Tsuihou Sareru Tabi ni Skill o Te ni Ireta Ore ga, 100 no Isekai de 2-shuume Musou - Ch. 27.2 - Proof ②

[alacaelum]

I read the manga.
What bothered me was that earlier, they made a big deal on how the human nation's dismissive apathy towards the beastfolk carrying the brunt of the demon invasion was properly called out, yet when the beastfolk are racist towards humans, it's excused with others telling the mc's to understand him.
It's a doublestandard being applied here.

I am sorry, I really can't see where that "double standard" you are pointing out is.

I agree, the racism the animalians have is bad, and like any circumstance of racism, it takes away from new connections being made, and is used to hurt others that, objectively speaking, don't deserve to be hurt.

Dorben is letting his anger and hate take hold of his reasoning, his friend just blocked his sister of doing a basic compliment based solely on his preconceptions... all of those are bad.

But... the whole situation has not been dealt with, the other nation still treats them with contempt, they still are being pushed by other worldly monsters, and treated as a disposable fighting force by everyone else.

To me, this whole situation is too complex for me to agree with your first comment that they should have a repercussion because they are mean to other races... and mind you... they already are dealing with repercussions, most of the territory where their nation is has been claimed by monsters, what they have was gained with a lot of effort and loss.

 

[Salfaro]

I'm fine with waiting for full chapters, tbh.

 

[auriga]

+1 vote to full chapters. Heck, even if someone snipes you I'd still wait for your release.

What the hell is this stopping point? It's so damn jarring.
I've said it before, but I don't know how the Japanese support such lackluster planning, literally stopping so suddenly mid-sentence. If you're going to break chapters up, plan it out so there's naturally stopping points, and it doesn't come across as so slap-dick, like it does here!

Blame the publisher, not the artist. I'm pretty sure the artist is still expected to submit complete monthly chapters for review and it's the publisher who decides to break chapters into parts for release.

Sure the artist could plan things better so each part would wrap up neatly, but imagine having to think of and build towards 4 mini endings every 9 pages versus just one big one after 30 or so pages. They're contracted to write and draw monthly, so why would they spend extra effort as if they were contracted to write and draw weekly?

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

Blame the publisher, not the artist.

I didn't blame specifically anyone, I just said it needs to be planned out better, because what they're doing currently sucks. I don't care who needs to change what they're doing, but something has got to change - and it's not just this comic, there are many that are releasing just like this, in just as jarring of a way.

Sure the artist could plan things better so each part would wrap up neatly, but imagine having to think of and build towards 4 mini endings every 9 pages versus just one big one after 30 or so pages. They're contracted to write and draw monthly, so why would they spend extra effort as if they were contracted to write and draw weekly?

Not my problem, I'm still going to say that the endings of these quasi chapters are stupid and jarring.
While I may sympathise with what's going on in the background, it doesn't change my critique of the end product.
Also, again, I didn't blame the author.

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

when the beastfolk are racist towards humans, it's excused with others telling the mc's to understand him.
It's a doublestandard being applied here.

I don't think anybody implied that it's wrong for humans to be racist towards Animalians, yet okay for Animalians to be racist in return.
The cause of animosity was explained to show that humans are in the wrong, but it's all a vicious cycle, and protagonists, as humans (well, Tia is an elf, but i forgot if that was addressed in this world), have to accept the fact that they are in the Animalian territory and need to conduct themselves accordingly ("in Rome do like Romans do", sort of). That means they sometimes need to suck it up for the sake of their goal.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

I don't think anybody implied that it's wrong for humans to be racist towards Animalians, yet okay for Animalians to be racist in return. The cause of animosity was explained to show that humans are in the wrong, but it's all a vicious cycle, and protagonists, as humans (well, Tia is an elf, but i forgot if that was addressed in this world), have to accept the fact that they are in the Animalian territory and need to conduct themselves accordingly ("in Rome do like Romans do", sort of). That means they sometimes need to suck it up for the sake of their goal.

It happened in the chapter where the surrounding circumstances were explained.
The difference in treatment each type of racism got was quite noticeable and also falls into a large trope, where "beastfolk good, humans bad and racist" is used as a really cheap allegory and is very annoying.
I really mostly hope that it receives either proper repercussions or both the humans of that world, that have not yet had an appearance, and the beastfolk receive a humbling and do a détente.

 

[Kanade0021]

thanks for the translation!

 

[auriga]

I didn't blame specifically anyone, I just said it needs to be planned out better, because what they're doing currently sucks. I don't care who needs to change what they're doing, but something has got to change - and it's not just this comic, there are many that are releasing just like this, in just as jarring of a way.

Not my problem, I'm still going to say that the endings of these quasi chapters are stupid and jarring.
While I may sympathise with what's going on in the background, it doesn't change my critique of the end product.
Also, again, I didn't blame the author.

Don't get me wrong: I don't like this business model, either. I'd even argue that chopping chapters up is tantamount to defacing the artist's work, and that's not even considering the microtransactions that may be involved.

