Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi - Vol. 3 Ch. 16 - Meeting the Second Boss Character
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Can we agree that the fucking art in this manga is amazing? I love looking at how Feru and the others are drawn (specifically Feru though lol) like fuuuckkkk man I just love it!
Also @Kanaloa I don't think mangakas draw Japanese food to educate people who don't know much about Japanese cuisine. Maybe the mangaka likes these basic foods. If you want to be informed of something new you can use literally any search engine. Information on Japanese cuisine is a click away my dude.
Also @Kanaloa I don't think mangakas draw Japanese food to educate people who don't know much about Japanese cuisine. Maybe the mangaka likes these basic foods. If you want to be informed of something new you can use literally any search engine. Information on Japanese cuisine is a click away my dude.
@lolmaolol "weak ideals and beliefs " - lol what? Since when, killing intelligent non aggressive being is"weak"?
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@cherokeemoon Your opinion on the artwork is purely subjective and it's not relevant to statement I made. It's an objective fact that those who write manga do a certain amount of research FOR ANY SUBJECT that they plan to write the story about or else they'd just be driving themselves into a corner. Think twice next time before you write "I don't think" because you come off as ignorant. If you don't know for sure don't say it, plain and simple. Do your research first.
Does it make sense that someone who knows nothing of climate change would write reports about it? No. Does it make sense that anyone would write about French cuisine if all the know is pot au feu? Well I guess the whole story will be ONLY about pot au feu because thats all the idiot knows UNLESS there were more dishes which would add MORE content to the story. Isn't this simple to understand? The only way that the audience can be immersed or to get a firm understanding of a subject is through the writers knowledge in presenting those information TO THEM. The more new and exotic things there are the better it is. This is the difference between a good writer and a crappy one. So what was the purpose for my first message? To point that out. If you like cheap easy stories then go for it. Stay quiet and just read in a corner but I have all the rights to critique especially when it's founded and reasonable.
Also how dare you even try to imply that the japanese aren't trying to advertise their culture to the readers? They've been doing this eversince. Onsen, best japanese past-time. Every japanese must do it. Katana, the bestttttt swooooooooooord. Japanese curry for camping our outdoor trips. How would most of us manga/anime fans even know anything about japan if we didn't read or watch it? This manga itself is based off of many japanese dishes itself. So you're totally wrong.
NOW to the story itself...if you know or read my messages in the past I don't like walk in the park isekai. I like MC or characters who even if they were given some OP power or skills I want them to work for it not given at the beginning to just walk through the park. The reason I give this one a chance is because I like food genre however every-time when I read and see how the MC get things done so easily without breaking a sweat it makes me dislike the manga that much more. If you think that everyone should just read anything and everything without criticizing a story it only shows how low a standard you as an individual have in seeking the better things in life.
Does it make sense that someone who knows nothing of climate change would write reports about it? No. Does it make sense that anyone would write about French cuisine if all the know is pot au feu? Well I guess the whole story will be ONLY about pot au feu because thats all the idiot knows UNLESS there were more dishes which would add MORE content to the story. Isn't this simple to understand? The only way that the audience can be immersed or to get a firm understanding of a subject is through the writers knowledge in presenting those information TO THEM. The more new and exotic things there are the better it is. This is the difference between a good writer and a crappy one. So what was the purpose for my first message? To point that out. If you like cheap easy stories then go for it. Stay quiet and just read in a corner but I have all the rights to critique especially when it's founded and reasonable.
Also how dare you even try to imply that the japanese aren't trying to advertise their culture to the readers? They've been doing this eversince. Onsen, best japanese past-time. Every japanese must do it. Katana, the bestttttt swooooooooooord. Japanese curry for camping our outdoor trips. How would most of us manga/anime fans even know anything about japan if we didn't read or watch it? This manga itself is based off of many japanese dishes itself. So you're totally wrong.
