Ueno-kun wa Kaihatsuzumi - Ch. 72 - Kanako’s Confession

[Esgar]

I don't know if that's comparable, though honestly I can't put my finger on why.

But let's look at what Ueno did. It's a clear sexual predator move. I don't know how much it happens in Japan but it is a recurring plot point in their cultural output, so I'd say it feels to them like it happens a lot.

So what do they do? They flip that on him. They go at it completely disproportionately. They know that if it was known, he'd get socially destroyed, and they feel validated by society into thinking that puts them above him, morally speaking. Can you see how one thing leads to another, how his actions, society's expectations, and their own feelings of being violated and their wish to turn that around would lead them to do what they did?


And if you feel like I'm saying they're right to do so, read my posts again. However justified they felt, they took justice into their own hands and destroyed his life (almost? At least for a time, until he valiantly put it back together despite their efforts).

If they were to truly do the right thing, they'd have told the teachers, or they'd have told him to get lost and never speak to them again, or something else that isn't bullying and rape. But they saw this as an opportunity to finally feel strong and superior, flip the script on someone who would predate on them.

You think that stealing gym clothes is a sexual predator move, but sneaking naked pictures of someone is not? I used that as MUCH worse example than stealing clothes (and literally doing nothing with said clothes).

The difference in their actions is so absolutely vast that I don't understand how anyone can even begin with "weellll, you know he is actually wrong, too..." To call it "taking justice into their own hands" is an absolutely absurd way to describe raping someone for perving on your clothes lol.

Like I said, how do you react to my example with the genders reversed? If you still think that girl sneaking naked pictures is less severe than him stealing gym clothes, assume that the girl did the exact same thing. Assume that he rapes her as punishment. Are you truly still going to go around saying "well, she started it and influenced him to do it"?

Whatever man, you do you, but I just can't wrap my head around viewing this person as anything but a victim and his rapists as anything but just that: rapists. Implying that he was at fault in any way is just absurd to me.

 

[TroubleFait]

Like I said, how do you react to my example with the genders reversed? If you still think that girl sneaking naked pictures is less severe than him stealing gym clothes, assume that the girl did the exact same thing.

See, the issue is that I've literally never read a story where the girl did that. Culturally, there seem to be no framework that designates such a girl as a dangerous predator and a morally repugnant person.

So it would be more farfetched for a boy who had this done to him by a girl, to believe now it's fair game to do anything he wants to her.

 

[Esgar]

See, the issue is that I've literally never read a story where the girl did that. Culturally, there seem to be no framework that designates such a girl as a dangerous predator and a morally repugnant person.

So it would be more farfetched for a boy who had this done to him by a girl, to believe now it's fair game to do anything he wants to her.

No guy has chosen to use blackmail to rape a woman lol? Is that culturally farfetched? How likely is it that we see a scenario such as that which we have in this manga? I think it's rather unlikely to begin with. So what's wrong with my comparison? And what does it being "far-fetched" have to do with this at all? That just means that the guy has less power over the victim in that scenario, making these women even bigger predators and cowards.

There are plenty of cases of girls spreading revenge porn of boys. I chose sneaking a picture because it is worse than what he did and it's not far-fetched at all for it to happen. So, what if a guy who had revenge porn spread about him by a girl chose to "punish" her this way? What if he took a picture of her and used that as blackmail? And then raped her for years like these women did? Would you then say, "well, she started it! She influenced him!" Mind you, in this scenario, that the girl would have done infinitely worse than what Ueno did, spreading nudes of the guy.

I dont see how culture is important here beyond how the perpetrator and victim are treated. We know that both men and women are perpetrators and victims. So, what is it that stops you from taking my example with the reversed genders seriously? Why wouldn't you say the same thing in that scenario? I genuinely don't get it.