Tsuihou Suru Gawa no Monogatari - Vol. 2 Ch. 12 - Detour

[YamiryuuZero]

I really wonder if the the author will address the Est situation since it clearly is bothering his readers or if he just keeps on trucking. In a way it keeps people reading because it is so shameless

This is an adaptation of a Light Novel. The source material was cut short due to low ratings, and the manga adapts the work in its entirety, lasting for only 30 chapters.

I have read the last chapter, since the raws are out, and let me tell you,

Spoiler

it's a big cop out!

 

[monkey123]

So many people downvote this manga to the ground and still read it!

 

[Iskarioth]

This is an adaptation of a Light Novel. The source material was cut short due to low ratings, and the manga adapts the work in its entirety, lasting for only 30 chapters.

I have read the last chapter, since the raws are out, and let me tell you,

Spoiler

it's a big cop out!

Figures. Talk about digging your own stories grave in chapter one with a premise like that.

 

[YamiryuuZero]

Figures. Talk about digging your own stories grave in chapter one with a premise like that.

Ironically enough, this story could have worked if the author had played the trope straight.

Instead of focusing on a bunch of hypocrites who could all have saved the banished guy but chose not to for no real valid reason and then refused to fix the misunderstandings solely because the author wants to get that Daru x Athena ship sailing, the author should have made them all be dickheads on purpose and simply played the same average "banished from the party" straight, just from the party's perspective.

Imagine if we had been accompanying these idiots comically failing in their adventures time and time again, slowly coming to the realization that they kicked the guy that was carrying the party, eventually accepting that they screwed themselves over, and when they go invite the guy back to the party, he's either too powerful for them, found a better party or has died trying to prove his worth alone in the dungeon.

With the first half of the story showing how dependent they all were on the guy they banished, and the second half being about the party on the brick of disbanding because they have lost the guy forever, and then having to figure out how they will handle the situation going forward now that everyone has to carry their own weight and properly learn to synergize with each other, I'm sure we could have got a pretty good story!

The main issue here is that the author tried to put the antagonists on the seat of the protagonist, and in order to do that, he had to give each member virtues attributed to heroes (never give up, always think of your friends, is actually secretly strong, training arc, etc.), and ended up giving Est villainous attribute (mocks those bellow him, treats women unfairly, gloats to others around him, etc.) to make them look better in comparison. If he had made the main characters villainous and Est heroic, but the story played from the perspective of the antagonists, this could have been gold!

But alas, the author was not self aware enough to have a good idea beyond an interesting premise.

 

[Rex_Nichts]

I didn't actually read the chapter, I'm just here to read the comments on how much lower the protagonists has stooped. And I gotta say, it's going great.

It's not like the previous installments that dropped the ratings by entire 0.3 points, now we only see 0.02 points dropped but I don't doubt we can go lower. We just have to believe.

I'd like to thank the translators for going out of their way to give us this fun activity we can all participate in. Let's get those numbers lower! Woo!!

 

[shockdemon]

Ironically enough, this story could have worked if the author had played the trope straight.

Instead of focusing on a bunch of hypocrites who could all have saved the banished guy but chose not to for no real valid reason and then refused to fix the misunderstandings solely because the author wants to get that Daru x Athena ship sailing, the author should have made them all be dickheads on purpose and simply played the same average "banished from the party" straight, just from the party's perspective.

Imagine if we had been accompanying these idiots comically failing in their adventures time and time again, slowly coming to the realization that they kicked the guy that was carrying the party, eventually accepting that they screwed themselves over, and when they go invite the guy back to the party, he's either too powerful for them, found a better party or has died trying to prove his worth alone in the dungeon.

With the first half of the story showing how dependent they all were on the guy they banished, and the second half being about the party on the brick of disbanding because they have lost the guy forever, and then having to figure out how they will handle the situation going forward now that everyone has to carry their own weight and properly learn to synergize with each other, I'm sure we could have got a pretty good story!

The main issue here is that the author tried to put the antagonists on the seat of the protagonist, and in order to do that, he had to give each member virtues attributed to heroes (never give up, always think of your friends, is actually secretly strong, training arc, etc.), and ended up giving Est villainous attribute (mocks those bellow him, treats women unfairly, gloats to others around him, etc.) to make them look better in comparison. If he had made the main characters villainous and Est heroic, but the story played from the perspective of the antagonists, this could have been gold!