NOW to the story itself...if you know or read my messages in the past I don't like walk in the park isekai. I like MC or characters who even if they were given some OP power or skills I want them to work for it not given at the beginning to just walk through the park. The reason I give this one a chance is because I like food genre however every-time when I read and see how the MC get things done so easily without breaking a sweat it makes me dislike the manga that much more. If you think that everyone should just read anything and everything without criticizing a story it only shows how low a standard you as an individual have in seeking the better things in life.
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@Umetsu The griffons in this story are man eaters. They aren't "non aggressive". And it challenged fenrir to a duel. Fenrir can choose to kill the griffon if he wants to or not. He's the one that has the power to do that. The fact that the MC is trying to impose his ideals onto Fenrir is what's pathetic.
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@kanaloa Hey dude,
I numbered all my points just for organizational purposes.
1) My comment on the art wasn't for you, that's why I put my response to you in the second paragraph.
2) I said "I don't think" because I'm speaking casual English.
3) Drawing mainstream Japanese foods into the manga does not make the author a crappy writer, nor does it make this manga a "cheap and easy story". Also, the only way an audience can get a firm understanding of a subject is through the writer's knowledge in presenting that information to them is true but what is so hard to grasp about food? Putting mainstream dishes instead of a wide variety of dishes doesn't take away the audience's opportunity to understand anything about this story. Also what would be considered new and exotic? Which Japanese dish would fit those two descriptions? Seeing something as new and exotic is subjective. For example, pot au feu (as you mentioned before) sounds new and exotic to me, but clearly it doesn't sound new and exotic to you.
4) I didn't imply that the Japanese don't try to advertise their culture, I implied that not all Japanese have to advertise their culture. In fact, it's not even advertising. For example, In America no one says "This show is advertising American culture" just because there's a white guy eating macaroni and cheese in the show. In Korean dramas or comics no one says "This is advertising Korean culture" just because they're eating kimchi or japchae. So in Japanese entertainment / manga why would you say they're "advertising Japanese culture".
5) Saying every Japanese person must go to an onsen to pass their time is wrong too. Just because it's a Japanese thing doesn't mean "every Japanese must do it". That's like saying
6) What do you mean how would anime / manga fans know anything about Japan if we didn't watch anime or read manga? Like I said before, Google exists, use it. If you want to do more research on Japan then do that, don't rely on manga and anime to give you all the information about Japan you seek. That's what weeaboos do and no one, especially the Japanese, likes weeaboos.
7) I did not read your past comments, why should I.
8) I never said I think everyone should read anything without criticizing the story, but you weren't criticizing the story, you were criticizing the author's choice of food. Why are you even talking about the story itself anyways? Your comment was about the food choice, my earlier response to that was to chill out about the food. We never touched on the story itself.
That's the end man, overall food is food no need to get so worked up about it, and research Japan on your own if you love it so much. Peace out and have a great day
I numbered all my points just for organizational purposes.
1) My comment on the art wasn't for you, that's why I put my response to you in the second paragraph.
2) I said "I don't think" because I'm speaking casual English.
3) Drawing mainstream Japanese foods into the manga does not make the author a crappy writer, nor does it make this manga a "cheap and easy story". Also, the only way an audience can get a firm understanding of a subject is through the writer's knowledge in presenting that information to them is true but what is so hard to grasp about food? Putting mainstream dishes instead of a wide variety of dishes doesn't take away the audience's opportunity to understand anything about this story. Also what would be considered new and exotic? Which Japanese dish would fit those two descriptions? Seeing something as new and exotic is subjective. For example, pot au feu (as you mentioned before) sounds new and exotic to me, but clearly it doesn't sound new and exotic to you.
4) I didn't imply that the Japanese don't try to advertise their culture, I implied that not all Japanese have to advertise their culture. In fact, it's not even advertising. For example, In America no one says "This show is advertising American culture" just because there's a white guy eating macaroni and cheese in the show. In Korean dramas or comics no one says "This is advertising Korean culture" just because they're eating kimchi or japchae. So in Japanese entertainment / manga why would you say they're "advertising Japanese culture".
