Tsuyokute New Saga - Vol. 7 Ch. 62

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@givemersspls this is one of those manga I skip around on, skip months at a time, so i can't be sure about this DL, but it's a bad idea to let anyone with the ambition to challenge the throne live after they fail.
 
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Quite a funny dinner. It's depicted successfully with the different species with their own preferences and preconceptions.
 
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@CountryMage Thats more a cultural difference between you and the demons. That rule works because demons have different codes of conduct and such than humans. They respect strength, they do not see the throne being taken as a bad thing, they do not gain it through schemes etc. All they need is power and the strong should rule in their minds. Like she said they are welcome to the throne if they can beat her. Anyone is welcome to sit on the throne if they are strong enough to take it.

The demon lord does not hold onto the throne and try to shut down challengers to it. They hold it with strength and take on challengers fairly to prove they are the most worthy. You just thought that like a human they would feel the need to hold it with other measures and tactics, that holding it was what mattered and not the strength to do so. You also assumed background machinations would be used by scorned demons seeking power they could not gain through their own strength. Thats not really a demon thing to do though.

Sure it could come up but the fact the demon world works like this means scheming to take the throne isn't much of a thing. If your not strong enough to hold it the system would punish you after all and not taking it through force would show weakness. The other demons may also turn against you if they believe you not fit for rule. On the other hand if they work themselves to the bone to become powerful enough to take the throne, good for them.
 
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The huge demon using utensils makes him look like he's playing with doll-house cutlery, with how giant he is.
 
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@givemersspls: "Then that proves my point. It's not that simple. How are the judges picked? What criteria do the judges use in adjudicating the battles? How much time between battles to allow for rest? The concept of strong rules is honestly not that simple."
That boils down to one of the fundamental dilemmas of existence. The Search for the Origin or children's "But why is that? But why? Why? And why?..."-game. Why does matter behave that way? Why do Atoms behave that way/What are they made of? But why do Quark and Lepton have those constant values embedded in them? How is the manifold cut that way? Aso. Questions like those lose themselves either in the details or leave the boundaries of our knowledge. At some point idealism has to step aside to give realism leeway. The judges are the oldest and basta. Of course that isn't a perfect way to decide things, but it must do. (Wait, that's not really the position I want to take up. eeehhrr...) Buuuuut that's also the reason to challenge traditions and the current ways. You have to challenge them all the time to see if there aren't better ways, that might have opened up in the mean time. (Yeah! That's more like it! Wai...wha.what was that post about again?)
 
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I'm pretty sure the "hero" Randolf used some despicable means to kill the Demon Lord. Like threatening hostages, or something.

But human historians just wrote he won.
 
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@l3avemdead the low quality crap is free, the high quality is easily available in the kindle store (32$ for all the 6 volumes, around ch. 48)
 
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Is this the case of the new demon lord being the cumination of all previous demon lords?
 
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@Merilirem they have been shown to scheme in the background though, and there are at least a few that are sore losers, that guy that got his horn cut off comes to mind. So it's not too hard to believe that someone might have a grudge, after losing the challenge.
 
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@Kirin-kun

I concur to what you said about the way he won. It does fit the way humans in the upper echelon are portrayed in this manga. Especially the royal family looks like they fit quite well between the Medici and Machiavelli's political agenda..
 
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Ilmera and Gruldo... what chapter did they appear in this manga?... i forgot...
 
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@givemersspls: Ouuhh...I did not want to offend you or anything. I am awfully sorry, if my reply sounded rude. That was not my intention.

I only mentioned the child-game example to emphasize on how fundamental and deeply rooted that search for a reason is in us human. (Because even children begin to ask those questions and we don't stop when have grown up.) I didn't want to make short of anyone with it. I believe "the search for the Origin" is a better name for it.

I fear I also didn't elaborate on the "the judges are the oldest and basta" point enough. In that example on how to pick a judge for a tribal leader election I should have written, "They simply pick the oldest people around. Those don't have to be the wisest, most knowledgeable or even fair people around, but because of their age chances are good, they are indeed the people with the highest share of those qualities around. So it might become a general rule, because it would be tedious to look into every person to find a judge/the judges, as everyone has a skeleton hidden in the closet. Therefore it becomes a general rule most concur with at some point and therefore then "Basta!", even if it might not the a fool-prove method."

When I read your "How are the judges picked?" post, I got the impression, that in the way, it has been formulated (not necessarily intended on your part), it strongly implies to look into finding a satisfactory solution, but without drawing a line, when to stop and settle for one solution. That really looked very idealistic to me, so I couldn't help myself and wanted to pick up that point.

For me it seems we differ on the point, what is more idealistic. "The quest for a very simple solution to a problem & the believe, that those solutions will work out in most cases." or "The quest for a nearly optimal solution to a problem & and the believe, that those are nearly always worth the work to find those." And meanwhile we both think, we are advocates of "The search for the best possible solution to a problem." 🤣 Neither of us is looking for "the simplest of all" or "the perfect" solution. I reckon we are even on quite similar grounds. "One should put in effort in looking for a solution that works good, while not losing oneself in the details, that aren't worth it."
The "Welp, can't be helped. Just pick what superficially makes the most sense! It will work just fine." and "But we have to really, really look into this matter, to make sure everyone can concur on that." positions are both extreme and naive. I also strongly believe we are on common ground with that.

I really hope, I didn't darken your mood too much yesterday and that this post here makes up for it a bit.

Actually, I'd like to see me as an idealist, but I fear a already strayed to far from that point. Though I began to see, that people, who are pragmatists, won't be able to save the world and only a people with their foots not on the ground won't be stuck in that swamp, we've created to keep us from saving ourselves. If I am a idealistic believer, so be it. (That'd be nice and at least I'm not a belieber.)
 
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@Xitel wait... are they the dragons that rampaging the humans?... the son of the leader dragon?... i did not see them in their human form or maybe i forgot...
 
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@zetsuravez Yeah, I think that's Gruldo. I'm not entirely sure though, because it's been a while and like you said I don't remember seeing him in human form. I don't remember the other one at all though.
 

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