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If no group wants to take over a series fine, if they want to just start shit with TS I have a problem. I just want to read my manhuas fuck this drama.
Volcanic Age - Vol. 1 Ch. 65
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It’s a gray area this one if what said is true and they are to profit off what they are doing then I expect publishers to started issuing letters, at moment a lot get away with it because they are calling it a donation and everything is set to 0 meaning everyone can read, as soon as you put a value on a product you will start catching eye of publishers and not in a good way. Yes. I read their discord and no I don’t agree with what they are doing, it’s the opposite of how they started.
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@Miyuki
Allen was a saint. Saddly devils chased him away
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Yeah I sometimes get confused a little bit by those two translations. But I tend to read both releases out of respect to scalators, and comment on the first one to publish it. I haven't notice much drama there and comments are mostly about chapter content. So that is much healthier approach
Allen was a saint. Saddly devils chased him away
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Yeah I sometimes get confused a little bit by those two translations. But I tend to read both releases out of respect to scalators, and comment on the first one to publish it. I haven't notice much drama there and comments are mostly about chapter content. So that is much healthier approach
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@Pleione What evidence though.. i didn't see any evidence. All i can see is someone claiming to know something. I don't know if the Website trash is building will be like qidian/webnovel. If it is like that, then there is no reason to hate on trash. If it is not, and it is purely a paywall system without any legal claims, then people can still hate on trash after website is up.
But at this point neither me nor the no group guy knows exactly what it is going to be so it's just there for the drama. Cause ''paywall is bad'' and shit.. I wonder if those people consider Netflix a bad Paywall too.
But at this point neither me nor the no group guy knows exactly what it is going to be so it's just there for the drama. Cause ''paywall is bad'' and shit.. I wonder if those people consider Netflix a bad Paywall too.
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All the drama aside, I do enjoy me some chapters of volcanic age :V.
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@ZeroMomo
Probably not, because Netflix actually pays quite reasonably to put shows on their platform. $15 billion in obligations is no small number.
Compared to some random Scanlation group that could turn into another crunchy roll.
The difference in scale that everyone is used to dealing with here makes it a really bad choice to try and compare anything here to Netflix. The comparison just doesn't work.
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Probably not, because Netflix actually pays quite reasonably to put shows on their platform. $15 billion in obligations is no small number.
Compared to some random Scanlation group that could turn into another crunchy roll.
The difference in scale that everyone is used to dealing with here makes it a really bad choice to try and compare anything here to Netflix. The comparison just doesn't work.
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@TheOneWhoSighs well yeah ofc it's not on the Netflix scale when it comes to the numbers but you gotta start somewhere right.. and if Trash wants to go towards the legal route then i am welcoming that. The Asian publishers still ignore us most of the time and i think this should change seeing how many years the scanlation community exists already. Some people like this as a hobby and they want it to stay this way but this isn't legal and everyone should know that the only reason we're still here is the ignorance of the publishers.
just my opinion
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kata massive release sembang kemaih
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@Yamibi I absolutely love your answer about "building up". I couldn't have voiced it so nicely.
While I entirely agree with you, I'm still very concerned with what TS is doing. If they indeed put a paywall, that means nothing will ever get released to MD anymore (no paywalls allowed).
Drama shit in spoilers, skip if not interested.
All in all, I'm just sad Allen's spirit got forgotten at some point by TS...
While I entirely agree with you, I'm still very concerned with what TS is doing. If they indeed put a paywall, that means nothing will ever get released to MD anymore (no paywalls allowed).
Drama shit in spoilers, skip if not interested.
@ZeroMomo while I stood with you on another drama, I'm quite surprised to see how you're handling this one.
So far, from screenshots and the reddit posts (even those from TS) clearly show TS are up to no good and took a path that strays a lot from Allen's legacy, which they at first claimed to be.
Also, using Netflix as example is a huge mistake, Netflix works directly with everyone in their industry, they hold legal publishing rights, etc.
So far, TS only said they "wanted" to get legal rights, nothing about how, from whom nor how they'd handle it. Legal publishing rights requires a huge financial commitment and I certainly don't believe TS to ever have this kind of money. Legal publishing rights are not the author saying "yeah sure bro, as long as my publishing doesn't sell the rights oversea" (which btw, doesn't even seem to be what they meant, so let's skip it).
