Ueno-kun wa Kaihatsuzumi - Ch. 78 - Twisted Thoughts

[Mikael.L]

I actually agree. Chisaki feels real mutual attraction with him which isn't true with Manaka. Honestly, it feels like he and Manaka are more in love with the idea of having a normal romance to cover the shame of their fetishes than they are actually in love with each other. The act like close friends. He's come far closer go acting like a lover with Chisaki than with Manaka.

I think Chisaki does love him, and I think she will eventually have a more direct confrontation with Manaka because of it (which seems to be what Moka wants).

Also, I'd hate it if the ending to this fetish manga was "You shouldn't indulge your fetishes. You should have a normal relationship with a woman you have no sexual chemistry with."

You dont have to asume it, they stated it directly, not to cover their shames or forget them but overcome them by discovering feelings as heavy and embracing that would replace the regret they keep by living.

Also is not even sexual chemistry is a trauma, it was never Ueno's fetish to be masoquist. Its the result of the constant bullying, for Manaka's side, she was being manipulated.

 

[Goldni]

i hope its a orgy kinda fight

 

[WanTsuSuri]

The story pivoting into another way to show case the title of development is a very interesting direction. I really like it and I'm really curious how the author will continue to build the story and the sex appeal of the narrative. Ueno and Moka could be a very interesting pairing based on how they explore their sexuality with each other. Don't underestimate love and the desire to please your partner. They won't be quick about it but it doesn't mean they should give up.

 

[martianpaws]

That’s an awful lot of words to say she loves Ueno

 

[Kanelel]

Also is not even sexual chemistry is a trauma, it was never Ueno's fetish to be masoquist.

Complete lie. He was into it day 1 minute 1. Reread the flashback chapters.

I'm constantly amazed that there are so many people reading this femdom bullying manga and rooting against the femdom bullies. Just reading all the sexy bullying scenes shaking your head like "Oh my god these horrible bitches keep molesting this poor boy! Won't someone stop them!" Dick completely soft. What are we doing here? This is an ecchi manga. This is erotica.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

I actually agree. Chisaki feels real mutual attraction with him which isn't true with Manaka. Honestly, it feels like he and Manaka are more in love with the idea of having a normal romance to cover the shame of their fetishes than they are actually in love with each other. The act like close friends. He's come far closer go acting like a lover with Chisaki than with Manaka.

I think Chisaki does love him, and I think she will eventually have a more direct confrontation with Manaka because of it (which seems to be what Moka wants).

Also, I'd hate it if the ending to this fetish manga was "You shouldn't indulge your fetishes. You should have a normal relationship with a woman you have no sexual chemistry with."

I really have no clue how you ended up reading it this way when to me it has been pretty clear as early as the Moka situation with her ex that the direction here is something like "you shouldn't let past traumas and fetishes that come with them to dictate your life, just because the past has been negatively affected by indulging in those fetishes at the cost of enjoying your life doesn't mean that the present can't be different and that you can't be happy with yourself and develop further". That's what it felt like to me since quite a lot of chapters ago. Yeah, it started as a fetish manga. And then the author wanted to write more to it than that. I don't see the issue. And the whole point to these last chapters was that sexual things can be developed if you love someone that much. Yknow, not letting a relationship be just about yourself/pleasing yourself but also the other person? Am I the crazy one here for reading it this way?

 

[Jethzki]

I know theyre all being honest right now but these people are such horndogs man, its like 80% of the thoughts in their head is just sex all the time

 

[Ta123]

Wait we're getting closer to ueno not ending with tsubomi!!!

Im sorry my brother, best thing we got that tsubomi will be a close friend with them and may become the cool aunt in the future for their kids

 

[gurt21]

Ueno is friends with Monaka. When a kiss from another girl deos more for him than attempted sex it's best to just stay friends. Monaka may have been in an abusive relationship, but adult Ueno was not.

Ueno dating Monaka is the equivalent of a gay guy dating a girl, doesn't work. Even if he thinks he may want to.

And the girls aren't even mean to him anymore and he still likes it. At best it's harsh role-play at this point.

