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Extremely strict is an understatement. Bloody army wasn't as strict as that school. Only a prison would be that strict. Basic human rights are an alien concept to the admistration of that school. The parents must loathe their children quite passionately to send them there.
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Seriously what is up with the rules of all these anime/manga schools?
No make-up, no jewelry, must have black hair, hair must be straight, must go straight home from school (stopping on shops even ones along the way is forbidden), dress code(school uniform), gates will be closed and if you're just 1 min late to 1st class you have to miss the whole day, you get bad notes on report cards for being sick too much, teachers patrol after school to make sure students aren't up "too late", dating is prohibited, taking non-school related items to school is prohibited...
Theres probably some more stuff i forgot.
And then this sh*t.
just wtf Japan. Please, someone tell me schools in japan aren't THAT bad in real life and it's just a anime/manga thing.
No make-up, no jewelry, must have black hair, hair must be straight, must go straight home from school (stopping on shops even ones along the way is forbidden), dress code(school uniform), gates will be closed and if you're just 1 min late to 1st class you have to miss the whole day, you get bad notes on report cards for being sick too much, teachers patrol after school to make sure students aren't up "too late", dating is prohibited, taking non-school related items to school is prohibited...
Theres probably some more stuff i forgot.
And then this sh*t.
just wtf Japan. Please, someone tell me schools in japan aren't THAT bad in real life and it's just a anime/manga thing.
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I wondered myself about whether the strictness was bullshit or not so I started hitting up blogs, forum posts and Q&As about English teachers that have taught over in Japan about how the schools are.
Surprisingly... a lot of it is legit. IN SOME SCHOOLS. It is most definitely not an across-the-board thing. If you take a high end private prep school in, say, Tokyo, you're going to get a lot of these rules legitimately being enforced. To show you how god damn insane it is taken in Japan, I read of one case where an American family was living in Japan for a few years because the father had transferred there. The mother was talking about her dealing with Japanese school systems and once getting into a rather decent high school her son, who had dirty blond hair of some variety, was actually asked by the school administration if he could dye his hair (...which was against the rules at this school) because his natural hair color just MIGHT make other students get jealous/ideas to dye their hair. Also, a lot of teachers were talking about how students (girls especially) would "rebel" against these rules. Black socks only for school uniform? Some kids would wear dark blue or dark gray socks. Yeah! Stickin' it to the man! There's also cases on the flipside where the schools are fairly tolerant and some which don't even have uniforms (this is common for grade school, but most middle and high schools are uniformed schools and are sticklers about it). It varies greatly.
One thing that also surprised me that is bullshit (because you see it so often) is apparently the "Public Morals" bit is total garbage from what I was about to find. And it makes sense. Why would students go about disciplining other students or enforcing the "morality" of the student body? If that was a thing, that would be for teachers/administrators to do. Not students.
I wondered myself about whether the strictness was bullshit or not so I started hitting up blogs, forum posts and Q&As about English teachers that have taught over in Japan about how the schools are.
Surprisingly... a lot of it is legit. IN SOME SCHOOLS. It is most definitely not an across-the-board thing. If you take a high end private prep school in, say, Tokyo, you're going to get a lot of these rules legitimately being enforced. To show you how god damn insane it is taken in Japan, I read of one case where an American family was living in Japan for a few years because the father had transferred there. The mother was talking about her dealing with Japanese school systems and once getting into a rather decent high school her son, who had dirty blond hair of some variety, was actually asked by the school administration if he could dye his hair (...which was against the rules at this school) because his natural hair color just MIGHT make other students get jealous/ideas to dye their hair. Also, a lot of teachers were talking about how students (girls especially) would "rebel" against these rules. Black socks only for school uniform? Some kids would wear dark blue or dark gray socks. Yeah! Stickin' it to the man! There's also cases on the flipside where the schools are fairly tolerant and some which don't even have uniforms (this is common for grade school, but most middle and high schools are uniformed schools and are sticklers about it). It varies greatly.
One thing that also surprised me that is bullshit (because you see it so often) is apparently the "Public Morals" bit is total garbage from what I was about to find. And it makes sense. Why would students go about disciplining other students or enforcing the "morality" of the student body? If that was a thing, that would be for teachers/administrators to do. Not students.
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It is normal to me since my high school in an Asian country was the same. Most Asian countries' schools are the same, not only in Japan. It is also depend on the type of school you go to but schools with no strict rule are school for delinquents and the kids graduates from there are the type of people I would avoid.
My school is considered a good school and we have the rule of no dyed hair, wear uniform properly, no make up, no jewelry, no public affection, gate will be closed on time, pretty much all the things you said.
You acted like it is outrageous but to me, it is normal and necessary to keep kids in rebellious age in check. Throughout my high school career, I see no drugs, no bullying, no violence , no teen pregnancy, no separation between the jocks, the cool girls and the nerds, every students are equal, the teachers make sure you graduates with good grades and get into university, the students respect the teachers. My friends are still visit the teachers and the school even though they have kids of their own now and I would too when I have the chance to go back to my country.