However, what we can see is that they've already got a website requiring payments, ready. While nothing about the "legal rights" seem to be in order.
Indeed, we lack clear information about some parts of this, but the posts and answers on reddit from TS are misleading, confusing and contradict each others, the same things happen on their Discord. So either they somehow don't have a single clue about their own project, either they obfuscate it a lot. I'd be more surprised by the former than the latter considering TS' behavior these past weeks.
I am indeed very interested in a legal alternative such as Crunchyroll (animes) for mangas (interestingly enough, Crunchyroll began getting rights for mangas). However, so far, TS' project doesn't seem to be anything like this.
Anyway, for the "early access" paywalls blablabla, as long as I can read new chapters for free on a regular basis, whether they're delayed 2 weeks or not, I couldn't care any less since I'll end up with a chapter/week anyway. These kind of things are very different so let's forget about this.
I'm thankful to TS for doing what they've been doing now, whether they sit on piles of chapters is of no concern to me, they regularly release the chapters anyway. I also dislike the way No-Group is handling this, I'd refer to Yamibi's posts for this. On another hand, I'm glad No-Group feels concerned by TS behavior and thought of communicating it to everyone, the methods are just wrong and could hurt everyone in the end. I don't really believe they'd find "suitable" groups for dropped series, seeing the quantity of series worked on by TS (and Volcanic Age).
Both sides hold some good and bad things, I stand beside all this as a reader and can only expect the worse from how things are going : no more (free) access to these chapters, whether because TS builds a paywall or they stop working because they grew tired of drama/whatever.
So far, from screenshots and the reddit posts (even those from TS) clearly show TS are up to no good and took a path that strays a lot from Allen's legacy, which they at first claimed to be.
Also, using Netflix as example is a huge mistake, Netflix works directly with everyone in their industry, they hold legal publishing rights, etc.
So far, TS only said they "wanted" to get legal rights, nothing about how, from whom nor how they'd handle it. Legal publishing rights requires a huge financial commitment and I certainly don't believe TS to ever have this kind of money. Legal publishing rights are not the author saying "yeah sure bro, as long as my publishing doesn't sell the rights oversea" (which btw, doesn't even seem to be what they meant, so let's skip it).
However, what we can see is that they've already got a website requiring payments, ready. While nothing about the "legal rights" seem to be in order.
Indeed, we lack clear information about some parts of this, but the posts and answers on reddit from TS are misleading, confusing and contradict each others, the same things happen on their Discord. So either they somehow don't have a single clue about their own project, either they obfuscate it a lot. I'd be more surprised by the former than the latter considering TS' behavior these past weeks.
I am indeed very interested in a legal alternative such as Crunchyroll (animes) for mangas (interestingly enough, Crunchyroll began getting rights for mangas). However, so far, TS' project doesn't seem to be anything like this.
Anyway, for the "early access" paywalls blablabla, as long as I can read new chapters for free on a regular basis, whether they're delayed 2 weeks or not, I couldn't care any less since I'll end up with a chapter/week anyway. These kind of things are very different so let's forget about this.
I'm thankful to TS for doing what they've been doing now, whether they sit on piles of chapters is of no concern to me, they regularly release the chapters anyway. I also dislike the way No-Group is handling this, I'd refer to Yamibi's posts for this. On another hand, I'm glad No-Group feels concerned by TS behavior and thought of communicating it to everyone, the methods are just wrong and could hurt everyone in the end. I don't really believe they'd find "suitable" groups for dropped series, seeing the quantity of series worked on by TS (and Volcanic Age).
Both sides hold some good and bad things, I stand beside all this as a reader and can only expect the worse from how things are going : no more (free) access to these chapters, whether because TS builds a paywall or they stop working because they grew tired of drama/whatever.
All in all, I'm just sad Allen's spirit got forgotten at some point by TS...
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@Shyning Just speaking my mind here.
