Tondemonai Komyushou-san ga Oku-san ni Naru made... - Ch. 7 - As I Get More Intimate With This Communication-Challenged Girl... 1%

[altmaria]

You don't know why people would unironically like this kind of girl but you do know the term "bad faith"?

Really? Is that so hard to fathom?

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But mom!... Bart started it!

 

[ThrystaVindr]

She's cute, but it would be very annoying to deal with this irl

 

[gearoi92]

Really? Is that so hard to fathom?


But mom!... Bart started it!

It's just is another indicator telling me you being a little debatebro. Nothing here is hard to fathom on my side, buddy. Could you come up with an idea as to why people would prefer such a girl over one being her opposite as i described?

 

[altmaria]

It's just is another indicator telling me you being a little debatebro. Nothing here is hard to fathom on my side, buddy.

Bold of you to assume I'm a bro, but okay.

 

[gearoi92]

Bold of you to assume I'm a bro, but okay.

Could you come up with an idea as to why people would prefer such a girl over one being her opposite as i described?

 

[altmaria]

Could you come up with an idea as to why people would prefer such a girl over one being her opposite as i described?

Not really? Especially not in the context of this manga: Being chronically self-conscious isn't good for your mental health, and it can be quite hard to communicate with people like that. The author is portraying these issues very well in this manga, at least so far.

 

[gearoi92]

Not really? Especially not in the context of this manga: Being chronically self-conscious isn't good for your mental health, and it can be quite hard to communicate with people like that. The author is portraying these issues very well in this manga, at least so far.

Why do you suddenly talk about mental health? How about you actually read the initial post you replied to and think really hard what the discussion is about. Do we talk about mental health or body count and relationships?

 

[TwisterJR]

I know she's bad at communicating but who tf goes and says "yeah, I'm a dangerous person"
Also, "dangerous"? She looks like she's gonna pass out if a cat slaps her

 

[altmaria]

Why do you suddenly talk about mental health? How about you actually read the initial post you replied to and think really hard what the discussion is about. Do we talk about mental health or body count and relationships?

Why is everything so mutually exclusive for you? Being in a good mental state makes you a better person to your partner... Isn't that desirable?

I'm just trying to understand why you think people with relationship experiences are undesirable. Are you speaking from experience?

 

[gearoi92]

Why is everything so mutually exclusive for you? Being in a good mental state makes you a better person to your partner... Isn't that desirable?

I'm just trying to understand why you think people with relationship experiences are undesirable. Are you speaking from experience?

Stop goalpost shifting. Again, can you really not give one argument as to why people that like this manga would dream of a girl like her(that isn't promiscuous)?

 

[altmaria]

Stop goalpost shifting. Again, can you really not give one argument as to why people that like this manga would dream of a girl like her(that isn't promiscuous)?

Ah, so your issue is being promiscuous, gotcha... You didn't say that in your original post though...

Relationship experience doesn't really say anything about promiscuity, and vice-versa, so to me that's an entirely different thing.

 

[gearoi92]

Ah, so your issue is being promiscuous, gotcha... You didn't say that in your original post though...

Relationship experience doesn't really say anything about promiscuity, and vice-versa, so to me that's an entirely different thing.

First off, seems like i was right, you just play dumb and refuse to give an argument. You DO know what i'm talking about. You seem to know how to argue but at the same time you made one crucial mistake. With people that know how debate tactics work, you will most likely fall short with the way you tried to start things up. But let's keep playing along and try it this way so you can't use definitions to weasel out:
Can you really not give one argument as to why people that like this manga would dream of a girl like her(that didn't have 20+ guys)?

 

[altmaria]

First off, seems like i was right, you just play dumb and refuse to give an argument. You DO know what i'm talking about. You seem to know how to argue but at the same time you made one crucial mistake. People that know how debates work, you will most likely fall short with the way you tried to start things up. But let's keep playing along and try it this way so you can't use definitions to weasel out:
Can you really not give one argument as to why people that like this manga would dream of a girl like her(that didn't have 20+ guys)?

Again no. I really don't see why this woman is a "dream girl". Her unhealthy attitude is not great, as the author rightfully explores, it's really difficult to hold a conversation with her, let alone anything else (it's right there in the title, she's a "social outcast").
That's why I asked you why you see so great about her.... You do realize she has no relationship experience because of her bad mental state, right?

The only saving grace here in the manga is that the male character is also kinda like her, so they can explore that on equal ground, and hopefully the author makes it healthy, but the reality is that it can spiral down very easily.

As others have been rightfully explaining, it would be hard to deal with a person like this in real life, and I agree, because I've tried, regardless of being a man and a woman, and it's taxing, because I want to be a partner, not a therapist.

As you probably know, since you are around here, manga fans who are chronically self-conscious and/or with no relationship experience aren't exactly rare, and so trying to have a relationship within the community is a constant challenge and often doesn't go anywhere.

I hope this can help you understand why I don't see it.

 

[gearoi92]

Again no. I really don't see why this woman is a "dream girl". Her unhealthy attitude is not great, as the author rightfully explores, it's really difficult to hold a conversation with her, let alone anything else (it's right there in the title, she's a "social outcast").
That's why I asked you why you see so great about her.... You do realize she has no relationship experience because of her bad mental state, right?

