The Kingdoms of Ruin - Vol. 4 Ch. 19

[ZenMasters]

@Qira_Adan

Nothing's wrong with how the story unfold on the Moon. I see no issue whatsoever with the pacing, character, or the flow.
The main heroine was revived, a lot more insight about MC's character and the witches' faction, and most importantly, the Moon ultimately served it's purpose; it became the Witches' graveyard. Their "role" ends right there and then, and with it comes the main(?) antagonist. One question answered, but with it comes a whole lot more.

I've read a ton of stories, ranging far from West to East, and a wide array of genres. I know a bad story when I read one.
In this particular story however, I can't fathom the minds of the people who screams "bloody plot holes!" or "bad story-telling!", since everything checks out for me. And everytime I ask their reasoning, either they goes full braindead or complete silence. Thus, I have yet to see a "legit" argument until now.

In my opinion, this story would be best told in a novel format because inner monologues would elevate it even furthers, but so far I found no plot hole or inconsistencies.

Your turn.

 

[dumbw0ay]

@Qira_Adan I've had enough of bitchers like you. This is the 19th chapter, you had way enough time to stop reading if you find the manga to be shit. You are just reading something you don't like and complaining that it's bad in it's comment, stop being an idiot.

 

[Qira_adan]

@ZenMasters so from what you are saying the pace, pacing, character, and flow is not a problem "for you" mind elaborate the characteristic you use to say that all of that aspect was "good"? Since you said you have read so "many" books i want to have your "knowledge" then regarding this.

Because from what i read the battle is too fast and the power in battle is unbalance, plus the female who just revived using "talk and love" while almost got killed by the human.

So you saying it was the "right" thing to do by brushing off every witch and humab soldier in just so little chapter with the fight that show no balance in power? So in the end as long they are dead they served their purpose for this story? It is wrong then to think that the battle could be more rather than just like with one attack and many witches easily died? Is it wrong than to think that the battle is not exciting? Was it wrong of me to think that is bad?

So does my understanding for this story is lacking due my "incompetent" and my lack of "experience in reading many stories" or what? Give me your wisdom since what you said that you "can know" which one story is good and which one bad instead of "other" like me and everyone else.

 

[Qira_adan]

@dumbw0ay so should i silence than if i think a story is bad? So if a story is good i can say that is good, then when i think is bad i cannot say it?

And was it a good thing thing to tell someone "bitches" like that?

If you can tell me not to complain about a chapter, then i can tell the same with you to not insulting me without using "bitches" in the comment then? Or was i wrong? Or is it only applied to you to have a right to state your opinion then insult others in the comment?

 

[ZenMasters]

@Qira_adan

There are neither inconsistency nor contradiction to be found in the story so far. If there are any, then you're more than welcome to spell it out. The characters doesn't do anything out of their "character"; the main heroine for example, she's been naive and compassionate ever since her first appearance. While the MC, on the other hand, establishes his future goal, show how deep his love is for Chloe, and gives the middle finger to the Witches faction, all within a single action; reviving Doroka instead of Chloe.

The "tragedy" on the Moon was never supposed to be a "battle", it was a one-sided massacre. It was never supposed to be "balance", it was never supposed to be "exciting", nor was it supposed to be "long". It was supposed to be a gruesome, brutal, and quick massacre. The witches were caught in surprise and unprepared, while the human were fully ready armed to the teeth and out for blood. In the first place, why do you think humanity managed to almost wiped the witches out from the face of the Planet and forced them to hide all the way to the Moon? Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

It's also been said in earlier chapter that Chloe, is the Witches' last hope. THEY need the MC, not the other way around. And MC already said that he resent the Witches for banishing Chloe, which results in her getting caught in the first place. They indirectly killed her, and despite that, they still has the nerve to "use" her. Nothing's better than pitting your two enemies against each other to devour themselves, and that's exactly what he did. That one decision of his slams the final nail on the coffin for the Witches.

>"So you saying it was the "right" thing to do by brushing off every witch and humab soldier in just so little chapter with the fight that show no balance in power?"

