The Person Sitting Next to Me Looking at Me with Perverted Eyes (Pre-Serialization) - Ch. 9

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I know it's meant to be entertaining and to bring them closer but I can't help but find these misunderstandings the most annoying. At least other ones actually get cleared up in the end. This one though? She still thinks he was calling her fat
This is realistic.

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This is realistic.

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Ngl, I dont really like their dynamic. It's too one-sided. She gets away with being ultra-pervy, touching him etc, but he is still the one who gets blasted and forced to apologize (for calling her sexy). The drawings are nice, they are attractive and all, but this dynamic kinda frustrates me.

Well they are still high schoolers. Based on his sister analogy he never even thought to say "sorry". He's used to actions of goodwill to redeem himself with. A pretty honorable trait, but sometimes the issue isn't that deep and you just need words.

As for her getting away with it... Well, based on ch. 3 he's also into it in a tsundere kind of way. So it's not really as simple as "he should report her". Probably another situation where talking about boundaries is important, but sometimes tells me he doesn't even know his own boundaries. Good ol' puberty
 
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Ngl, I dont really like their dynamic. It's too one-sided. She gets away with being ultra-pervy, touching him etc, but he is still the one who gets blasted and forced to apologize (for calling her sexy). The drawings are nice, they are attractive and all, but this dynamic kinda frustrates me.
I know it's meant to be entertaining and to bring them closer but I can't help but find these misunderstandings the most annoying. At least other ones actually get cleared up in the end. This one though? She still thinks he was calling her fat
This is realistic.

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Well they are still high schoolers. Based on his sister analogy he never even thought to say "sorry". He's used to actions of goodwill to redeem himself with. A pretty honorable trait, but sometimes the issue isn't that deep and you just need words.

As for her getting away with it... Well, based on ch. 3 he's also into it in a tsundere kind of way. So it's not really as simple as "he should report her". Probably another situation where talking about boundaries is important, but sometimes tells me he doesn't even know his own boundaries. Good ol' puberty
It's not just them being high schoolers. The whole story and the people around them framed it in a way that made him out to be an idiot who needed to apologize. Regardless, their dynamic is set by the story, not the fact that they are high schoolers. There are so many other manga where things are far more balanced between the ML and the FL.

By "get away with it" I mean that there is no way for her to get any consequences that the male perv in manga usually would. He cant scold her or punch her, right? The people around them arent gonna give her dirty looks and call her "the worst" for it either. I dont mean that he needs to go and report her to the authorities, but rather that she can "dish it out" but there is nothing that he can "dish out in return." His personality is that of a flustered maiden, but he doesnt have any of the social protections of a real maiden, just the same suspicion that a normal dude gets.
 
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Wow, there's some shit going down in the comments for some reason. Manga readers be normal, well-adjusted people challenge (impossible).

Anyways, Ikezawa is an idiot, Sensei is the ultimate wingman, and these two need to fuck already.
 
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The whole story and the people around them framed it in a way that made him out to be an idiot who needed to apologize.
Yeah, sounds like real life. All they see is a hurt girl and a dude who wronger her. Women don't often get in "the dog house" so to speak.

their dynamic is set by the story, not the fact that they are high schoolers.
if you want to be pedantic, it's set by their age and (lack of) experience. Which is derivedf from being high schoolers. Sure, they can maturely reason out everything, have foresight into their problems and properly apologize, but that sure isn't how my 15-16YO experience was. I was cringe AF (and still wold be for ~5 more years or so), so it lines up with the normal experience.

His personality is that of a flustered maiden, but he doesnt have any of the social protections of a real maiden, just the same suspicion that a normal dude gets.

It is indeed a double standard. But I imagine that is the exact draw of the manga to people. We know exactly what tags this manga would have if the roles were reversed, and how people would treat Eguchi as a male lead. The reversal is wish furfillment, either for men who want to be dominated by a more aggressive woman, or women/non-dominate people who want to see the traditionally dominant gender get their just desserts.

It's gone in the background these past few chapters, but the first chapters portray Ikezawa as a more typical womanizer. He wasn't meant to simply be some shy guy in the corner that is getting picked on like Tagaki/Nagataro's male leads.
 
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I've said it before, and this chapter cemented what I said: this dude is fucking retarded, so stupid it's irritating me
 
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Yeah, sounds like real life. All they see is a hurt girl and a dude who wronger her. Women don't often get in "the dog house" so to speak.


if you want to be pedantic, it's set by their age and (lack of) experience. Which is derivedf from being high schoolers. Sure, they can maturely reason out everything, have foresight into their problems and properly apologize, but that sure isn't how my 15-16YO experience was. I was cringe AF (and still wold be for ~5 more years or so), so it lines up with the normal experience.



It is indeed a double standard. But I imagine that is the exact draw of the manga to people. We know exactly what tags this manga would have if the roles were reversed, and how people would treat Eguchi as a male lead. The reversal is wish furfillment, either for men who want to be dominated by a more aggressive woman, or women/non-dominate people who want to see the traditionally dominant gender get their just desserts.