 

[Kanelel]

I really have no clue how you ended up reading it this way when to me it has been pretty clear as early as the Moka situation with her ex that the direction here is something like "you shouldn't let past traumas and fetishes that come with them to dictate your life, just because the past has been negatively affected by indulging in those fetishes at the cost of enjoying your life doesn't mean that the present can't be different and that you can't be happy with yourself and develop further". That's what it felt like to me since quite a lot of chapters ago. Yeah, it started as a fetish manga. And then the author wanted to write more to it than that. I don't see the issue. And the whole point to these last chapters was that sexual things can be developed if you love someone that much. Yknow, not letting a relationship be just about yourself/pleasing yourself but also the other person? Am I the crazy one here for reading it this way?

Frankly, the issue is that Moka is a pretty boring charater, the author isn't that good at writing drama, and I just don't have much investment in their relationship. I just don't feel the chemistry. Neither of them has a strong personality, and they're not that cute together. They don't even want to fuck each other. Feels like they're trying to force something that's not woking to work. By contrast as soon as he's in the same room as Chisaki, they struggle not rip their clothes off and start fucking. It's like they're addicted to each other. That's a real connection.

Obviously, in an erotic manga (even one with drama elements) I'm going to root for the most erotic relationship over the least erotic relationship. People are saying that there's a difference between erotic attraction and romantic attraction, and sure, there is, but I also don't think they're completely seperate. I don't think you can kiss and fuck someone and enjoy it on a regular basis without feeling some sort of affection. Maybe if you're a true cold hearted mf you could, but I don't think we're meant to think that about our main characters. I think Chisaki and Ueno are more in love with each other than either wants to admit. Ueno has repeatedly been a more active participant in his relationship with Chisaki than he wants to admit. There were many times when he could have rejected her but chose not to, and that's why he feels so much guilt about it.

But there's nothing to feel guilty over. There's nothing wrong with wanting to fuck Chisaki. They are in no way incompatible. Their relationship is only toxic because Ueno's guilt and shame makes him want to pull away, and because Chisaki's pride prevents her from admitting that she's in love with him. If they just started dating and openly admitted what they want from each other, they could easily have a healthy BDSM-esque relationship.

Rather than trying to force the girl he's incompatible with to become someone he finds attractive, he should try to make things work with the girl he's obsessed with making out with.

 

[MrPP118]

Frankly, the issue is that Moka is a pretty boring charater, the author isn't that good at writing drama, and I just don't have much investment in their relationship. I just don't feel the chemistry. Neither of them has a strong personality, and they're not that cute together. They don't even want to fuck each other. Feels like they're trying to force something that's not woking to work. By contrast as soon as he's in the same room as Chisaki, they struggle not rip their clothes off and start fucking. It's like they're addicted to each other. That's a real connection.

Obviously, in an erotic manga (even one with drama elements) I'm going to root for the most erotic relationship over the least erotic relationship. People are saying that there's a difference between erotic attraction and romantic attraction, and sure, there is, but I also don't think they're completely seperate. I don't think you can kiss and fuck someone and enjoy it on a regular basis without feeling some sort of affection. Maybe if you're a true cold hearted mf you could, but I don't think we're meant to think that about our main characters. I think Chisaki and Ueno are more in love with each other than either wants to admit. Ueno has repeatedly been a more active participant in his relationship with Chisaki than he wants to admit. There were many times when he could have rejected her but chose not to, and that's why he feels so much guilt about it.

But there's nothing to feel guilty over. There's nothing wrong with wanting to fuck Chisaki. They are in no way incompatible. Their relationship is only toxic because Ueno's guilt and shame makes him want to pull away, and because Chisaki's pride prevents her from admitting that she's in love with him. If they just started dating and openly admitted what they want from each other, they could easily have a healthy BDSM-esque relationship.

Rather than trying to force the girl he's incompatible with to become someone he finds attractive, he should try to make things work with the girl he's obsessed with making out with.

A relationship between Ueno and Chisaki just won't work out though, them being sexually compatible is a moot point at this stage.

The fact is, even if you find Moka boring, she's the one Ueno wants to be with and this series being erotic has never mattered to me, I'll choose to support the relationship where MC thinks he can find happiness.

 

[chiga-kun]

ch 79 leaked very good .. the translation was suck but i guess the things got though