Tokubetsu na Chuutohanpa - Ch. 47 - Whether man or woman.

[MangaDex]

 

[Hckgawi]

Ahhhhh this series gets too real at times.... the struggles of teen love

 

[kuf]

these two...

 

[LeBronBron]

Man... will they ever find happiness?

 

[Lonbomb]

Expert fumbling on display once again

 

[KitRagnell]

I just want them to be happy...

 

[Poincare]

Vamooooo

 

[Colorsparks]

Honestly it's not that it's completely not understandable but Misono just comes across as rancid during all this.

She hangs out with people and makes Asuna jealous, and actively denied their relationship to someone. This is written as okay since Asuna should learn that she doesn't need to worry about Misono cheating on her. When Misono hangs out with a guy and makes Asuna jealous she implies it's Asuna's fault, when Asuna brings up how hurt she is Misono said they were just friends it's just immediately dismissed, so when Asuna is like "I mean we're only pretending we're not dating because you want to maintain your social life so why don't I just let people think me and haywhoever are dating. Misono then strikes her then says this entire argument is because Asuna keeps forgetting that as two girls they can't act like a straight couple and should spend time apart.

Like I get teenagers are impulsive, hormonal, prone to saying and doing stupid things, but like why does it always feel like the problem is Misono? Is it just reader bias since Asuna is the MC? Am I crazy?

Quick edit I know Asuna said the whole "I'm doing this for you" think condescendingly but even then it's hard to feel it's not a little justified considering their history

 

[zazakmazak]

Is there even a way in fiction to do the temporary breakup and not be kinda annoying to watch it? (for a lovey-dovey couple)


I suppose it being forshadowed and not outta nowhere is the first step, but I think this clears that, another thing is not being due to a misunderstanding that could be solved by talking more... oh well

 

[SrNevik]

Honestly it's not that it's completely not understandable but Misono just comes across as rancid during all this.

She hangs out with people and makes Asuna jealous, and actively denied their relationship to someone. This is written as okay since Asuna should learn that she doesn't need to worry about Misono cheating on her. When Misono hangs out with a guy and makes Asuna jealous she implies it's Asuna's fault, when Asuna brings up how hurt she is Misono said they were just friends it's just immediately dismissed, so when Asuna is like "I mean we're only pretending we're not dating because you want to maintain your social life so why don't I just let people think me and haywhoever are dating. Misono then strikes her then says this entire argument is because Asuna keeps forgetting that as two girls they can't act like a straight couple and should spend time apart.

Like I get teenagers are impulsive, hormonal, prone to saying and doing stupid things, but like why does it always feel like the problem is Misono? Is it just reader bias since Asuna is the MC? Am I crazy?

Quick edit I know Asuna said the whole "I'm doing this for you" think condescendingly but even then it's hard to feel it's not a little justified considering their history

The problem seems squarely with Asuna. I've not had much issue with what Misono has done except the slap. The situations with boys between them are also not nearly equal. Asuna was upset about hearing that Misono had people confess to her in the past.

Here Asuna, who was upset at the thought of a confession, is now hanging out with a guy who likes her and confessed to her more than once. She's also OK with rumors about her actively dating him, even suggesting that it would easier to date a boy...to her girlfriends face. That's not the same as hearing about past confessions that Misono turned down.

In my opinion, Misono has been very relaxed and normal about this whole thing and most issues have stemmed from Asuna's making assumptions, acting on those assumptions and worst of all, keeping those assumptions to herself.

Misono just seems hurt and tired of all the unnecessary anxiety and many of us would make the same decision. Everytime there's been an issue Misono has listened and tried to give Asuna the chance to speak (like in this very chapter), yet Asuna continues to keep things to herself.

 

[Orenji-kun]

Honestly it's not that it's completely not understandable but Misono just comes across as rancid during all this.

She hangs out with people and makes Asuna jealous, and actively denied their relationship to someone. This is written as okay since Asuna should learn that she doesn't need to worry about Misono cheating on her. When Misono hangs out with a guy and makes Asuna jealous she implies it's Asuna's fault, when Asuna brings up how hurt she is Misono said they were just friends it's just immediately dismissed, so when Asuna is like "I mean we're only pretending we're not dating because you want to maintain your social life so why don't I just let people think me and haywhoever are dating. Misono then strikes her then says this entire argument is because Asuna keeps forgetting that as two girls they can't act like a straight couple and should spend time apart.