5) Saying every Japanese person must go to an onsen to pass their time is wrong too. Just because it's a Japanese thing doesn't mean "every Japanese must do it". That's like saying
6) What do you mean how would anime / manga fans know anything about Japan if we didn't watch anime or read manga? Like I said before, Google exists, use it. If you want to do more research on Japan then do that, don't rely on manga and anime to give you all the information about Japan you seek. That's what weeaboos do and no one, especially the Japanese, likes weeaboos.
7) I did not read your past comments, why should I.
8) I never said I think everyone should read anything without criticizing the story, but you weren't criticizing the story, you were criticizing the author's choice of food. Why are you even talking about the story itself anyways? Your comment was about the food choice, my earlier response to that was to chill out about the food. We never touched on the story itself.
That's the end man, overall food is food no need to get so worked up about it, and research Japan on your own if you love it so much. Peace out and have a great day
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1. It's still not relevant to the point I made. I like Feru...Feru and the food but it's still not relevant to the point I made. Even Feru himself is asking for different dishes all the time...
2. How does this have anything to do with the way you express yourself in your response? There should be no implication of speculation on your part if you're sure. If you aren't sure you shouldn't be giving your input because it's inaccurate. Isn't this fair?
3. There are MANY stories like this and some are actually better written like Dungeon Meshi or Isekai Ryouridou the reason is because they go a little more into detail about the cooking process and give a more firm story telling while still centering around cooking. This manga is like.."OH FERU ARE YOU HUNGRY? LETS EAT!!!". It's nothing more than a quick fix. Surely you don't think a surface scratching manga is the making of a decent writer, do you?
4. It's all in the context in how the information is presented. For instance if McDonald showed their commercial in the US about a new burger it's not advertising their culture but advertising a product. If in Japan they did the same thing, once again it's not culture they're advertising but a product. If in the Heian period of Japan...they all of a sudden spoke of the art of making hamburgers...thats advertising culture and product. See that difference? This happens a lot in japanese manga and anime. It's only in Japanese manga or anime where many writers would go out of their way to introduce or inform you of something japanese when there was no need.
Now look at it from this perspective, for example some stories are based off of a pseudo european isekai and yet a friggin katana appeared because god knows that it's the best sword under the heavens that the land of the rising sun have refined near perfection but it had to appear in a culture who is supposedly known for longswords and rapiers. This is too obvious. It's an overreach. You're being disingenuous if you're pretending that this don't happen often. It's not just katana it's many other aspects of japanese culture that they try to throw in. I read chinese, korean, and japanese manga and out of all the groups the japanese always tend to throw out some stuff from their culture even when it doesn't make sense too.
5. I'm not making a claim in real life, I'm paraphrasing what the writers tend to write. This is an advertisement and at the least a little chance to educate people of japanese culture.
6. Maybe you were born later but during my childhood google and the internet wasn't really a thing yet. So gathering information was scarce and kind of hard. On the other hand if you were born in the within the days of smartphones you'd think it's weird. So it's not accurate for your to talk about "research" when you might be from a generation that live in an era that literally gives you information. It's like some fuckhead from 300 years in the future saying "why didn't people 300 years ago use gene editing to rid themselves of cancer?" lol
Look at this way. Most people wouldn't know about S. KOREA if it wasn't for Korean music, K-pop. No one gave a fuck about them. How did they gather the attention of the world? It was only later on through youtube. It was around that time where people were more exposed to the culture of S.Korea and thats how they became just as popular as Japan. Thats how most people started watching korean drama. They don't just started watching it out of curiosity...there's a cause and effect and in order to start they needed to be exposed to it in one way or another. There needs to be a medium. Japanese popculture is the same. You're being dishonest if you don't think anime and manga don't play a role at all. It's the most significant role for most of us. Oh I forgot about video games.
7. Well it's within you rights to do what you want to do. Even if you said you didn't read it I already know you did and you think it's irrelevant. lol
8. You do realize that the story mostly focus on killing monsters and using their mats as ingredients to make pseudo dishes known to the MC's world right? It's all about the dishes bro. Why the hell would Feru-sama even give a fuck about the MC if it wasn't for the food?
