Tobioriyou to Shiteiru Joshikousei wo Tasuketara Dou Naru no Ka? - Vol. 3 Ch. 16 - Sacrifices and Reparations.

[Follarin-kun]

oh boy oh fuck oh boy oh fuck


I hope there's a display of extreme violence towards scumcoach next issue

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Seeking mental help?

In Japan? Good luck with that.

You can't even talk about desiring to seek mental help in Japan without being socially shunned for being a "crazy person"

Try basically everywhere else, you going to a consultant undermines you for not being able to handle yourself.

Anyway, Hatsushiro already picked up generational trauma, let's see how it will play out...

 

[eviljackspicer]

KO him to prove than you are stronger than him and has what it takes to protect your waifu, boy!

Other guests waiting to see the coach:

Classic movie moment LMAO

 

[Mr_Detective]

Try basically everywhere else, you going to a consultant undermines you for not being able to handle yourself.

Anyway, Hatsushiro already picked up generational trauma, let's see how it will play out...

I know Japan has a not-so-good reputation with mental help, but nowadays, there should be at least a few places that can offer her help. It seems she didn't even consider reaching out to anyone or anywhere, or if she even knew she was supposed to do that...

And I also doubt seeking help regarding a trauma like that is going to make people shun her, like that guy said. Unless she's surrounded by d-bags.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

I know Japan has a not-so-good reputation with mental help, but nowadays, there should be at least a few places that can offer her help. It seems she didn't even consider reaching out to anyone or anywhere, or if she even knew she was supposed to do that...

And I also doubt seeking help regarding a trauma like that is going to make people shun her, like that guy said. Unless she's surrounded by d-bags.

Meant dad going for evaluation after the loss of a wife and sport injury, which transferred to daughter abuse with depression with low self esteem, that may as well harm another generation, etc, etc.

Check Bojack Horseman, good example of generational trauma.

 

[Ashandai]

All these ppl commenting "Beat his ass!!" and stuff... lmao. Mc is clearly exhausted, the dad would wax the floor with him. He needs to snap a photo and, if he can, remove the girl from the situation.
Unless homeboy's got a weapon - which is unusual in these kinds of manga.

 

[Kaarme]

MC is a high school kid and the father is a teacher from the same school. If the old man beats up a kid from his own school, he's finished. So, I don't think Yuuki needs to be that worried about his own legal situation. His primary concern should be to get Kotori out of there. Just take her to a hospital and have the cops take a record of her wounds. As famously incompetent as the Japanese police is, even they can probably figure it out, with a little bit of help if necessary.

 

[Maxoball]

 

[Oeconomist]

All these ppl commenting "Beat his ass!!" and stuff... lmao. Mc is clearly exhausted,

That's one of the reasons that I insisted that the MC use the element of surprise and drive his thumbs into the eyes of the perpetrator as hard as possible.

He needs to snap a photo and, if he can, remove the girl from the situation.

You're fallaciously assuming that the MC knows what the reader knows, and can infer a limit to how badly the father will beat the daughter if she is not removed. You're also suggesting that the exhausted MC might be able to fight-off the father enough to carry about 100 pounds out of the house. Ha ha.

 

[Ashandai]

That's one of the reasons that I insisted that the MC use the element of surprise and drive his thumbs into the eyes of the perpetrator as hard as possible.

You're fallaciously assuming that the MC knows what the reader knows, and can infer a limit to how badly the father will beat the daughter if she is not removed. You're also suggesting that the exhausted MC might be able to fight-off the father enough to carry about 100 pounds out of the house. Ha ha.

Mad or nah?

 

[Oeconomist]

Mad or nah?

Nah. Just wanted to point to the lack of thought both in your objection and in your offered alternative.

 

[henman]

Well, that was full chapter of ultraviolence.
But wait, I hear boss music starting to play

To the thumbs-into-eyes, grenade-into-mouth angry mob: gentlemen, that'd be but an immediate satisfaction. You all will have a foul aftertaste later. I believe, author will do better than this

 

[userlook]

Mc should be the one jumping the bridge, what a fucking dumbass

 

[comeonnow0]

This is over the top bad. I'm the span of one chapter, we get Hatsushiro's out of nowhere flashback of why she's the way she is and why her father is the way he is. Like, what? This is bad story telling.

It feels like the author just escalated everything for the pure sake of drama. Could've had school bullying, for example. Could've kept the father as abusive but not try to pack it all in one single chapter because that looks rushed as hell, for example.

