Urenokori no Dorei Elf wo Hirotta node, Musume ni Suru Koto ni Shita - Ch. 24.1

[radstylix]

She gets away with being princess-carried at least

 

[radstylix]

Oh boy i sure love strong independent women who can take care of themselves. Huh? What’s that? We cant have that? Oh. Guess you’re going in the slop pile.

Tbh, we could do with female characters needing SOME help now and then because Hollyweird ruined that by making most of them unlikeable... although not in this case because of Ziegline's relatively high position.

 

[Jatopian]

Good news! He said that about a totally different person the thug was holding hostage.

shit u right. Still showed a pretty ruthless side of him, but I think she knew that already. Imagine hearing it as that poor hostage girl tho lol

Tbh, we could do with female characters needing SOME help now and then because Hollyweird ruined that by making most of them unlikeable... although not in this case because of Ziegline's relatively high position.

Is Ziegline supposed to be good at combat? She's supposed to be smart but I don't remember if she's a combat mage. Could be different skill sets.

 

[radstylix]

shit u right. Still showed a pretty ruthless side of him, but I think she knew that already. Imagine hearing it as that poor hostage girl tho lol

Is Ziegline supposed to be good at combat? She's supposed to be smart but I don't remember if she's a combat mage. Could be different skill sets.

I and other people have mentioned that her position might be more for research or a desk job even if it's for the Ministry of Magic ™, which might be why she got jumped relatively easily.

But can you still not understand why it's still a pathetic on her part? She could've done ANYTHING even if it failed, but at least she could've tried something instead of just giving up immediately even if it's to rescue the woman.

She ruined all of that by... running out into the open so that man had to pull a knife on the woman being abducted. If Ziegline's so smart (since you know, it's her job), she could've taken a moment to assess the situation while hidden around the corner. She could've realized the woman isn't in immediate danger, or if she was, take action immediately. She could've figured out that he's not working alone and could've kept at an eye out for other kidnapers. Then, she could've taken that time to prepare a fancy spell or two. Even if her plans fail, she did something.

Sorry, these things just annoy me a bit since I've read Harry Potter and currently rereading Dresden Files.

 

[Triake]

I and other people have mentioned that her position might be more for research or a desk job even if it's for the Ministry of Magic ™, which might be why she got jumped relatively easily.

But can you still not understand why it's still a pathetic on her part? She could've done ANYTHING even if it failed, but at least she could've tried something instead of just giving up immediately even if it's to rescue the woman.

She ruined all of that by... running out into the open so that man had to pull a knife on the woman being abducted. If Ziegline's so smart (since you know, it's her job), she could've taken a moment to assess the situation while hidden around the corner. She could've realized the woman isn't in immediate danger, or if she was, take action immediately. She could've figured out that he's not working alone and could've kept at an eye out for other kidnapers. Then, she could've taken that time to prepare a fancy spell or two. Even if her plans fail, she did something.

Sorry, these things just annoy me a bit since I've read Harry Potter and currently rereading Dresden Files.

Assuming Zeigline's point of view, she probably thought the Elf girl was in immediate danger. "I can't sell you if you are all beat up." Factor that in with the ropes coming undone, it's very likely he would have hurt her.

Also, Ziegline may be naive as she didn't consider that there was more than one person because she got caught but aren't we only saying that in hindsight? The context clues we had, she didn't. Would the bear have come out immediately or eventually? It's a little unreasonable to assume she would have detected him. (Although spells like sense, detect life etc. we don't know if she knows them or if they exist at all.)

She was quick to act, however she wasn't just standing there. she was stalling for time and trying to think of a way to neutralise him. She got caught from behind and was given 0 time to do anything about it, no magic, both arms above her head, knife coming, what is she supposed to do? Weiss didn't know where she was, and he found her because she called to him. The trafficker tried that very same tactic on Weiss (Surrendering, talking), trying to get an opening to strike.

Re: Pathetic link: I do hate when supposedly competent people fail to give the MC a chance to bask in their own awesomeness also. When the writing is not there it makes everything about the scene less; however, it feels we expecting a talented government judge to be equal to the elite combat forces because they work in the same place. It may be apples to oranges but judges aren't trained, or expected to, get physical even though they are in positions of power. She, again naively, try to use her authority saying she was with the government, hoping it would have defused the situation. In the areas she works, it probably would have.

It just feels a little like you expect her to be something she isn't. Harry Dresden has probably had several situations that look exactly like that where he's had to come in and save people who had no clue what they stepped into.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Assuming Zeigline's point of view, she probably thought the Elf girl was in immediate danger. "I can't sell you if you are all beat up." Factor that in with the ropes coming undone, it's very likely he would have hurt her.

Also, Ziegline may be naive as she didn't consider that there was more than one person because she got caught but aren't we only saying that in hindsight? The context clues we had, she didn't. Would the bear have come out immediately or eventually? It's a little unreasonable to assume she would have detected him. (Although spells like sense, detect life etc. we don't know if she knows them or if they exist at all.)