You're saying that we need tens of chapters of talk-no-jutsu and backstories for every witches and human soldiers there?
Please tell me you're joking.

>"So in the end as long they are dead they served their purpose for this story? "

It's the other way around. As long as they served their purposed in the story, doesn't matter whether they're dead or alive.
IF the story doesn't calls for it, why write as such?

>"It is wrong then to think that the battle could be more rather than just like with one attack and many witches easily died? Is it wrong than to think that the battle is not exciting? Was it wrong of me to think that is bad?"

No, no, and no. All three of the above questions are subjective. If you still persist on your opinion, then let's try to change the perspective on the subject, shall we? If you can make it "right", how would you do it? How would you write it so that the battle could worth more? How would you write it so that it's exciting? How would you write it in a way that it's "not bad"?
If you could ask those questions, then you should know the answer to the questions I gave you.

>"So does my understanding for this story is lacking due my "incompetent" and my lack of "experience in reading many stories" or what?"

Yeah, you do severely lack insight and reading comprehension. From what I read in your comment, your reasoning to say that the story-writing is a mess are asinine. Please do not take this as an insult and instead use it to better yourself.

(Edited for typo and spacing error)

 

[Qira_adan]

@ZenMasters first thing first i would say thank you really for your reply. From your explanation now i know the reason of that massacre with a better understanding.

Well the biggest miss from my understanding before is that i did not think about MC "purpose" of clashing "human and witch" each other into that massacre.

And well since the purpose of that battle is to clashing both sides, yes you were right then about not having to much chapter is a "good" things since what author needs to do is "wiped out" all of them.

For the balance of the power in the moon, well yeah surely human had an upper hand since they have "technology" that manage to "drove away" witches from earth into the moon. Well with that reasoning it was right that the power in for both side is unbalance. And since human also comes with a "special trained soldier" battling mixed type of witches, that could also be the reason for the one sided battle.

But i just still can't help to see that the witches are too weak in that battle. And from this reason is why i think that this battle could be more proper if the witches can put more fight.

Either way, i am getting all of your point from before and now i can see this manga in a different view.

Would you suggest to me some of the manga that you already read that has similar theme to this? In term of massacre and gruesome battle. I am still thinking the idea and art of this manga is fascinating, and i would want to see how other author execute story with this kind of theme.

 

[ZenMasters]

@Qira_adan

Thank you, I'm glad we can have a civil conversation.

Yeah, the Witches looks weak and helpless, the author could've done more in that aspect. That, I agree.

Well, for manga recommendation that has massacre and gruesome battle, there are several that I could think of, like:
-Akame ga Kill
-All You Need Is Kill
-Berserk
-Fire Punch
-Chainsaw Man
-Goblin Slayer
-Kingdom
-Vagabond

There are many others, but you have to forgive me since I have shit memory. You can browse through my MDlist if you want, though.

To be honest, meeting a decent person that is open-minded and has the courage to admit their mistake has become a rarity not only on the Internet, but also on the real World nowadays. You keep those traits up and eventually you'll succeed in life.

Anyway, it is nice to have this conversation. Have a good day, man.

 

[dumbw0ay]

@Qira_adan
I'm just so fucking tired to see comments like this. If you think the story is bad then why the fuck do you keep reading it and keep complaining about it in the comments? You realize this is the 19th chapter of a monthly manga? Also you're not just complaining about "just a chapter" you're complaining about the whole manga. And it's funny you claim that I have a selfish opinion when you're the one butthurt by the fact that 250 000 people bought the manga, and that others people have a different opinion than yours on it.

 

[TimeVolt]

I had a sneaking suspicion these were friendly rogues, glad to see I was correct, but now i'm wondering why they all died at the same time. I'm guessing foul play, but perhaps not full on poisoning.

 

[TheProtectorOfPureHeartedGirls]

That damn misunderstanding.
If author even laid a hand on her chastity, I would remove them from their very existence.

 

[pandascepter]

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