The other drama was involving me directly so i also acted differently i guess. What i meant wasn't ''let's just find it ok for trash to put a paywall'' what i meant was that if there is a paywall in a way that qidian/webnovel is doing it and trash actually got legal rights with contracts and shit then i am welcoming this and so should the rest of the readers. I was also reading the reddit post and what i also saw there was info from trash that they indeed have connections to a few publishing companies which means there is a chance that they would indeed get rights. (sorry but i am too lazy to get a screenshot of that now)
The Website is also not ready in any way. The things on there are literally just place holders because there's only one project popping up when you click on the stuff there. So everything on there is a subject to change most likely. This was also stated by Trash btw.
I also don't know what Dru and rest is thinking rn but if everything you say just gets flipped around however it works out for the attacking site, then i wouldn't really want to keep communicating either.
The Website is also not ready in any way. The things on there are literally just place holders because there's only one project popping up when you click on the stuff there. So everything on there is a subject to change most likely. This was also stated by Trash btw.
I also don't know what Dru and rest is thinking rn but if everything you say just gets flipped around however it works out for the attacking site, then i wouldn't really want to keep communicating either.
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@ZeroMomo well, let's wait and see, but so far they've been acting suspicious anyway (claiming one thing then refuting it the next time, obfuscating things, etc) and the way Dru handled this on Discord (and his own members are "well.. it's Dru..." so even they don't hold high regards to what's going on). Of course, should this happen to be a legal and proper way, that would be interesting, but if it is, why obfuscate it so much, so hard ? They'd promote it instead, to gather support instead of keeping the whole affair in total confusion. If this project is so innocent and ambitious, why lie and bury information ?
Everyone's here acting based upon TS (especially Dru's) own words and what they leak out of it. And so far, the general outcome is being confused and suspicious of this.
Of course I hope this is all a misunderstanding and they just mishandled communication (Dru's specialty), however this a naive hope imo.
It still stands that the way TS began, following Allen's legacy, have changed a lot and is worlds apart now. This is mainly why people have grown even more suspicious of this "project" of theirs.
Everyone's here acting based upon TS (especially Dru's) own words and what they leak out of it. And so far, the general outcome is being confused and suspicious of this.
Of course I hope this is all a misunderstanding and they just mishandled communication (Dru's specialty), however this a naive hope imo.
It still stands that the way TS began, following Allen's legacy, have changed a lot and is worlds apart now. This is mainly why people have grown even more suspicious of this "project" of theirs.
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@ZeroMomo
There new website is already accessible to some degree, they have a payment system in place where you can buy gems or some currency or whatever and then spend that currency to make them release a chapter quicker.
Also trash has no authority to any of the work they are translating, no group already outlined they wont be able to get a lisence provided to them as pretty much everything is in house from the publisher, Dru's claims about a license are false, in fact iirc volcanic age is already being officialy translated.
Additionally they rip the raws off official websites, again evidence given.
You need to read the entire page + reddit threads on this matter. Has more insight and evidence on the matter.
I feel like you're just ignoring the blatent evidence and pretending there is none just to be awkward.
There new website is already accessible to some degree, they have a payment system in place where you can buy gems or some currency or whatever and then spend that currency to make them release a chapter quicker.
Also trash has no authority to any of the work they are translating, no group already outlined they wont be able to get a lisence provided to them as pretty much everything is in house from the publisher, Dru's claims about a license are false, in fact iirc volcanic age is already being officialy translated.
Additionally they rip the raws off official websites, again evidence given.
You need to read the entire page + reddit threads on this matter. Has more insight and evidence on the matter.
I feel like you're just ignoring the blatent evidence and pretending there is none just to be awkward.
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@Shyning well yeah that's what i mean the whole time, wait and see. But this thing here is just for the drama.
@Pleione sorry for the wall of text
All in all i think this whole drama is stupid and we should all relax a bit.
There's only 2 options anyway...
one being trash is doing all of this on the legal route and no one could complain about any website with paywall (well you still can but it wouldn't matter)
second being trash is doing this on the not so legal route and they still do a website with a paywall, which would mean they also have no rights to make others stop releasing a project. So sooner or later the paywall would be counter productive.