Another man's trash is another man's treasure. You aren't the arbiter for how an individual sees value in something. "In a world where the triggered tells other not to be triggered" haha
1. It's still not relevant to the point I made. I like Feru...Feru and the food but it's still not relevant to the point I made. Even Feru himself is asking for different dishes all the time...
2. How does this have anything to do with the way you express yourself in your response? There should be no implication of speculation on your part if you're sure. If you aren't sure you shouldn't be giving your input because it's inaccurate. Isn't this fair?
3. There are MANY stories like this and some are actually better written like Dungeon Meshi or Isekai Ryouridou the reason is because they go a little more into detail about the cooking process and give a more firm story telling while still centering around cooking. This manga is like.."OH FERU ARE YOU HUNGRY? LETS EAT!!!". It's nothing more than a quick fix. Surely you don't think a surface scratching manga is the making of a decent writer, do you?
4. It's all in the context in how the information is presented. For instance if McDonald showed their commercial in the US about a new burger it's not advertising their culture but advertising a product. If in Japan they did the same thing, once again it's not culture they're advertising but a product. If in the Heian period of Japan...they all of a sudden spoke of the art of making hamburgers...thats advertising culture and product. See that difference? This happens a lot in japanese manga and anime. It's only in Japanese manga or anime where many writers would go out of their way to introduce or inform you of something japanese when there was no need.
Now look at it from this perspective, for example some stories are based off of a pseudo european isekai and yet a friggin katana appeared because god knows that it's the best sword under the heavens that the land of the rising sun have refined near perfection but it had to appear in a culture who is supposedly known for longswords and rapiers. This is too obvious. It's an overreach. You're being disingenuous if you're pretending that this don't happen often. It's not just katana it's many other aspects of japanese culture that they try to throw in. I read chinese, korean, and japanese manga and out of all the groups the japanese always tend to throw out some stuff from their culture even when it doesn't make sense too.
5. I'm not making a claim in real life, I'm paraphrasing what the writers tend to write. This is an advertisement and at the least a little chance to educate people of japanese culture.
6. Maybe you were born later but during my childhood google and the internet wasn't really a thing yet. So gathering information was scarce and kind of hard. On the other hand if you were born in the within the days of smartphones you'd think it's weird. So it's not accurate for your to talk about "research" when you might be from a generation that live in an era that literally gives you information. It's like some fuckhead from 300 years in the future saying "why didn't people 300 years ago use gene editing to rid themselves of cancer?" lol
Look at this way. Most people wouldn't know about S. KOREA if it wasn't for Korean music, K-pop. No one gave a fuck about them. How did they gather the attention of the world? It was only later on through youtube. It was around that time where people were more exposed to the culture of S.Korea and thats how they became just as popular as Japan. Thats how most people started watching korean drama. They don't just started watching it out of curiosity...there's a cause and effect and in order to start they needed to be exposed to it in one way or another. There needs to be a medium. Japanese popculture is the same. You're being dishonest if you don't think anime and manga don't play a role at all. It's the most significant role for most of us. Oh I forgot about video games.
7. Well it's within you rights to do what you want to do. Even if you said you didn't read it I already know you did and you think it's irrelevant. lol
8. You do realize that the story mostly focus on killing monsters and using their mats as ingredients to make pseudo dishes known to the MC's world right? It's all about the dishes bro. Why the hell would Feru-sama even give a fuck about the MC if it wasn't for the food?
Another man's trash is another man's treasure. You aren't the arbiter for how an individual sees value in something. "In a world where the triggered tells other not to be triggered" haha
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@lolmaolol It is not pathetic. Killing everything doesn't bring anything good. In this case, by not killing the griffin, it became a useful ally, next time, he can pass through the forest without Fel. And the Griffin just challenged Fel to a duel, it didn't intent to kill him or anything. Killing your opponent in a non-life threatening duel would make you the worst kind of trash with no moral. From what I see, Fel didn't want to kill him. You are too edgy and need some common-sense.
