Vigilante - Ch. 4
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I agree with the AI judge. 0 corruption there if done well and Mc is a beast!
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@owlette So far, all the victims we have seen were attacked in the night, in poorly lit areas, and knocked unconscious in a matter of seconds. And he was wearing a hood at all times. I think the notion that they don't remember his facial features credible. Memory isn't nearly as accurate as we think. Witness-based drawings often don't resemble the criminals at all.
I think we can assume the victims that weren't shown were dealt with in a similar fashion. It only works because we're told in chapter 2 that he's a Mary Sue: an olympic athlete and a star student. The kind of guy who'd be able to deal with his victims faster than they can form a good visual impression of his.
And even if you have a good physical description, Seoul has millions of young men. If you don't know where to look, it's a needle in a haystack.
I think we can assume the victims that weren't shown were dealt with in a similar fashion. It only works because we're told in chapter 2 that he's a Mary Sue: an olympic athlete and a star student. The kind of guy who'd be able to deal with his victims faster than they can form a good visual impression of his.
And even if you have a good physical description, Seoul has millions of young men. If you don't know where to look, it's a needle in a haystack.
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The judges being replaced with AI is fucking stupid because an AI wouldn't care at all, it would either judge someone a benefit to society or not so no prisoner sentence at all or direct execution.
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What the fuck is happening in South Korea? Is this for real?
"Civil rights of the people who destroyed innocent lives." That's redundant, 'people' stop being people once they commit violence for reasons outside of self-defense. That is, protecting one's life and property. Fuck them.
"Civil rights of the people who destroyed innocent lives." That's redundant, 'people' stop being people once they commit violence for reasons outside of self-defense. That is, protecting one's life and property. Fuck them.
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@lionfromnorth I don't know a lot about korea, but legal system is more corrupted there than europe for example. Stuff like that happens in real life, for example india is famous for corruption. As long as you have money, you can get out free after hitting people (of course to some extent, like no video taken as evidence). Didn't really heard about things like that till I went to visit my friend there and stayed for few months.
@BalrogDeMorgoth You can program empathy. And when you can assign values to evidence and actions, having an AI make judgement would be as near perfect justice as you can get. Victim's life is always worth more than criminals.
@BalrogDeMorgoth You can program empathy. And when you can assign values to evidence and actions, having an AI make judgement would be as near perfect justice as you can get. Victim's life is always worth more than criminals.
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@KamiKira00 That's not how this work, how empathy works or how justice works, having empathy for one side is detrimental too, you're supposed to be neutral or the law is worthless.
Have fun with your world where any accusation is directly followed by a condemnation no matter what, doesn't sound like a hellhole at all.
Having a program who's supposed to judge if someone is innocent or not automaticaly consider the accused a criminal and the accuser a victim while also feeling empathy for them is such a dumb idea.
Have fun with your world where any accusation is directly followed by a condemnation no matter what, doesn't sound like a hellhole at all.
Having a program who's supposed to judge if someone is innocent or not automaticaly consider the accused a criminal and the accuser a victim while also feeling empathy for them is such a dumb idea.
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@BalrogDeMorgoth You can program empathy and you can exclude it. So there is no problem here.
I don't understand why you are saying that I want world where accusation is followed by condemnation. I want a world where that doesn't happen unless there is indicative evidence to prove that you are a criminal.
Empathy as in having feelings. It is meant in broad sense. Again, I just said that it is possible, I didn't say that we need that.
Never said that we have to judge based on accusation. Please, if you are confused with English language, ask, maybe I can explain it in different terms. Cause right now, most of your comment is made out of your imagination. You created arguments for me to argue against.
I don't understand why you are saying that I want world where accusation is followed by condemnation. I want a world where that doesn't happen unless there is indicative evidence to prove that you are a criminal.
Empathy as in having feelings. It is meant in broad sense. Again, I just said that it is possible, I didn't say that we need that.
Never said that we have to judge based on accusation. Please, if you are confused with English language, ask, maybe I can explain it in different terms. Cause right now, most of your comment is made out of your imagination. You created arguments for me to argue against.
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@KamiKira00 You can't really do either of those thing, not in human term, you're gonna end up with a very different version of empathy, just like if you had a spider as smart as a human, that's what every single person that work on developing AI stated.
That's what you get if you program the AI in term of 'criminal' and 'victim' instead of 'Accuser' and 'Accused' no matter your actual intention, that's the tricky thing.
Having feeling is different from having empathy and honestly half of the laws in place are to stop feelings from interfering with what should be an impartial process and it's for a good reason.
I think you're the one who's confused with the english language, having someone labeled as 'victim' and another as 'criminal' is already a judgement.
That's what you get if you program the AI in term of 'criminal' and 'victim' instead of 'Accuser' and 'Accused' no matter your actual intention, that's the tricky thing.
Having feeling is different from having empathy and honestly half of the laws in place are to stop feelings from interfering with what should be an impartial process and it's for a good reason.
I think you're the one who's confused with the english language, having someone labeled as 'victim' and another as 'criminal' is already a judgement.
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@BalrogDeMorgoth Every singe person's empathy is different from each other. Of course it would come out as different from yours or some one else's but if it was programmed for such important thing, it would be as near objective morality as you could possibly get cause it's morality would be based on people consensus.
I just don't understand what you have problem with. You can have same AI without any empathy. That AI would be least judgmental object that can make any decisions.
You do understand that by just adding labels of accuser or accused nothing really happens. If such AI was programmed, it would hold some specific values over evidence presented, and if enough value was presented then punishment would be given based on committed crime.
No one would punish based on accusation. It isn't human that could be bribed or pushed around. How you programmed, that how it will act.
It seems that we will go back and forth with same arguments. So instead of that, could you answer few of my questions. Why do you think AI would go from initial labels to instant judgement when it was programmed to act based on evidence (being impartial). And why does empathy in an AI even matters if we only need cold logical judgement
I just don't understand what you have problem with. You can have same AI without any empathy. That AI would be least judgmental object that can make any decisions.
You do understand that by just adding labels of accuser or accused nothing really happens. If such AI was programmed, it would hold some specific values over evidence presented, and if enough value was presented then punishment would be given based on committed crime.
No one would punish based on accusation. It isn't human that could be bribed or pushed around. How you programmed, that how it will act.
It seems that we will go back and forth with same arguments. So instead of that, could you answer few of my questions. Why do you think AI would go from initial labels to instant judgement when it was programmed to act based on evidence (being impartial). And why does empathy in an AI even matters if we only need cold logical judgement
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In india 3 men have to have seen the rape be committed for it to be actually taken seriously...not women...men..
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That would depend on which way the door opens, wouldn't it? Where I live, there's a general rule that doors always open in the direction of the outdoors or the route leading outdoors. Of course it's not 100% solid, but it's pretty consistent. I have always thought the rationale is that if there's a fire and people need to leave the building fast, it won't be a problem to push the door open. In a public place, such as a nightclub, if the door opens toward the interior of the building, a mass of people in panic trying to flee will automatically mean the door can't be opened because the pressure from the throng will keep it shut. Of course the added benefit is that it's extremely hard for criminals to kick the door open from the outside.