This is rushed and forced.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

This is over the top bad. I'm the span of one chapter, we get Hatsushiro's out of nowhere flashback of why she's the way she is and why her father is the way he is. Like, what? This is bad story telling.

It feels like the author just escalated everything for the pure sake of drama. Could've had school bullying, for example. Could've kept the father as abusive but not try to pack it all in one single chapter because that looks rushed as hell, for example.

This is rushed and forced.

It's not like he actually asked her for details, it's his chool friend that was more persuasive due to both being girls.
They were living day-to-day, days can turn to months if you're just doing dialy routine and chill out with so.

Father weren't at hand all the time and mc avoided him from the start, but his persistent nature was a hint...

 

[comeonnow0]

It's not like he actually asked her for details, it's his chool friend that was more persuasive due to both being girls.
They were living day-to-day, days can turn to months if you're just doing dialy routine and chill out with so.

Father weren't at hand all the time and mc avoided him from the start, but his persistent nature was a hint...

Yes, it was living day-to-day. That's why this sudden escalation looks like it was done purely for the sake of drama and not because it makes a good story.

I gave examples of other ways the author could've done it. The author could've even just made the flashback span two or so chapters to make it not feel rushed.

Let me put it a different way. This is Hataushiro's flashback...completely in her thoughts. NOWHERE is she saying any of this out loud. The author could've revealed some flashbacks of her thoughts in earlier chapters. Do it gradually. The author would still be able to keep the identity of the father and him being the abuser hidden if the author just made it a little bit vague.

Instead, chose now, of all times, for Hatsushiro to share her thoughts with the reader. She was almost definitely thinking ALL of these things before. But the author went for cheap drama.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Yes, it was living day-to-day. That's why this sudden escalation looks like it was done purely for the sake of drama and not because it makes a good story.

I gave examples of other ways the author could've done it. The author could've even just made the flashback span two or so chapters to make it not feel rushed.

Let me put it a different way. This is Hataushiro's flashback...completely in her thoughts. NOWHERE is she saying any of this out loud. The author could've revealed some flashbacks of her thoughts in earlier chapters. Do it gradually. The author would still be able to keep the identity of the father and him being the abuser hidden if the author just made it a little bit vague.

Instead, chose now, of all times, for Hatsushiro to share her thoughts with the reader. She was almost definitely thinking ALL of these things before. But the author went for cheap drama.

They were chilling, no flashbacks were presented because they lived a careless moments, moments that didn't trigger painful memories... BUT you're right in some degree.

The moment while they were on a date and those dudes tried to pick her up could be a good to slip in a flashback of something attacking her, but that's pretty much it, she didn't had any "triggering" thoughts all the time.

 

[comeonnow0]

They were chilling, no flashbacks were presented because they lived a careless moments, moments that didn't trigger painful memories... BUT you're right in some degree.

The moment while they were on a date and those dudes tried to pick her up could be a good to slip in a flashback of something attacking her, but that's pretty much it, she didn't had any "triggering" thoughts all the time.

Fair enough in your points. I think there were a few other parts. One that stands out to me is when she talks about baseball with Yuuki. She could've compared her own experiences with her father to what he was saying at the time, and, in my opinion, it is almost guaranteed that is what she was thinking. "Wasn't that... Tough?" she asked, talking about the training his father put Yuuki through (chapter 10).

Like, I get what you're saying. These were chill moments. But she was generally quiet and would probably have thought about some of these things during the time she lived with him.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Fair enough in your points. I think there were a few other parts. One that stands out to me is when she talks about baseball with Yuuki. She could've compared her own experiences with her father to what he was saying at the time, and, in my opinion, it is almost guaranteed that is what she was thinking. "Wasn't that... Tough?" she asked, talking about the training his father put Yuuki through (chapter 10).

Like, I get what you're saying. These were chill moments. But she was generally quiet and would probably have thought about some of these things during the time she lived with him.

Was just going to add that one more moment where there should be a flashback or some kind of traumatic PTSD shock, but it ended like you mentioned.

Believe me though, spent 9 years by a side of a very dear person who suffered from haphephobia due to unrevealed reasons, albeit tried personally and through professional advisory, nothing got out with 100% certainty nor a hint of a clue of a true reason.
It was a blissful day-to-day, no worries, no stressful situations, just enjoying life and it's all aspects. Even if something might have came up, being close to someone close would probably heal it right away as nothing happened.

Anyway, it's just my unprofessional experience...