The only saving grace here in the manga is that the male character is also kinda like her, so they can explore that on equal ground, and hopefully the author makes it healthy, but the reality is that it can spiral down very easily.

As others have been rightfully explaining, it would be hard to deal with a person like this in real life, and I agree, because I've tried, regardless of being a man and a woman, and it's taxing, because I want to be a partner, not a therapist.

As you probably know, since you are around here, manga fans who are chronically self-conscious and/or with no relationship experience aren't exactly rare, and so trying to have a relationship within the community is a constant challenge and often doesn't go anywhere.

I hope this can help you understand why I don't see it.

Then let's put it this way: Can you see how there are humans in this world, that, for reasons you don't have to agree with, but can do an honest effort to imagine why, would prefer their partner to not have 20+ people on their back? Again, this is not about you agreeing or not, this is about seeing where others come from. You can't be this emotionally incapable of basic empathy.

And before you try to dance around the topic as if you are a professional dancer, here is the basic definition of empathy: "Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position"

 

[altmaria]

Then let's put it this way: Can you see how there are humans in this world, that, for reasons you don't have to agree with, but can do an honest effort to imagine why, would prefer their partner to not have 20+ people on their back? Again, this is not about you agreeing or not, this is about seeing where others come from. You can't be this emotionally incapable of basic empathy.

And before you try to dance around the topic as if you are a professional dancer, here is the basic definition of empathy: "Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position"

Basic empathy? If you aren't able to articulate your own reasons, how do you expect me to have empathy for you? How do I accomplish that? You have been dancing around the "why" this whole time, and for whatever reason entirely in your head, you assume I already know why.

A good part of enabling empathy is to provide information about your experience, and that requires communication. In other words, I can't try put myself in your shoes if you don't lend them to me.

Apart from a offhand comment about promiscuity that I still don't see how it fits in here (and I already explained why, but you ignored it), you didn't elaborate any further.

Empathy goes both ways, by the way, because I've given you plenty of information about what I think and you have been consistently dismissive.

 

[gearoi92]

Basic empathy? If you aren't able to articulate your own reasons, how do you expect me to have empathy for you? How do I accomplish that? You have been dancing around the "why" this whole time, and for whatever reason entirely in your head, you assume I already know why.

A good part of enabling empathy is to provide information about your experience, and that requires communication. In other words, I can't try put myself in your shoes if you don't lend them to me.

Apart from a offhand comment about promiscuity that I still don't see how it fits in here (and I already explained why, but you ignored it), you didn't elaborate any further.

Empathy goes both ways, by the way, because I've given you plenty of information about what I think and you have been consistently dismissive.

You keep dodging. I told you, if you can't think of ONE reason as to why people would prefer a partner that had not 20+ people, there is no discussion to have, since you aren't capable of it. All the information you gave was not to make your position clear to me, it was to simply avoid one simple question. Now, can you, or can you not think of 1 reason as to why people would prefer a partner without 20+ people on their back, even if you don't agree with their position as to why they would prefer so? Yes or no? If yes, please name only ONE.

 

[altmaria]

You keep dodging. I told you, if you can't think of ONE reason as to why people would prefer a partner that had not 20+ people, there is no discussion to have, since you aren't capable of it. All the information you gave was not to make your position clear to me, it was to simply avoid one simple question. Now, can you, or can you not think of 1 reason as to why people would prefer a partner without 20+ people on their back, even if you don't agree with their position as to why they would prefer so? Yes or no? If yes, please name only ONE.

I'm answering this convoluted question for the third time, and the answer is no.

 

[gearoi92]

I'm answering this convoluted question for the third time, and the answer is no.

Then you are not capable of having this discussion. I stated two arguments in my first post as to why someone would prefer more experienced partners, even though i disagree with them. I showed capacity to at least understand the other side on some level. You simply lack the empathy to do so. I still hope that this is not the case and you are just in debate-mode, because the alternative would be really sad, and you actually would have a lot of problems in your life if you can't see others eye to eye, especially if you disagree with them. I'll give you the last word for this meta-discussion about discussions. Take it or leave it.

 

[altmaria]

Then you are not capable of having this discussion. I stated two arguments in my first post as to why someone would prefer more experienced partners, even though i disagree with them. I showed capacity to at least understand the other side on some level. You simply lack the empathy to do so. I still hope that this is not the case and you are just in debate-mode, because the alternative would be really sad, and you actually would have a lot of problems in your life if you can't see others eye to eye, especially if you disagree with them. I'll give you the last word for this meta-discussion about discussions. Take it or leave it.

I'll end this the same I started: asking why... Because you are incapable of answering it yourself, and yet you accuse me of it... You are clearly projecting, I just don't really know why, but oh well...

 

[gearoi92]

I know she's bad at communicating but who tf goes and says "yeah, I'm a dangerous person"
Also, "dangerous"? She looks like she's gonna pass out if a cat slaps her

If the kanji was "危", then you could use it when referring to women as them being some kind of menhera, as in "dangerous because mentally unstable". Kinda like a yandere but not quite. It's a N5-N4 kanji i believe but you won't see it used in this way in language learning books lol