Vignette Witch! ~Joshi-ka no Mahou to Isekai Seikatsu~ - Vol. 1 Ch. 7 - The Call of the Skirt

[NeoRetro]

How do you figure he was gaslit into wanting to be a girl? Genuine question, BTW, not trying to be confrontational.

I think that COULD apply to later characters if this plot goes where I think it's going. But we got a flashback where our new witch thinks back to when she first yearned to be a girl in a skirt. (and it IS wanting to be a girl in a skirt specifically see post #22) That was before the events of the manga, meaning none of the witch-related events had anything to do with those feelings. But I do see some magical gaslighting ahead. (and like you, I'm going to just sorta roll with it)

And... why isn't relating to characters in fiction by real world standards "smart" ? There are whole careers that have been made on youtube from making such analysis. Some college literary professors might even make you do it for a paper. Besides all of that, why would anyone read fiction if they don't see things in it that relate to them or their own feelings? It seems like that's a major point of the endeavor.
I think you probably more meant something along the lines of "it's not productive to ascribe real world labels to fictional characters". I'm going to argue assuming that's your angle and please correct me if not. To some degree, I'd agree the trans community can really jump the gun with those at times in discussions of manga characters. The community is starved for representation and starvation can... lead to that sort of overzealous claiming of characters. I can only apologize if that's annoying. But I do think Rin in this chapter is very much an example of a trans girl in my opinion. Just that it's not outright text because characterization in Japanese works are usually done with layers of subtext.

Kind of takes me back to when I was on internet forums in my teens during the late 90's and like all of this was happening but over gay-coded characters. And it got kind of ridiculous when people were like "No, they're just friends! That was a FRIENDSHIP kiss on the lips! Don't force your ideas on Japanese media, you're not from that culture! Don't make throw this AOL free trial disc at your head!"

Just a update, my post was just me misinterpreting the replies here because I was browsing the thread while drunk as fuck 😅
You can ignore literally everything I said earlier

 

[MidnighTea]

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Honestly, I was feeling bad for jumping on you like that to begin with. Like I do think I was being pretty rude/borderline sealioning. I'm sorry about that.

We're more than good if you are!

 

[Nami]

You're trying to talk sense to people who want a result and outcome so badly from the start, that they will headcanon away all objections from the start. It's not even worth trying with some people.

Let's set aside for just a moment how hypocritical you're being by whining about how someone else is interpreting the meaning of a story incorrectly while holding your own interpretation up as somehow more valid.

Death of the Author. You're welcome.

 

[Ambadi2511]

Yeah, I'm not trans, but if turning into a girl gives me magic powers, I'd take that deal too.

 

[Amplify]

Let's set aside for just a moment how hypocritical you're being by whining about how someone else is interpreting the meaning of a story incorrectly while holding your own interpretation up as somehow more valid.

Genderbender =/= trans. This isn't a matter of interpretation, it's not a matter of debate, trying to conflate the two is to confuse two things that can never overlap, by definition. Someone can be one, they can be the other, or neither, but never both.

 

[Nami]

This isn't a matter of interpretation

That's just, like, your interpretation, man.

 

[Amplify]

That's just, like, your interpretation, man.

No.

 

[Nami]

No.

Keep malding over nothing, little bro.

 

[Amplify]

Keep malding over nothing, little bro.

I'm just saying, you really shouldn't be trying to debate English language definitions you clearly don't understand the nuances of. Perhaps English is your second language, perhaps it's a failing of your education, your ability or something else entirely, but you're some combination of unable + unwilling to learn the difference between words and I don't particularly care what that combination is.

 

[Nami]

I'm just saying...

You may be just sayin', but I ain't readin' it, little bro. Don't mald so much.

 

[Amplify]

You may be just sayin', but I ain't readin' it, little bro. Don't mald so much.

Okay you've gone from ignorant to pathetic, it's like watching a little child hide behind a curtain and assume that if they can't see anybody, nobody can see them either.

If you're not even literate and willing enough to read two short sentences, there is no hope for you.

 

[Nami]

Mald, mald, mald.

Stop malding, little bro.

 

[Amplify]

Stop malding, little bro.

