The Skeleton Soldier Failed to Defend the Dungeon - Vol. 1 Ch. 7
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See? Heart of gold, that one.
The tropes are real, people.
It's actually not a bad deal, all things considered. She brings her targets to the dungeon, he kills them. She gains rank in theDark Brotherhood Guild, he gains experience (assumingly). There's really nothing to lose outside of a target being too strong/cunning to handle.
The tropes are real, people.
It's actually not a bad deal, all things considered. She brings her targets to the dungeon, he kills them. She gains rank in the
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So he’ll spare people of dubious character even if they are likely to bring more people back to kill him, but he’ll help an assassin murder folks, presumably inluding plenty of good poeple? His sense of morality is so confusingly inconsistent.
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@DarkLordAlfie he wasn't going to let them leave because of his morality, it was just that he didn't bother to kill them
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@DarkLordAlfie if you came looking for a Japanese beta MC who can't even kill people who want to kill him without crying and having a breakdown about the guilt and loss of life then I suggest you look elsewhere. First of all this is not a Japanese manga so completely forget about an overly compassionate and pussy MC, and second of all he was a skeleton since the beginning and has had his share of killing and being killed by humans so I don't think he'd care too much about morals and the life of those unassociated with him.
Also why would he bother to care if she bring more people with her to kill him if he can have another go at life and rewrite his mistake in letting the other girl die? Plus I'd imagine it'd be really hard to kill him seeing how strong he must be to kill that giant skelly from before.
Also why would he bother to care if she bring more people with her to kill him if he can have another go at life and rewrite his mistake in letting the other girl die? Plus I'd imagine it'd be really hard to kill him seeing how strong he must be to kill that giant skelly from before.
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....Oh yeah
We NEVER saw the content of Rubia's scenario (which is S -rank, where as Rena here is B)
Considering there's a scenario after this, I'm guessing this'll go either.
1. She betrays him.
1.a On her own will - She rises up enough in position that she think 'it's time to tie my loose ends' , like say she's an assistant branch manager (which means the next scenario doesn't trigger yet)
1.b Forced into a choice, she chose to betray - Same thing as above, assistant manager position obtained, but the branch manager then decide to go with her into the dungeon, run into Skelly Bro, and between trying to silence the branch manager or act like she doesn't know skelly, she chose betrayal.
2. He succeeds, which will mainly be to show us the readers how these scenarios work.
Given the 3rd warning point that she can betray regardless of how close they get, she might betray him during the next scenario, "assistant of the shadow"
That said, I get a feeling Rubia's scenario will end up being key (or one of the keys) to ensuring Succubus's safety.
Like, say, by making Rubia the lord of the town, he's able to have her stamp down on those crusaders' corrupted religion
We NEVER saw the content of Rubia's scenario (which is S -rank, where as Rena here is B)
Considering there's a scenario after this, I'm guessing this'll go either.
1. She betrays him.
1.a On her own will - She rises up enough in position that she think 'it's time to tie my loose ends' , like say she's an assistant branch manager (which means the next scenario doesn't trigger yet)
1.b Forced into a choice, she chose to betray - Same thing as above, assistant manager position obtained, but the branch manager then decide to go with her into the dungeon, run into Skelly Bro, and between trying to silence the branch manager or act like she doesn't know skelly, she chose betrayal.
2. He succeeds, which will mainly be to show us the readers how these scenarios work.
Given the 3rd warning point that she can betray regardless of how close they get, she might betray him during the next scenario, "assistant of the shadow"
That said, I get a feeling Rubia's scenario will end up being key (or one of the keys) to ensuring Succubus's safety.
Like, say, by making Rubia the lord of the town, he's able to have her stamp down on those crusaders' corrupted religion
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@GurenNoOu:
There is a really big gap between "having no compunctions against killing," and the sheltered soul you just described. A gap so big, in fact, that almost all of humanity throughout history fits in it... >.>;;
@jokerxhisoka:
Personally, I'd have said one of the problems with this series so far is that we don't really understand his morals and motives. It's mostly show-don't-tell as far as his emotions, or possible lack thereof, go. But right now it's not really doing a great job of showing, either. His motives are too open to interpretation, without any solid evidence as to how he feels, or doesn't feel.
Did he not strike first because it's trouble, or because he feels empathy? Did he protect his summoner because he cared about her, or because he felt loyalty to his summoner? Does he have the same emotions as a human, or are they a little stilted on account of the living-dead thing? None of this has been conclusively clear to me so far, and the hints have seemed contradictory.
There is a really big gap between "having no compunctions against killing," and the sheltered soul you just described. A gap so big, in fact, that almost all of humanity throughout history fits in it... >.>;;
@jokerxhisoka:
Personally, I'd have said one of the problems with this series so far is that we don't really understand his morals and motives. It's mostly show-don't-tell as far as his emotions, or possible lack thereof, go. But right now it's not really doing a great job of showing, either. His motives are too open to interpretation, without any solid evidence as to how he feels, or doesn't feel.
Did he not strike first because it's trouble, or because he feels empathy? Did he protect his summoner because he cared about her, or because he felt loyalty to his summoner? Does he have the same emotions as a human, or are they a little stilted on account of the living-dead thing? None of this has been conclusively clear to me so far, and the hints have seemed contradictory.