She was quick to act, however she wasn't just standing there. she was stalling for time and trying to think of a way to neutralise him. She got caught from behind and was given 0 time to do anything about it, no magic, both arms above her head, knife coming, what is she supposed to do? Weiss didn't know where she was, and he found her because she called to him. The trafficker tried that very same tactic on Weiss (Surrendering, talking), trying to get an opening to strike.

Re: Pathetic link: I do hate when supposedly competent people fail to give the MC a chance to bask in their own awesomeness also. When the writing is not there it makes everything about the scene less; however, it feels we expecting a talented government judge to be equal to the elite combat forces because they work in the same place. It may be apples to oranges but judges aren't trained, or expected to, get physical even though they are in positions of power. She, again naively, try to use her authority saying she was with the government, hoping it would have defused the situation. In the areas she works, it probably would have.

It just feels a little like you expect her to be something she isn't. Harry Dresden has probably had several situations that look exactly like that where he's had to come in and save people who had no clue what they stepped into.

Also, there are different types of "smart". The old adage of "book smarts are useless when you need street smarts" rings true, and I think her situation here is a prime example of that.

Hers is a world of bureaucracy and red tape and regulation and big textbooks and long documents. How many times has she been in a street brawl, much less one when she's on her own and needs quick real-time ad hoc decision-making?

And that's before getting to ber magic. Can she cast on the fly? Does she need components or glyphs? Does she know spells that serve as crowd control, or that won't level the city block they're standing in?

It's a lot of assumptions made about her experience and her capabilities, and it's seemingly all in service of "but all women should be strong". And that's a great ideal, but it doesn't have to be absolute and ubiquitous, and not every woman and girl in every story needs to know how to MacGuyver her way out of any situation.
That approaches absurdity, and it's just as unhelpful to the cause being pushed.

 

[Pinnaclen]

bro fuckin aur farmed on that thug

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

Holo-bros, it has never been more over.

 

[Bibliothecarius]

Thanks for the chapter!!

 

[Snuffy.Flicks]

Thanks for the upload.

It seems people here are having issues remembering that Weiss is not only a powerful mage, a skilled mage, but he is also well practiced dark magic user (a form of magic shunned in this capital city) and a killer. Weiss went into self-exile to Zenis, a city of "villians", the closest thing to hell on earth, and everybody in that city knew two things, who Weiss was, and to not fuck with him. Dude went on a murder spree over fried chicken, and set this whole story off. Ziegline on the other hand, is a well trained librarian. She sits behind her brick walls, in a city that lives under a magical shield.

Their skills and mindsets are different. It also explains why Weiss and Ziegline aren't together, do you think Ziegline, a member of one of the most powerful families in a nation that fears and shuns dark magic users, would be best married off to the most powerful dark magic user around? Weiss ain't kidding around, he even knows this himself.

Now we wait for the cute dinner roll to return.

 

[CasualMangaFan]

This is a proper way to treat a hostage situation. Because all the person holding the hostage has, is the hostage. Meaning that if you relent because of that, you are pretty much enslaving yourself to the bastard's will, as you can't be sure that the hostage will be released for how much of an advantage it is giving them. So your only real option is to call the bluff. Because if they decide to kill their hostage, than there goes their empty bargaining chip, and give further fuel to trample the bastard. But if they falter, than that gives you pretty much free range to take them down. It may be a cold way to treat someone being threatened, but there is little good to be earned in relenting to people holding the lives of another in danger.

 

[welcome2atlantis]

It was a bear. There was a bear in the city. Probably escaped from a zoo.

 

[darkeden112]

Overworked and underfucked under loved. She deserves more than a date but some mobs just had to ruin it.

 

[Freman]

This is a proper way to treat a hostage situation. Because all the person holding the hostage has, is the hostage. Meaning that if you relent because of that, you are pretty much enslaving yourself to the bastard's will, as you can't be sure that the hostage will be released for how much of an advantage it is giving them. So your only real option is to call the bluff. Because if they decide to kill their hostage, than there goes their empty bargaining chip, and give further fuel to trample the bastard. But if they falter, than that gives you pretty much free range to take them down. It may be a cold way to treat someone being threatened, but there is little good to be earned in relenting to people holding the lives of another in danger.

It's true. If you try taking a hostage against police, contrary to how it works in movies, they'll try to persuade you to stop, and if you don't they'll shoot you dead. They'll prefer the hostage survive, but it's not the highest priority.

 

[Lewd_Beast]

Now, do we think that she will confess? I don't think she will, based on the preview of the next issue, I think she is now going to be all in on figuring out his skills and his dark side. Not that she has gone off him, but he is now something she needs to understand... Also, it is a bit too early to resolve it yet. I, for one, am still enjoying the tension.

 

[hihighhullo]

Hope property insurance exists in this world, and whoever's wall Weiss just smashed has it.

 

[FgoSegul]

Tbh, we could do with female characters needing SOME help now and then because Hollyweird ruined that by making most of them unlikeable... although not in this case because of Ziegline's relatively high position.

Dont watch hollywood and i’ve never cared about dei arguments. Im just disappointed they go out of their way to make ziegline seem like she’s competent only to have her actual character amount to a jobber for a no-name criminal who themselves is a jobber. Reeks of bad shonen tropism like the “haha isnt x character being a lech so laugh out loud funny” like mineta from my hero or early master roshi.