But alas, the author was not self aware enough to have a good idea beyond an interesting premise.

Why couldn't this have been the story instead of this? I read up to ch2 when it came out stopped cause i figured it wasn't gonna be good the way it was, came back read up to 6 to give it a chance and it still failed to meet my already low expectations, it's really sad to see a concept not seen a lot that could have been great just fall so hard cause the author didn't want to actually provide a good base.

 

[packnerz]

Oh thanks for the update, i didnt read it but I totally forgot that I wanted to drop this trash of a series after reading spoiler on main thread,


Dont get me wrong, I relish trash most of the time, isekai trash, villainess trash, and so on

but this is literal trash trash , I can tell I wont enjoy it one bit in the long run and refuse to invest anymore on it,

As a "trash collector" myself, I'm relieved that I can still identify the difference between "trash title" and a "shit title". This title is "shit" tier manga. I'm still reading this maybe because i want to punch the mc's hypocrite face.

 

[demonslender]

ah as expected this comment section will never fail to disappoint me. the hate daru gets is just as unreal and unfounded as always. the man does nothing wrong and he gets hate. i bet a million bucks if the mc looked his age instead of looking 30 or if est was the mc no one would be this mad at him for doing literally the standard protagonist things he's been doing this whole time.

 

[icantcook]

ah as expected this comment section will never fail to disappoint me. the hate daru gets is just as unreal and unfounded as always. the man does nothing wrong and he gets hate. i bet a million bucks if the mc looked his age instead of looking 30 or if est was the mc no one would be this mad at him for doing literally the standard protagonist things he's been doing this whole time.

You say unfounded and yet you didn't even show it. You're just saying that to dismiss others opinion and enforcing your own bias and afterwards with that mil or whatever you're just putting out straw man whataboutism argument to enforce your own beliefs.

 

[Melvin_VT]

Est it was just a misunderstanding, proceeds to go on a date with her!

 

[flannan]

Yet another manga moment when they praise a woman's new dress, but it totally sucks compared to what she was wearing before that.

ah as expected this comment section will never fail to disappoint me. the hate daru gets is just as unreal and unfounded as always. the man does nothing wrong and he gets hate. i bet a million bucks if the mc looked his age instead of looking 30 or if est was the mc no one would be this mad at him for doing literally the standard protagonist things he's been doing this whole time.

Look, it is fine that Daru is the sort of mentor protagonist commonly found in other series. What is not fine, is that he is a failure as a mentor.
For example, he did not tell them the basic fact that it's perfectly normal for a party to have vulnerable members, and that's what the party's tank is for. Or they could go the opposite route, and give the party's support spellcaster heavy armor and a shield, like with D&D clerics, to ensure his survivability even without defensive magic.
He also not only did not resolve the misunderstanding, he made it unresolvable by hiding the whole incident from Athena, and also making a point of showing off his love for Athena in front of Est when they met at the guild.
And it took him a whole month to give a lesson about importance of teamwork.

 

[demonslender]

Yet another manga moment when they praise a woman's new dress, but it totally sucks compared to what she was wearing before that.

Look, it is fine that Daru is the sort of mentor protagonist commonly found in other series. What is not fine, is that he is a failure as a mentor.
For example, he did not tell them the basic fact that it's perfectly normal for a party to have vulnerable members, and that's what the party's tank is for. Or they could go the opposite route, and give the party's support spellcaster heavy armor and a shield, like with D&D clerics, to ensure his survivability even without defensive magic.
He also not only did not resolve the misunderstanding, he made it unresolvable by hiding the whole incident from Athena, and also making a point of showing off his love for Athena in front of Est when they met at the guild.
And it took him a whole month to give a lesson about importance of teamwork.

ha ha, that was a good one. except daru never took on the role of mentor for them. he was just a member of the party doing his role as a swordsman until the party completely started falling apart and he was forced to take on such a role. est was completely ignoring anything daru had to say so it's not his fault the misunderstanding couldn't be fixed but est's fault. and let's not forget that daru was the only one that was against est being kicked out the party but ultimately it was athena(the party leader)'s decision to make. i fortunately have enough reading comprehension to not be a dumbass that only pins all the blame on daru while ignoring literally every one else's faults.

athena made a choice in order to protect est from dying, daru was against that choice but let her make the final call as the party leader, est threw a hissy fit and refused to listen to any explanations, daru decided that he wasn't going to bother convincing est to listen anymore if he was going to keep acting that way, athena never even bothered to explain anything to est, and the mage girl always hated est to begin with because she's a lesbo. daru's only fault in this whole situation was just letting things play out on their own. the only one's that should be getting any hate are athena for never even trying to explain anything and est for not wanting to hear any explanation.