It's like trying to communicate with a petulant child, exactly as expected for somebody with such stupid beliefs. Enjoy whatever remains of your life, whatever.

 

[PinkThorn242]

No.

So I'm curious. What is your reasoning for saying she isn't?

 

[Amplify]

So I'm curious. What is your reasoning for saying she isn't?

Isn't trans? Because trans and gender bender are different by raw definition. Not opposites exactly as there's other options than just those two, but if you have one you can't have the other.

When somebody's transitioned it's done via surgery and drugs, the body has still grown up as one sex to that point and those things don't change their skeletal structure or add in missing organs or any number of other things. It's not magic, also that much surgery etc very often has severe consequences for a person's health and lifespan.

When somebody is genderbent their entire existence is quite literally rewritten on both a cellular and historic level, effectively the entire timeline itself is rewritten from the ground up on an extremely localized scale so that person was the other sex from the original embryo. The only thing remaining to prove otherwise is basically memories and other purely informational sources, and in some examples of gender bender some or many memories of different people are also overwritten, depending on the author. It is a level of science/magic so far beyond what we have right now that showing a machine capable of truly capable of genderbending somebody to someone from the current year, would be like us showing a working fusion reactor to a Neolithic caveman.

If somebody transitioned and then gets hit with gender bender magic, they are genderbent and not trans.
If somebody is hit with gender bender magic and transitioned to try and get back to how they were, they're trans and not genderbent.
Hope that helps.

 

[Monstrengo]

When somebody is genderbent their entire existence is quite literally rewritten on both a cellular and historic level, effectively the entire timeline itself is rewritten.

Could you please clarify that last part? I tend to agree with the rest of your statement, but the whole "effectively the entire timeline itself is rewritten" is puzzling me. As I understand it, a person who's been genderbent, was still a member of the opposite sex in his/her past, prior to the magical/high sci-fi transformation.

P.S. When is chapter 8 coming out? This is the one series I can't wait to keep reading! Hope nothing bad has happened to the translator, or Kaneko Naoya. How sucessful is this series anyway? The link shows that this series has 9 chapters. Is it still going strong?

 

[Amplify]

Could you please clarify that last part? I tend to agree with the rest of your statement, but the whole "effectively the entire timeline itself is rewritten" is puzzling me. As I understand it, a person who's been genderbent, was still a member of the opposite sex in his/her past, prior to the magical/high sci-fi transformation.

P.S. When is chapter 8 coming out? This is the one series I can't wait to keep reading! Hope nothing bad has happened to the translator, or Kaneko Naoya. How sucessful is this series anyway? The link shows that this series has 9 chapters. Is it still going strong?

I mean, look at the picture I provided. I tried to make it as clear as humanly possible so there would be no confusion.

From the point of view of history they were physically born a girl, they physically grew up as a girl up until that exact nanosecond, and unless they're turned back they will continue to physically be a girl until death and beyond. Depending on what caused the genderbender it may also overwrite all other historical happenings too, a girlfriend is replaced with a boyfriend, the porno magazines under the bed might be replaced with fashion ones or whatever, the computer table in their room is now a makeup dresser and so on.

 

[PinkThorn242]

I mean, look at the picture I provided. I tried to make it as clear as humanly possible so there would be no confusion.

From the point of view of history they were physically born a girl, they physically grew up as a girl up until that exact nanosecond, and unless they're turned back they will continue to physically be a girl until death and beyond. Depending on what caused the genderbender it may also overwrite all other historical happenings too, a girlfriend is replaced with a boyfriend, the porno magazines under the bed might be replaced with fashion ones or whatever, the computer table in their room is now a makeup dresser and so on.

I'm pretty sure most gender-bending works don't follow Misfile rules.

 

[Amplify]

I'm pretty sure most gender-bending works don't follow Misfile rules.

Misfiled is a good example of a genderbender taken to a more extreme length I outlined in the second half of the paragraph yes, but far from the only example.
It also doesn't change the first half of that paragraph, which is the important half you should be looking at. The second half might happen, the first half always happens.

 

[Nami]

Bro is losing his fucking mind over this one, single trans girl in this manga.