But when you say "planning," what exactly are you referring to? Because planning how a chapter goes is the artist's responsibility, and - like I said - they don't have a say on the publisher's business model. For what it's worth I think it's just a case of you choosing your words poorly.

 

[HYBRID_BEING]

It happened in the chapter where the surrounding circumstances were explained.
The difference in treatment each type of racism got was quite noticeable and also falls into a large trope, where "beastfolk good, humans bad and racist" is used as a really cheap allegory and is very annoying.
I really mostly hope that it receives either proper repercussions or both the humans of that world, that have not yet had an appearance, and the beastfolk receive a humbling and do a détente.

You mean chapter 22? I re-read it, yeah.
Of course there is a difference, since setting of this world clearly states that human nations mistreat Animalian nation and exploit their strength and geographical position. That means that the way Animalians treat humans is not entirely unfounded. And yet it is still acknowledged that they discriminate against humans, and that discrimination is ingrained into their culture.
So, while "beastfolk good, humans bad" (a common trope, yeah), Animalians aren't impeccable either.

Of course, it would indeed be nice to have a détente at the end of it all. Meanwhile, you can enjoy Doben getting humbled in a fair fight with Ed in the upcoming chapters

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

But when you say "planning," what exactly are you referring to?

How these broken up chapters end. That's the entirety of my complaint.

I don't care about the business, or the logistics, or whatever is going on behind the scenes that gives us this cut up rubbish, but they need to stop doing this.
You said that artists are hired for a monthly long chapter, and the publisher cuts it up? Then stop hiring the artist for one long monthly chapter, and hire him for four weekly chapters instead.
Or stipulate to the artist that there's 'end points' every 12 pages or so - I'm not saying that all the plot threads and every plot thread needs to get completed; just that the pages shouldn't end so jarringly; because cutting off mid-sentence, or mid-action like it is now is dumb and annoying.

To be clear, I'm not talking about stopping cliffhangers; I'm saying they need give that particular reading session a proper ending, not the story itself. Comprehend me?

What we're getting now is having the chapters end like th-...

Because planning how a chapter goes is the artist's responsibility

You're forgetting that editors exist.

 

[Xelarion]

Yeah, I'd rather we get whole chapters. Cutting it up only feels like you're making more work for yourself--and for us--in terms of your schedule.

 

[Mortune]

Does anyone think Waffles will join Ed on this 100-world retry?
I think Waffles will give up his hero title to Doben and travel with Ed. IMO, it's either Waffles or Mimilu....

 

[auriga]

I'm saying they need give that particular reading session a proper ending, not the story itself. Comprehend me?

What we're getting now is having the chapters end like th-...

Yes; I get you, lol. Chopping whole chapters up is stupid, moreso if it happens at a weird spot.

You said that artists are hired for a monthly long chapter, and the publisher cuts it up? Then stop hiring the artist for one long monthly chapter, and hire him for four weekly chapters instead.

You need to consider that 1) a weekly serialization is generally unhealthy for the artists and 2) in order to keep up with a weekly deadline they're going to have to sacrifice some of the quality we've been getting so far. Sure, we can get genuine weekly chapters, but at what cost? Readers are likely going to end up dealing with and complaining about a different issue.

Or stipulate to the artist that there's 'end points' every 12 pages or so - I'm not saying that all the plot threads and every plot thread needs to get completed; just that the pages shouldn't end so jarringly; because cutting off mid-sentence, or mid-action like it is now is dumb and annoying.

You're forgetting that editors exist.

This is valid, but like I said earlier asking for clean breakpoints every few pages adds to the things the artist needs to contend with. It's simply easier said than done.

Again, I get what you're saying. It's just that you're asking for an additional burden to be put on the creatives to offset a stupid business model they have no control over. What has to change here isn't how the artists or authors work but the shitty money grubbing that guys in suits are doing. And chapters shouldn't be split into parts in the first place. That's all I'm saying.

 

[TheWritingWriter]

This would work so well as a 12 episode anime. Episode 10 or 11 would be when they defeat el lord de demon. Then Tia spends one or two episodes researching for the teleport spell and in the final episode we’ll get the touching reunion of Ed and Tia before they march through the door to the second world in the final scene.

 

[REDRED]

I mean I like full chapters. waiting does suck. but I prefer just the one

 

[YAMEROOO3]

Yeah, I'd rather wait longer for the full chapter

 

[notAKAI_]

thank you for the chapters
and take your meds bro 😭

 

[doonser]

thanks for the TL! i dunno about anyone else, but i personally would prefer chapter releases.

 

[thatNEET_]

I'm not a furry, but Mimiru is pretty damn cute.

 

[EMJzero]

We back! Nice! Thanks for the scans!!

And…I don’t know if it’s a good thing, but I wasted at least 5min laughing at your comic strip at the end, that recursive self-awareness was so damn well timed ahah!

As for releases, personally I think full chapters would work better, just because they are not sliced in a way that makes much sense…