Like I get teenagers are impulsive, hormonal, prone to saying and doing stupid things, but like why does it always feel like the problem is Misono? Is it just reader bias since Asuna is the MC? Am I crazy?

Quick edit I know Asuna said the whole "I'm doing this for you" think condescendingly but even then it's hard to feel it's not a little justified considering their history

It always feels like the problem is Misono because it started with Misono having a boyfriend she didn't want just to keep up appearances and refusing to commit to Asuna out of fear and thus hurting her deeply. Their relationship has improved since then, but the core issue is still there and Misono hasn't fully made amends. It's why even tho they're both hurting each other with relatively small jabs, Misono's jabs feel worse; they're picking at open wounds.

They both need to stop trying to ignore the issue of how how they present themselves to others and how they are perceived or they would be perceived if they came out and to make a real commitment to each other. They need to commit to coming out together when they are adults and thus can move to a community that accepts them, whether they try coming out to the friends and family they have now first or they just move to an accepting community in Japan or abroad first without telling their family. It'd be best if Misono suggested it given their past and how Asuna has kinda resigned herself to their current situation, but if Asuna suggested it and Misono agreed, it'd still do wonders for their relationship just with the sense of hope for the relationship alone.

 

[Colorsparks]

I hear what you're saying but I think that's neglecting basically the entire first half of the series where Asuna was basically toyed around with because of her feelings for Misono.

This makes it even harder for Asuna to fully believe in her and I think it's wild that Misono doesn't seem to understand that.

Edit: this was a reply to nevik something glitched

 

[FrayLethy]

Honestly I feel like the both of them are being absolutely awful to eachother.

Asuna is being hypocritical, talking about the boy like it's whatever that people think they're dating after being so jealous of Misono being confessed to. She's letting all her insecurities pour over and hurt Misono over and over and over again. Girl just needs therapy.

Misono meanwhile is being shortsighted and selfish. She says that she doesn't want this to upend her social life in highschool, at the very visible cost of her girlfriend's mental health. However, how long is this going to last? They have maybe 2 years left in highschool. What happens after that? She likely won't ever see or speak to her schoolmates ever again. Is she going to keep this act going forever? Is she going to allow societal expectations keep her locked in a closet for her entire life? Does she really expect Asuna to stay a hidden little secret until she's ready to come out, if ever?

Honestly the both of them kinda just suck

 

[drakenzon]

The problem seems squarely with Asuna. I've not had much issue with what Misono has done except the slap. The situations with boys between them are also not nearly equal. Asuna was upset about hearing that Misono had people confess to her in the past.

Here Asuna, who was upset at the thought of a confession, is now hanging out with a guy who likes her and confessed to her more than once. She's also OK with rumors about her actively dating him, even suggesting that it would easier to date a boy...to her girlfriends face. That's not the same as hearing about past confessions that Misono turned down.

In my opinion, Misono has been very relaxed and normal about this whole thing and most issues have stemmed from Asuna's making assumptions, acting on those assumptions and worst of all, keeping those assumptions to herself.

Misono just seems hurt and tired of all the unnecessary anxiety and many of us would make the same decision. Everytime there's been an issue Misono has listened and tried to give Asuna the chance to speak (like in this very chapter), yet Asuna continues to keep things to herself.

I'm getting tired of the "how hard is it to communicate" trope that a bunch of mangas seem to do lately, heck this week, five of the ones I follow it's been that. I understand that cultural differences exist, but really? Is it that hard to just sit down and you know, talk?

 

[jrocker]

In my opinion, Misono has been very relaxed and normal about this whole thing and most issues have stemmed from Asuna's making assumptions, acting on those assumptions and worst of all, keeping those assumptions to herself.

I see it a little differently. Asuna would be happiest making it clear her relationship so NOBODY gets confused or can keep misunderstanding. Misono has been very much so of the I need to hide her perspective and in public treats her like she's just a friend so people can misunderstand. The only reason for this is Misono, reasonable or not, doesn't want people to know who she really is to be "normal" (already further implying Asuna isn't).

Misono hasn't really done anything about trying to help Asuna or even really show that her fears were unfounded. She talks the talk but doesn't distance herself from the actuality and furthers supporting to Asuna because she needs to be "normal" that she can do whatever to be seen that way. Its like she is forcing Asuna to hide when guests are over.

Asuna went to far but she isn't wrong. If she was with a guy then most of these concerns/worries/issues they have been dealing with would go away. But most of those same things would go away if Misono just went public with the truth as well.