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@miyako19 You're entitled to have your opinion. It however in no way changes what I think about it. If the MC didn't want the griffon to die, he should do it with his own power, which he obviously doesn't have. He instead imposed his ideology onto someone else who actually has the power to make those decisions. He's a child that thinks people should do what he wants them to do, and that they should live how he wants them to live. That makes him a weak, pathetic, pussy in my book.
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@cherokeemoon ..or you refuse to accept the objective points I've made because throughout this whole ordeal I never express my hate or dislike for this subject. This clearly shows that I have no bias. You on the other hand you came into the discussion as an apologetic for the writer because I said that the dishes introduced are lacking in variety and it's insulting...what triggered you so? Most people would just ignore that damn comment. You can't expect people who get defensive for something as silly as what I said to be objective-obviously we can't see eye to eye.
You're going to agree to disagree? Why should I agree with you to disagree with me when I'm factually correct while you've been using your feelings to map out this discussion the whole time? lol Whatever peace.
You're going to agree to disagree? Why should I agree with you to disagree with me when I'm factually correct while you've been using your feelings to map out this discussion the whole time? lol Whatever peace.
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Japanese and cannibalism...
I wonder what a WoW orc would feel about a japanese person. Disgust? Fear?
Orcs are quite often enough portrait as sentient demi-humans. In such a setting, someone eating orcs, might as well eat elves, halflings or human children. People would hunt such a "person" down and kill it with fire. Even if they are portrait as wild beasts, they often enough wear loin cloths, furs and such. I know the authors let them wear those, because it fits the expected style. But beings doing that, always assuming they aren't dressed up by dragons or something, show at least some sort of intelligence. I know, that wild, stupid demi-humans like ferocious goblins, trolls or orcs don't leave place for peaceful negations, as they are always attacking. Killing them is a way of self defence, but eating them. Humans shouldn't eat monkeys ether, as we might contract diseases. For the same biological reason we shouldn't eat other humans as well. Also mice are bad too, as our immune systems work similar. Orc meat would be bad news.
Also, from a moral pov, they have a very similar body frame, wear clothes and live in primitive societies and other stuff. So many similar points to us humans apply, that the mechanisms preventing us from eating other humans should also cover orcs.
Sometimes stuff like that, looks like the author tries too hard (or not hard enough) to make their stories look edgy or exotic. It feels cheap. This manga is better than that.
I wonder what a WoW orc would feel about a japanese person. Disgust? Fear?
Orcs are quite often enough portrait as sentient demi-humans. In such a setting, someone eating orcs, might as well eat elves, halflings or human children. People would hunt such a "person" down and kill it with fire. Even if they are portrait as wild beasts, they often enough wear loin cloths, furs and such. I know the authors let them wear those, because it fits the expected style. But beings doing that, always assuming they aren't dressed up by dragons or something, show at least some sort of intelligence. I know, that wild, stupid demi-humans like ferocious goblins, trolls or orcs don't leave place for peaceful negations, as they are always attacking. Killing them is a way of self defence, but eating them. Humans shouldn't eat monkeys ether, as we might contract diseases. For the same biological reason we shouldn't eat other humans as well. Also mice are bad too, as our immune systems work similar. Orc meat would be bad news.
Also, from a moral pov, they have a very similar body frame, wear clothes and live in primitive societies and other stuff. So many similar points to us humans apply, that the mechanisms preventing us from eating other humans should also cover orcs.
Sometimes stuff like that, looks like the author tries too hard (or not hard enough) to make their stories look edgy or exotic. It feels cheap. This manga is better than that.
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"Insulting"? pffft my god what age we are in to get insulted by a manga.
The mc is doing dishes he knows and create in his daily life with mix of ingredients from both worlds. They never said he was a gourmet chef to have the wide knowledge, he's an office clerk ffs.
The mc is doing dishes he knows and create in his daily life with mix of ingredients from both worlds. They never said he was a gourmet chef to have the wide knowledge, he's an office clerk ffs.
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He got an affinity with these birds... good for the birds... if they haven't done it then... they would be dead by now...
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