 

[flannan]

ha ha, that was a good one. except daru never took on the role of mentor for them. he was just a member of the party doing his role as a swordsman until the party completely started falling apart and he was forced to take on such a role. est was completely ignoring anything daru had to say so it's not his fault the misunderstanding couldn't be fixed but est's fault. and let's not forget that daru was the only one that was against est being kicked out the party but ultimately it was athena(the party leader)'s decision to make. i fortunately have enough reading comprehension to not be a dumbass that only pins all the blame on daru while ignoring literally every one else's faults.

athena made a choice in order to protect est from dying, daru was against that choice but let her make the final call as the party leader, est threw a hissy fit and refused to listen to any explanations, daru decided that he wasn't going to bother convincing est to listen anymore if he was going to keep acting that way, athena never even bothered to explain anything to est, and the mage girl always hated est to begin with because she's a lesbo. daru's only fault in this whole situation was just letting things play out on their own. the only one's that should be getting any hate are athena for never even trying to explain anything and est for not wanting to hear any explanation.

That is the thing with mentor archetype - he does bear sole responsibility for other people's faults. Because overcoming them is his job, just like it's a healer's job to heal physical wounds of the rest of the party. That's how support jobs roll. It's only the damage-dealers who have this selfish kind of thinking as "it's the healer's fault".
And if he did not do the mentor role properly before the party hit a dead end, that also makes him a failure as a mentor.

Look, this archetype only looks good when the mentor has an extra-large portion of wisdom and foresight. If the author can't write that, he should have wrote a power-of-friendship kid saving the party instead. Athena certainly could have done it.

 

[demonslender]

That is the thing with mentor archetype - he does bear sole responsibility for other people's faults. Because overcoming them is his job, just like it's a healer's job to heal physical wounds of the rest of the party. That's how support jobs roll. It's only the damage-dealers who have this selfish kind of thinking as "it's the healer's fault".
And if he did not do the mentor role properly before the party hit a dead end, that also makes him a failure as a mentor.

Look, this archetype only looks good when the mentor has an extra-large portion of wisdom and foresight. If the author can't write that, he should have wrote a power-of-friendship kid saving the party instead. Athena certainly could have done it.

once again daru was not their mentor. they recruited him because athena thought he looked similar to her childhood hero, not so that he could mentor them. and once again, daru never blamed est nor chided him for being weak nor blamed him for anything and was the only one that wanted him to stay in the party. i'm almost 100% certain we did not read the same manga because i don't know where you got the impression that daru was their mentor at any point before the dragon girl joined and i have no idea where you're getting the impression that daru was calling him a liability that needed to go. that was athena and the lesbo mage that thought of est as a burden. so for the last time and this time in all caps and boldened DARU WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTED EST TO STAY IN THE PARTY!!!

 

[flannan]

once again daru was not their mentor. they recruited him because athena thought he looked similar to her childhood hero, not so that he could mentor them. and once again, daru never blamed est nor chided him for being weak nor blamed him for anything and was the only one that wanted him to stay in the party. i'm almost 100% certain we did not read the same manga because i don't know where you got the impression that daru was their mentor at any point before the dragon girl joined and i have no idea where you're getting the impression that daru was calling him a liability that needed to go. that was athena and the lesbo mage that thought of est as a burden. so for the last time and this time in all caps and boldened DARU WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTED EST TO STAY IN THE PARTY!!!

Daru is very much a mentor protagonist. Regardless of what his nominal job is. Pretty much everything he does throughout the manga, is trying to get the rest of the party into shape.
But he is bad at it, which makes him look bad for the readers.
A character has to be either really good at what he does, or hilariously bad at what he does. Taking the middle ground is just mediocrity, which would never find love among the readers. At least, unless the author can play the situation for "moe".