I experienced culture shock when I moved to the US and I am graceful that I don't have to go to high school here. Kids in the US are just too free. The teachers and the parents can't control the kids. My young cousin changes boyfriend every few months. Her mother cried a lot because some of her boyfriends are delinquents. A girl in her school is pregnant when she is just 16. Some kids were suspended from school because of fighting. My acquaintances' children dropped out of school and pretty much are just playing around now. School shooting and teen pregnancy surprised me since they are things I didn't even heard of when I was in my old country.
The thing about students enforcing public moral make senses to me. After all, a student would be the one who know best about what other students do. There are things that teachers don't know and the students employ tons of different tricks to hide from the teachers. The students outnumber the teachers. The public moral enforcer students are the helpers of the teachers and the role models for the other kids. In the case when a student know about another student's wrongdoing, it is easier to talk about it with the enforcer student then they can report it to the teachers together. My country has some sayings "Learn from a fellow student is better than learn from the teacher" and "What type of person you turn out depend on the friends you choose". Kids are influenced a lot by their friends and by having good role model, it can have a positive impact on them.
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It is normal to me since my high school in an Asian country was the same. Most Asian countries' schools are the same, not only in Japan. It is also depend on the type of school you go to but schools with no strict rule are school for delinquents and the kids graduates from there are the type of people I would avoid.
My school is considered a good school and we have the rule of no dyed hair, wear uniform properly, no make up, no jewelry, no public affection, gate will be closed on time, pretty much all the things you said.
You acted like it is outrageous but to me, it is normal and necessary to keep kids in rebellious age in check. Throughout my high school career, I see no drugs, no bullying, no violence , no teen pregnancy, no separation between the jocks, the cool girls and the nerds, every students are equal, the teachers make sure you graduates with good grades and get into university, the students respect the teachers. My friends are still visit the teachers and the school even though they have kids of their own now and I would too when I have the chance to go back to my country.
I experienced culture shock when I moved to the US and I am graceful that I don't have to go to high school here. Kids in the US are just too free. The teachers and the parents can't control the kids. My young cousin changes boyfriend every few months. Her mother cried a lot because some of her boyfriends are delinquents. A girl in her school is pregnant when she is just 16. Some kids were suspended from school because of fighting. My acquaintances' children dropped out of school and pretty much are just playing around now. School shooting and teen pregnancy surprised me since they are things I didn't even heard of when I was in my old country.
The thing about students enforcing public moral make senses to me. After all, a student would be the one who know best about what other students do. There are things that teachers don't know and the students employ tons of different tricks to hide from the teachers. The students outnumber the teachers. The public moral enforcer students are the helpers of the teachers and the role models for the other kids. In the case when a student know about another student's wrongdoing, it is easier to talk about it with the enforcer student then they can report it to the teachers together. My country has some sayings "Learn from a fellow student is better than learn from the teacher" and "What type of person you turn out depend on the friends you choose". Kids are influenced a lot by their friends and by having good role model, it can have a positive impact on them.
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As for drugs... Y'know, I went to American high school. And despite knowing who was likely doing them and had them... Do you think I saw them? Nope. Never. Because if I could see them, so could the teachers and staff. And kids would rather not be expelled and arrested, so they try not to be so stupid as to be seen with them. When it comes to things like that I think even in the most gang infested schools of Chicago or Detroit you'd still never (or shockingly rarely) would never see students, I dunno, shooting up heroin. Because as soon as that's visible, teachers are going to see it and you'll have the police and drug sniffing dogs on campus and the kids are minors and can't do shit about it and will be searched whether they like it or not. So kids, even though they are dumb, are rarely... THAT dumb.
One thing that I never saw in America (and would have been one HELL of a scandal) that does happen a lot in asian schools... Is underaged "compensated dating" (Read: Prostitution). Gee, what could POSSIBLY be leading girls who are under immense stress, school education standards, social pressure and living in a highly conformist and regimented society to do something so outrageous as to rebel and go as far as whoring themselves out to old men to do so? Yeah, no teen pregnancy here, it's difficult to get pregnant if you're being paid to have protected sex with dozens of old men. That's... somehow... better, I guess.
And, as demonstrated by things like compensated dating... It's not that the teachers and parents in asian countries control the kids... it's that they think, and are lead to believe, that they do. It's easy for a prison warden to pat himself on the back and proclaim he does a great job at keeping the prisoners in line and having them disciplined and controlled... As the prisoners quietly run the show as none-are-the-wiser. "The inmates running the asylum" is a saying for a reason... Hubris enters into this something fierce.