It's gone in the background these past few chapters, but the first chapters portray Ikezawa as a more typical womanizer. He wasn't meant to simply be some shy guy in the corner that is getting picked on like Tagaki/Nagataro's male leads.

I guess it just frustrates me that this is basically just some dysfunctional femdom wish-fulfillment. There is no role reversal here, because the opposite would NOT be maledom.

We know exactly what tags this manga would have if the roles were reversed, and how people would treat Eguchi as a male lead.

What tags, exactly? Surely you're not saying that the opposite scenario would involve the guy dominating the girl or something?

I fail to see how this is in any way a role reversal when the roles largely remain the same, except that the girl simply gets to take advantage of the double standard even more, by overstepping boundaries, something that the guy would have been punished for in any other story.

Yes, I agree that there is a lot of unreasonable female behavior that has been completely normalized irl. And that there are massive double standards like the one shown in this series here. But that doesnt mean that all relationships are like that. I personally fail to see the appeal of having these irl double standards repeated in a fictional romance story that's meant for enjoyment. If it is femdom that someone wants (and I can understand the appeal), you'd want even MORE balance and reasonable behavior from the "domme," wouldnt you? Not some BPD girl that will suddenly ignore your consent and boundaries because she feels like it.

I honestly have even higher standards for BDSM manga. Nana to Kaoru was great because Kaoru was extremely conscious of Nana's boundaries and respected her a lot. In contrast, I couldnt stand Tsumi to Kai because it was built on blackmail femdom and the girl was creepily sadistic, overstepping every boundary imaginable and not only hurting the guy, but also putting him in active danger, all while threatening to ruin his life. I can understand that in porn or in a hentai manga, where an isolated "scene" is being shown, but not in a long form romance. That just makes it seem disgusting to me. Am I supposed to immerse myself in these characters and understand their romance? Genuine abuse is very hard to enjoy in a long form story imo.

Coincidentally, Nana to Kaoru is maledom and Tsumi to Kai is femdom, so perhaps there is a difference in how these two genres as written. Maledom romance (at least Nana to Kaoru) has in my experience been sweet and tackles the subject matter of safe BDSM well. Femdom romance (like Tsumi to Kai) has in my experience always been unhinged and extreme, with complete disregard of safe and consensual BDSM. It may even be yet another reflection of the double standards between the sexes lmao. Or maybe it's the difference between shoujo/josei and shonen/seinen (because I think Nana to Kaoru is seinen while Tsumi to Kai is josei?).

Sorry for the BDSM tangent, but you got me thinking about that in your comment.

IDK man, this just doesnt scratch my itch for vanilla romance, nor any kind of kinky romance. Maybe it's just me, but I dont enjoy double standards and one-sided relationship dynamics in my romance.
 
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I guess it just frustrates me that this is basically just some dysfunctional femdom wish-fulfillment. There is no role reversal here, because the opposite would NOT be maledom.



What tags, exactly? Surely you're not saying that the opposite scenario would involve the guy dominating the girl or something?

I fail to see how this is in any way a role reversal when the roles largely remain the same, except that the girl simply gets to take advantage of the double standard even more, by overstepping boundaries, something that the guy would have been punished for in any other story.

Yes, I agree that there is a lot of unreasonable female behavior that has been completely normalized irl. And that there are massive double standards like the one shown in this series here. But that doesnt mean that all relationships are like that. I personally fail to see the appeal of having these irl double standards repeated in a fictional romance story that's meant for enjoyment. If it is femdom that someone wants (and I can understand the appeal), you'd want even MORE balance and reasonable behavior from the "domme," wouldnt you? Not some BPD girl that will suddenly ignore your consent and boundaries because she feels like it.

I honestly have even higher standards for BDSM manga. Nana to Kaoru was great because Kaoru was extremely conscious of Nana's boundaries and respected her a lot. In contrast, I couldnt stand Tsumi to Kai because it was built on blackmail femdom and the girl was creepily sadistic, overstepping every boundary imaginable and not only hurting the guy, but also putting him in active danger, all while threatening to ruin his life. I can understand that in porn or in a hentai manga, where an isolated "scene" is being shown, but not in a long form romance. That just makes it seem disgusting to me. Am I supposed to immerse myself in these characters and understand their romance? Genuine abuse is very hard to enjoy in a long form story imo.

Coincidentally, Nana to Kaoru is maledom and Tsumi to Kai is femdom, so perhaps there is a difference in how these two genres as written. Maledom romance (at least Nana to Kaoru) has in my experience been sweet and tackles the subject matter of safe BDSM well. Femdom romance (like Tsumi to Kai) has in my experience always been unhinged and extreme, with complete disregard of safe and consensual BDSM. It may even be yet another reflection of the double standards between the sexes lmao. Or maybe it's the difference between shoujo/josei and shonen/seinen (because I think Nana to Kaoru is seinen while Tsumi to Kai is josei?).

Sorry for the BDSM tangent, but you got me thinking about that in your comment.

IDK man, this just doesnt scratch my itch for vanilla romance, nor any kind of kinky romance. Maybe it's just me, but I dont enjoy double standards and one-sided relationship dynamics in my romance.
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