Tsuyokute New Saga - Vol. 8 Ch. 74

[Sep10trion]

He should have taken the Aqua option and forced her to come along

 

[alterionz]

"my god is better than your god"

 

[Miserys_End]

So! The goddess is told to take a step back and just watch it happen. As no furth orders will be coming down from on high, all her followers shall now follow their last instructions to capture the MC, and maintain the path to human supremacy. If fact, as she goes silent, her followers will increase their efforts because they will interpret the silence as their goddess losing faith in them.

Hence why he should have worded it more along the lines of: "I want you and your worshippers to step back, do nothing and just watch."

 

[cor3zone]

@Miserys_End
End effect would probably be the same. They are already fractured in their intentions, and supremacists tend to attract extremists. Her being coerced into giving specific orders would show in her mannerisms, and devoted followers might pick up on that. Or they may just decide to act on their own judgment anyway, following the teachings of Melra as they interpret them.

We see it all the time in religions in our reality too. Simple messages like 'love' or 'understanding' from prophets being turned into 'holy' wars to purge 'heretics'. Xenophobia is part of human instinct, unfortunately. No amount of word lawyering on Kail's part would ever curb the more extreme Melra worshippers.

 

[Xcaliblaster]

Remember when humanity belived and relied on various god and there were no advance in human mentality? What he wants is progress

 

[thegoatrider]

well she ended up being cuter than expected

 

[dethduck]

Still, though. You gotta give Keil credit.
He's got the balls to tell a god to "Sit down and shut the fuck up!"

 

[Mnuchinboo]

Now if he just said that to every god and murder all the elda- *cough* elves he can become the master of mankind.

 

[Darcow]

WTF is it with all the exposition? Is this manga gonna get cancelled?

 

[4V29LN0n]

What a bitch.

 

[MangoCo]

Pretty meh chapter, the King wasn't a big reveal and there wasn't to much shocking stuff

 

[Red225]

@Rin2k there's nothing wrong with the easy way as long as the easy way doesn't vanish suddenly.

The only thing that striving to get better by yourself is that it's harder to take from you, unlike external power. There's no great honour in that. And even then, it's not like even self-earned power can be lost.

"Getting better by yourself"? Give me a break. A fit body can be taken from you in a moment of accident or malice. Health can degrade through no fault of your own. Knowledge and skill can be lost over time, or mental or physical head trauma or dementia.

If this was a perfect world, and everyone lived forever and everyone could have access to food, water and shelter as much as they wanted, then sure, striving to better yourself and not seek outside help is fine.
But this isn't a perfect world. And we don't live forever. Here's your lifespan in months. Try ticking it off, and see how much of it on average you have left.

How long are you going to strive to better yourself when you have a limited time on this world? How much of a percentage of your life will you toil, to be "better"? What is the purpose of being "better"?
If you can see you will never reach your goal with your own two hands, is striving to reach it and fail and never achieving your goal something beautiful?

Sometimes what people need is one break, one lucky success, and it doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it drags you out of the mud and mire of basic survival.

 

[Rin2k]

@Red225 You serious? literally the point of my comment is that the gods have to take a backseat and to not mingle in human mundane affairs, you know, like MC asked and the other Goddess also suggested. The inhabitants of said world have to do the heavy lifting by themselves, as simple as that.

That graphic and the long ass rant justification means absolutely nothing (like all our comments in this website, really) to what the author is trying to portray here.

 

[stilgar]

@Xcaliblaster no, I don't remember that

 

[Jeirien]

@Kanol I am guessing along the line of Wally storyline(human became lazy fat ) and Grandia(ancient people cease to work as they cease their ambition and dream .

And also that infamous series of rat/mouse experiments of Calhoun( mice/rats was placed in an enclosure and given all the food and water they need. They ended up dying out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

My guess is in that first world , the gods/goddesses ended up recreated the condition that is in Calhoun's experiment.

 

[DerpySausage]

@Jeirien remember that those experiments and their conclusions were never convincingly linked to human behaviour. Additionally, there have been studies since that directly contradicted the conclusions reached in the mouse utopia experiments.

On a side note, "humans destroy perfect world" was done better in Magi where there was a more convincing destruction of the world via a tangible cause. Kind of disappointed they just said that it happened, explained basically nothing and then just left it at that.

 

[Kanol]

@Jeirien Man that wiki article makes that look like an incredibly poorly run experiment. Is that because it's referenced from secondary sources? Not that it should have taken an experiment to discover that cramming two thousand rats in a tiny room with just food and water leads to a lot of dead and insane rats. It's a weirdly dramatic leap to say the rats were "on their way to extinction" though. Were they not removing dead rats? Selection pressures tend to cap a population at a sustainable level be they predation, disease or overcrowding.

I mean yeah, humans are short sighted self destructive idiots and ruining our planet like they did in Wally is well within our wheelhouse. But how do you f'ck up that hard when you can literally lean on a god and be like "hey god, this planet's got a lot of trash heaps. Can you recycle all that and patch that hole in the ozone? Also how about giving mars an atmosphere and moving all those jerks that don't share our ideology there kthnx"

Let's be real though, the author probably didn't actually think it through beyond "There was a world before this one where we gods were super helpful and they all died because our help was so helpful and through no fault of our own. "

Edit: Beaten by a derpy sausage. Glorious.

 

[MCX01]

So we get a Garden of Eden reference and it wasn't the humans that fucked up, but the gods them self. That makes me pleased... humanize the gods.

 

[Kaarme]

@MCX01 The gods of the old, polytheistic religions were like that, very much fallible and limited in scope. Like the Greek gods or the Norse gods. I imagine also the Shinto gods, though I'm not well-versed with those, apart from manga and light novels, which is the same as not knowing anything but a few names. I bet Hinduism as well, though once again I don't know enough to be sure. Such gods are naturally far more interesting than the monotheism god, which is just a faceless, omnipotent force.

 

[Disguised22]

@kaarme Shinto "gods" aren't quite gods by our western standards (at least not traditionally, but western influence has probably changed how they're percieved), but more like embodiments of natural phenomena. Shinto has also been very heavily influenced by Buddhism (including the deities) so it can be hard to say what parts started out as purely Shinto and which aspects came in later. You could probably argue that natural disasters could have sometimes been seen as not just the result of angry gods, but maybe the result of some god fucking up. A lot of information on older religions is largely speculation, so who really knows.

Also, @kanol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o for an in depth explanation.