I'm also unsure of why teen pregnancy is so surprising or upsetting as you make it out to be. Teenages are a chemical wasteland of hormones and, unsurprisingly, are horny and want to have sex. You thinking that you've disciplined them so well that they won't do anything is... pure and utter hubris. And it's getting to the point where if you told the Japanese government "the teens are not having sex and getting pregnant" they'd probably respond "WE KNOW! IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM!". Even though plenty of them are having sex. They just aren't getting pregnant. I can think of tons of things that are worse than getting pregnant as a teenager. And a lack of it is not proof that you have a controlled and disciplined citizenry.
Not to say I disagree with it, but... It's just ironic to me.
Yes. By parents. By not letting kids be little shits. Not by entrusting your government/school to raise your child for you. And we see how "great" the structured nature of these schools are: the children in them are incredibly stressed out, studying constantly, having their parents helicopter over them and put more pressure on them to succeed and, despite your claims to the contrary, even then they still have to deal with bullying. And this is compounded by social pressure that exists on an already astronomic level. Is it any wonder some can't take it and commit suicide? If anything, it's amazing that the suicide rate among these children isn't any higher. These kids don't get a chance to be kids. Their life revolves around school. And, worse yet? The way the Japanese school system is structured probably isn't even why it's successful. If anything, the Japanese education system creates more problems than it solves. ( Alternative take from a Japanese journalist also agreeing how batshit insane this is becoming )
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Sorry, but no. If you didn't see bullying in school, you simply weren't looking hard enough or didn't know what you were witnessing was bullying. There is no country, no culture, no nothing where bullying in schools is not a thing.
As for drugs... Y'know, I went to American high school. And despite knowing who was likely doing them and had them... Do you think I saw them? Nope. Never. Because if I could see them, so could the teachers and staff. And kids would rather not be expelled and arrested, so they try not to be so stupid as to be seen with them. When it comes to things like that I think even in the most gang infested schools of Chicago or Detroit you'd still never (or shockingly rarely) would never see students, I dunno, shooting up heroin. Because as soon as that's visible, teachers are going to see it and you'll have the police and drug sniffing dogs on campus and the kids are minors and can't do shit about it and will be searched whether they like it or not. So kids, even though they are dumb, are rarely... THAT dumb.
One thing that I never saw in America (and would have been one HELL of a scandal) that does happen a lot in asian schools... Is underaged "compensated dating" (Read: Prostitution). Gee, what could POSSIBLY be leading girls who are under immense stress, school education standards, social pressure and living in a highly conformist and regimented society to do something so outrageous as to rebel and go as far as whoring themselves out to old men to do so? Yeah, no teen pregnancy here, it's difficult to get pregnant if you're being paid to have protected sex with dozens of old men. That's... somehow... better, I guess.
I find this hard to believe. I think even most South Koreans/Chinese/Japanese people would be wondering where the hell you went to high school. Hell, most people in general. Because it doesn't matter what country or culture you're talking about - this happens. Shit, if it DOESN'T happen, that would be more concerning because this is how humans socialize. Meaning that this school is filled with students no longer acting human and no longer experiencing the human condition.
Kids in the U.S. are no where near as "free" as you think. It's been over a decade since I was a student, but even then, schools were becoming more and more regimented and structured and not necessarily for the better because of it. "Zero Tolerance" regulations and rules are commonplace now. All I know is that if Japanese high schools are anything like what I'm getting an idea of them being like from people that teach there and talk about life in Japan and as a Japanese student... It would literal fucking hell for me. I already thought school was oppressive enough in America, especially in high school with the zero tolerance nonsense and how education was changing in just the short time I was alive. I think I would rather spend 3 years in Japanese prisons than 3 years in one of their more strict high schools. I'm not even joking there.
And, as demonstrated by things like compensated dating... It's not that the teachers and parents in asian countries control the kids... it's that they think, and are lead to believe, that they do. It's easy for a prison warden to pat himself on the back and proclaim he does a great job at keeping the prisoners in line and having them disciplined and controlled... As the prisoners quietly run the show as none-are-the-wiser. "The inmates running the asylum" is a saying for a reason... Hubris enters into this something fierce.
School shootings are terrible, yes... But school attacks are hardly unknown in China, either. Or Japan. Or Thailand.
I'm also unsure of why teen pregnancy is so surprising or upsetting as you make it out to be. Teenages are a chemical wasteland of hormones and, unsurprisingly, are horny and want to have sex. You thinking that you've disciplined them so well that they won't do anything is... pure and utter hubris. And it's getting to the point where if you told the Japanese government "the teens are not having sex and getting pregnant" they'd probably respond "WE KNOW! IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM!". Even though plenty of them are having sex. They just aren't getting pregnant. I can think of tons of things that are worse than getting pregnant as a teenager. And a lack of it is not proof that you have a controlled and disciplined citizenry.
Maybe it's my shit-stirring American rebelliousness kicking in, but I find it ironic that in light of everything you advocated and defended about highly regimented, structured and respectful hierarchal society with an emphasis on strict education... You cited this at the end.
Not to say I disagree with it, but... It's just ironic to me.
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