 

[SrNevik]

I'm getting tired of the "how hard is it to communicate" trope that a bunch of mangas seem to do lately, heck this week, five of the ones I follow it's been that. I understand that cultural differences exist, but really? Is it that hard to just sit down and you know, talk?

What's worse is I'd ask people to go back through the chapters and recognize that nearly every time Asuna spirals and keeps issues to herself, Misono is understanding and asks Asuna to speak her mind. Misono hasn't created an atmosphere of close-mindedness, so it makes less sense that Asuna continues to act as if she doesn't have an understanding girlfriend.

 

[SrNevik]

I see it a little differently. Asuna would be happiest making it clear her relationship so NOBODY gets confused or can keep misunderstanding. Misono has been very much so of the I need to hide her perspective and in public treats her like she's just a friend so people can misunderstand. The only reason for this is Misono, reasonable or not, doesn't want people to know who she really is to be "normal" (already further implying Asuna isn't).

Misono hasn't really done anything about trying to help Asuna or even really show that her fears were unfounded. She talks the talk but doesn't distance herself from the actuality and furthers supporting to Asuna because she needs to be "normal" that she can do whatever to be seen that way. Its like she is forcing Asuna to hide when guests are over.

Asuna went to far but she isn't wrong. If she was with a guy then most of these concerns/worries/issues they have been dealing with would go away. But most of those same things would go away if Misono just went public with the truth as well.

I'm sorry but I disagree quite a bit. As I said in the comment above, Misono has been very understanding and has taken most opportunities to have reassuring conversations with Asuna, whenever Asuna finally decides to be honest about what she's feeling. How can she help more when Asuna's problem is how much she bottles everything up?

Beyond that, are we really going to hold it over a gay girl's head, that she is naturally worried about upending her life by outing herself as a teenager? They've been dating for maybe months, if even that. Why would she be expected to make potentially life altering decisions based on a new relationship? She's explained her reasoning to Asuna, tried reassuring her, and it's not just about being "normal." I think that's something we should all understand, no?

Also, we can't move passed the original comment about the "being asked out" thing. Those aren't the same, and if it all boils down to "you should out yourself," then yeah they should break up.

 

[Colorsparks]

I'm sorry but I disagree quite a bit. As I said in the comment above, Misono has been very understanding and has taken most opportunities to have reassuring conversations with Asuna, whenever Asuna finally decides to be honest about what she's feeling. How can she help more when Asuna's problem is how much she bottles everything up?

Beyond that, are we really going to hold it over a gay girl's head, that she is naturally worried about upending her life by outing herself as a teenager? They've been dating for maybe months, if even that. Why would she be expected to make potentially life altering decisions based on a new relationship? She's explained her reasoning to Asuna, and it's not just about being "normal." I think that's something we should all understand, no?

You say Misono has been understanding but their entire relationship began with her cheating on her boyfriend using the girl who was so blindly into her she could get to do whatever she wanted. Asuna on the other hand was extremely understanding at that time, accepting Misono's desire to continue their affair due to how much she strives to live a "normal" life. The only thing that's changed since then is Misono broke up with her boyfriend. She's continued to not show any real commitment and continues to obfuscate their relationship to other people. Like Asuna is in pain not being able to show anything and Misono just goes "oh but it's fine cuz I'm saying I'm insanely into you"

 

[SrNevik]

You say Misono has been understanding but their entire relationship began with her cheating on her boyfriend using the girl who was so blindly into her she could get to do whatever she wanted. Asuna on the other hand was extremely understanding at that time, accepting Misono's desire to continue their affair due to how much she strives to live a "normal" life. The only thing that's changed since then is Misono broke up with her boyfriend. She's continued to not show any real commitment and continues to obfuscate their relationship to other people.

She's been very committed. I'm not sure where she's been shown to be uncommitted? And if you're idea is to hold how they got together over her head for the duration of their relationship, I don't know what to tell you. That's not a good foundation.

 

[Colorsparks]

She's been very committed. I'm not sure where she's been shown to be uncommitted? And if you're idea is to hold how they got together over her head for the duration of their relationship, I don't know what to tell you. That's not a good foundation.

I didn't say she's not committed I said she's not showing commitment. That's a communication failure on Misono's part. And I'm hardly holding how they got together over their heads I'm saying publicly their relationship hasn't advanced at all since then and Misono refuses to do anything to actually calm her girlfriend