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You've mixed up the definition of morals, that's a big part of why it seems to be so inconsistent. People tend to extend the definition of morals to include a lot of unrelated things like ethics. Nothing that's happened was made to make a judgement call on his morals. So far, it looks like it's all a matter of what would help him achieve his goal of protecting his mistress. Even the first girl he protected using the reasoning that if he couldn't protect her, he couldn't protect his mistress. In this, his concern over the thief girl killing other humans is rooted in the notion that she's just as likely to betray him as she did them. As for letting them go, he only fought in the first place because they interfered with his training to better protect his mistress. If they aren't in his way, he lets them go.
tl;dr
He has yet to consider the notion of right and wrong. All his decisions revolve around his mistress in some way.
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It's a little more than that. He gets the training from the guys she brings to kill along with information about an organization he intends to fight.
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@DarkLordAlfie
You've mixed up the definition of morals, that's a big part of why it seems to be so inconsistent. People tend to extend the definition of morals to include a lot of unrelated things like ethics. Nothing that's happened was made to make a judgement call on his morals. So far, it looks like it's all a matter of what would help him achieve his goal of protecting his mistress. Even the first girl he protected using the reasoning that if he couldn't protect her, he couldn't protect his mistress. In this, his concern over the thief girl killing other humans is rooted in the notion that she's just as likely to betray him as she did them. As for letting them go, he only fought in the first place because they interfered with his training to better protect his mistress. If they aren't in his way, he lets them go.
tl;dr
He has yet to consider the notion of right and wrong. All his decisions revolve around his mistress in some way.
@Vasqueztion
It's a little more than that. He gets the training from the guys she brings to kill along with information about an organization he intends to fight.
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@Meridis:
I don't believe I misused the word 'morals', though...? Or were you not addressing that at me?
"Everything I do is for my One True Master" is a possible explanation for a lot of his actions, although not quite all of them. And if that's how it's supposed to be, I feel the author is doing a pretty bad job of actually showing that single-mindedness.
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I'm just going to say, if he's really an emotionless husk, some of his actions are kind of weird. (And, also, he's not an emotionless husk, other of his actions are kind of weird.)
We know there are some human things about him because we know he not only speaks like, but also more or less thinks like a human. It's not like we're attributing the possibility of human thought to him out of nowhere.
I'm all for fiction of a more speculative sort that addresses human-like things that don't actually think like humans (like a lot of speculative fiction involving androids or intelligeny aliens) but so far it feels more like lazy writing, than any sort of exploration of an "otherly" being to me.
I don't believe I misused the word 'morals', though...? Or were you not addressing that at me?
"Everything I do is for my One True Master" is a possible explanation for a lot of his actions, although not quite all of them. And if that's how it's supposed to be, I feel the author is doing a pretty bad job of actually showing that single-mindedness.
@relic626:
I'm just going to say, if he's really an emotionless husk, some of his actions are kind of weird. (And, also, he's not an emotionless husk, other of his actions are kind of weird.)
We know there are some human things about him because we know he not only speaks like, but also more or less thinks like a human. It's not like we're attributing the possibility of human thought to him out of nowhere.
I'm all for fiction of a more speculative sort that addresses human-like things that don't actually think like humans (like a lot of speculative fiction involving androids or intelligeny aliens) but so far it feels more like lazy writing, than any sort of exploration of an "otherly" being to me.
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Starting to get some Ainz Ooal Gown x Clementine vibes from this development...you know, a short-haired blond stabby-stabby assassin girl meets a black-armored OP skeleton, being effortlessly lifted up off her feet.
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@Pokari
Didn't mean he's emotionless, just trying to get the point across that he's not human so there shouldn't be a reason for him to retain those aspects.
From what I've seen all his actions are sole based on what he needs to do in order to protect his mistress.
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Yea I can see that similarity, though this girl lived >.<
Didn't mean he's emotionless, just trying to get the point across that he's not human so there shouldn't be a reason for him to retain those aspects.
From what I've seen all his actions are sole based on what he needs to do in order to protect his mistress.
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Yea I can see that similarity, though this girl lived >.<
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you didn't say that no, but you did bring up questions about his feelings and empathy after wondering about his morals and motives. What I said I felt was relevant to all three of your concerns. It's that morals only refers to your personal paradigms/ideas about right and wrong specifically. He never brought it up so you could say he doesn't actually have morals yet, and that's ok. Morals makes up a much smaller part of a persons character than one would think. I think it would be easier to understand him if you don't look for his morals and just focus on his motivations and how he acts on them.
As for his single-mindedness, I don't think it's badly shown. I think it's also something commonly misunderstood. Basically, he's single-minded but that doesn't mean he's simple-minded. He has a singular goal he's working towards but he's intelligent enough to reason about how to accomplish it in more complicated ways. If it comes down to it, it might be easier to understand if we say he's 'obsessed' rather than 'single-minded' as an obsessed person can and will make long-term, amoral(not considering if it is good or bad) plans and efforts.
you didn't say that no, but you did bring up questions about his feelings and empathy after wondering about his morals and motives. What I said I felt was relevant to all three of your concerns. It's that morals only refers to your personal paradigms/ideas about right and wrong specifically. He never brought it up so you could say he doesn't actually have morals yet, and that's ok. Morals makes up a much smaller part of a persons character than one would think. I think it would be easier to understand him if you don't look for his morals and just focus on his motivations and how he acts on them.
As for his single-mindedness, I don't think it's badly shown. I think it's also something commonly misunderstood. Basically, he's single-minded but that doesn't mean he's simple-minded. He has a singular goal he's working towards but he's intelligent enough to reason about how to accomplish it in more complicated ways. If it comes down to it, it might be easier to understand if we say he's 'obsessed' rather than 'single-minded' as an obsessed person can and will make long-term, amoral(not considering if it is good or bad) plans and efforts.
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