing something, beat the shit out of him and send him to jail because he has nothing to threaten them with. Unfortunately Japan isn't known for punishing rape or sexual assaults (not that the west is particularly known for being anything but lenient either), so this plan may underwhelm in such an edgy setting.
 
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Eh, without Adachis pointless bullying, the ex-slaves probably wouldn't have sided with him. He might still try to throw or sabatoge the match, cause that issue wouldn't go away, but they could have kicked him out like they did anyway, or do what he did and set his life to one so he has to play properly. I know they wouldn't do that because of Shibuya but it is an option.

I do agree that akiba might have tried something like this anyway, but his chance of success would have been lower.
 

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