(i still don't like snipers that don't talk with scan groups though, if you have a problem with release speed or anything talk with the scan group first please.. if you don't like the answer you can still scanlate it)
@Pleione sorry for the wall of text
i honestly don't care enough to read 5 different reddit posts all saying something else and so on.. i just don't care - everything i say here is what i saw till now and what i think will happen or happened already
but i still went to read some of it and idk.. he may be right on some parts but he is also wrong on other parts.
when you click on any manga it always gets you to the same link so it's obviously a placeholder. Just like how 90% of the rest is a placeholder. Yes there is an option to buy those stones but like i already said 5 times or so, if it is like qidian/webnovel then this is totally fine. ''Trash scans still has webnovel’s series on their own site.'' from reddit is therefore not really a good point imo as you can't really read it on the site afaik, just a placeholder. And then Trash claims to be in talks with qidian about those projects.. well for all we know that could be true. It doesn't have to be but why hate on it and call it a lie when we clearly don't know? We can still hate afterwards because at some point there needs to be legal claims right?
And yes you're right at this point (!) Trash doesn't have any authority over those projects because there's no contracts yet afaik. But then again the website doesn't look close to ready for even a sneak peak. So in all this time needed to do the website, there's enough time to get such contracts. And it is totally possible to get such contracts since most of the publishers do NOT have exclusive rights to it. And even when they have you could still get a contract to work for them in their name as a sub company.
If there's any claims made by Trash now then ofc that's not right. Also telling others there's a contract when there is no contract isn't a good move i agree to that.
''Chinese raws don’t become free.'' (also from reddit) Yeaaaahhh no. If you go on ac.qq you will find a bunch of chapters for free. Now let me ask you which scan group doesn't rip the raws from official websites? Even if you buy them you still need to rip it and if you don't have a contract with the publisher (which is the case in 90% of the cases) you will never get your hands on the original files.
So if you wanna hate on every group for ripping the raws from official sites, then go ahead but you won't read manga for a long time then.
I also don't know anything about official english translations for volcanic age. But my point of view on that is, if there is an official english version, you should not continue doing the project unless you too have the rights for it.
but i still went to read some of it and idk.. he may be right on some parts but he is also wrong on other parts.
when you click on any manga it always gets you to the same link so it's obviously a placeholder. Just like how 90% of the rest is a placeholder. Yes there is an option to buy those stones but like i already said 5 times or so, if it is like qidian/webnovel then this is totally fine. ''Trash scans still has webnovel’s series on their own site.'' from reddit is therefore not really a good point imo as you can't really read it on the site afaik, just a placeholder. And then Trash claims to be in talks with qidian about those projects.. well for all we know that could be true. It doesn't have to be but why hate on it and call it a lie when we clearly don't know? We can still hate afterwards because at some point there needs to be legal claims right?
And yes you're right at this point (!) Trash doesn't have any authority over those projects because there's no contracts yet afaik. But then again the website doesn't look close to ready for even a sneak peak. So in all this time needed to do the website, there's enough time to get such contracts. And it is totally possible to get such contracts since most of the publishers do NOT have exclusive rights to it. And even when they have you could still get a contract to work for them in their name as a sub company.
If there's any claims made by Trash now then ofc that's not right. Also telling others there's a contract when there is no contract isn't a good move i agree to that.
''Chinese raws don’t become free.'' (also from reddit) Yeaaaahhh no. If you go on ac.qq you will find a bunch of chapters for free. Now let me ask you which scan group doesn't rip the raws from official websites? Even if you buy them you still need to rip it and if you don't have a contract with the publisher (which is the case in 90% of the cases) you will never get your hands on the original files.
So if you wanna hate on every group for ripping the raws from official sites, then go ahead but you won't read manga for a long time then.
I also don't know anything about official english translations for volcanic age. But my point of view on that is, if there is an official english version, you should not continue doing the project unless you too have the rights for it.
All in all i think this whole drama is stupid and we should all relax a bit.
There's only 2 options anyway...
one being trash is doing all of this on the legal route and no one could complain about any website with paywall (well you still can but it wouldn't matter)
second being trash is doing this on the not so legal route and they still do a website with a paywall, which would mean they also have no rights to make others stop releasing a project. So sooner or later the paywall would be counter productive.
(i still don't like snipers that don't talk with scan groups though, if you have a problem with release speed or anything talk with the scan group first please.. if you don't like the answer you can still scanlate it)
