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[asterist]

 

[asterist]

FAN TOURNAMENT ARC SEMI-FINALS A:

HANEI RIN VS. KAMISADA HIMARI
https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5461990x41ed473c-162

https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5462304x9c754555-162

 

[Toshinou]

12,000 voters, yep they definitely had a bot network or something? I'm honoured someone went to all that effort for my little poll. I'd like to congratulate them on a fight well fought, but note that all's fair in love and war extends to the user with admin privileges in the event the fight's not looking fun anymore.

EDIT: I WAS WRONG! They weren't using a bot network, the 12,000 users was as a result of the fix I put in place. My sincerest apologies to the very dedicated user who I guess must have had a clickbot? A little macro or something?

just to clarify things up, your admin privileges fixed the poll due to an alleged unfair voting method, but by the time you realized that it was due to a simple macro, clearly already used in the last rounds, you had already declared the winner.
so you apologized but did not recognize Yomotsuka's victory?
I thought that any voting method accessible to everyone was allowed, but a fix by the admin is a bit...

 

[asterist]

just to clarify things up, your admin privileges fixed the poll due to an alleged unfair voting method, but by the time you realized that it was due to a simple macro, clearly already used in the last rounds, you had already declared the winner.
so you apologized but did not recognize Yomotsuka's victory?
I thought that any voting method accessible to everyone was allowed, but a fix by the admin is a bit...

I think the fairest competition is one that's fun for everyone. While it's certainly great to show your passion for your faves, if it makes it harder for other voters to play along then it's not exactly in the spirit of the contest. Kurohime was in the lead for most of the week, with a consistent strong showing before the last minute rush and I certainly wouldn't want to invalidate the voters who fought hard for her in the face of overwhelming opposition.

 

[asterist]

I'd also like to add that the unlimited votes is a fun treat for this time, I'm hoping to run a full-cast character popularity poll later in the year that will be one voter one vote, so the numbers will be a little less wild though hopefully no less enjoyable.

 

[Toshinou]

I think the fairest competition is one that's fun for everyone. While it's certainly great to show your passion for your faves, if it makes it harder for other voters to play along then it's not exactly in the spirit of the contest. Kurohime was in the lead for most of the week, with a consistent strong showing before the last minute rush and I certainly wouldn't want to invalidate the voters who fought hard for her in the face of overwhelming opposition.

this is a weak motivation, you are just rewarding those who used macros during the week instead of those who did it at the last moment, the fact that Kurohime fans were not active in the decisive hours is certainly not a merit.
exactly as you say, to have a fair poll you should have chosen another system from the beginning, not fixed the result as you see fit.
confirming the result of the last round is essentially equivalent to invalidating the entire tournament.

 

[asterist]

The purpose of the tournament is to create a fun game for fans of the series to play together while we wait for the next chapter and translation. While some healthy underhanded tricks such as not limiting votes per player can make the game more fun for everyone, voting in a way to discourage competition just turns off people who've come to cast an honest vote or twelve.

I appreciate that you're so engaged, using a macro is very clever, but if it discourages other players then it's not going to help us all have fun, is it?

 

[Toshinou]

you have a point, but you're invalidating it when you say "an honest vote or twelve". in fact, before the last hours rush, the votes were about 5000 Yomo - 6500 Kuro, it was clearly a macro battle from the start.

at this point there were two ways, either switch to a single vote system or let the voters fight by all means. you chose a third.

anyway, I got that you don't want to change your mind, it would just be nice to hear what other voters think too, or we could have a poll about the voting system, hehe

 

[MapacheLunar]

it would just be nice to hear what other voters think too

Since you ask for the opinion of other voters, I will give mine: I don't care

 

[megacannon]

The last minute burst of votes was clearly a macro (or something similar). That's 1000's of votes in a very short timeframe which isn't something a human is capable of. I'm able to crank out about 1,000 votes/hour by hand and you can see what that looks like on the chart. It's a long, flat line. The last minute votes were a sudden rapid spike of 12K. Clearly artificial.

I agree with Asterist's take on this. It's not good sportsmanship.

 

[glitrahasconsumedme]

As the sole Yuina fan who was fighting tooth and nail on her behalf, I can confidently say that at my most stubborn I could only manage about 1.5k per hour at most, so the macro with 12k votes certainly feels a bit unfair for anyone who wants even a chance to get any votes in.

Speaking of these polls, though, time to do my duty to avenge Yuina and vote my other fave, Kamisada o7

 

[Toshinou]

I thought asterist had already clarified this, but since the 12k votes were sent via macro, they were not done by the last minute but during the final 10 hours of the poll. that's how macros work.

you can see what that looks like on the chart. It's a long, flat line.

this is incorrect.
believe me or not, it took about 3 seconds per vote, so totally counterable.
but it was not.
Kurohime fans didn't do anything for 10 hours straight and she lost, but in the end the pool was unfairly fixed by asterist, forcing 12k +1 vote, this time really at "the last minute".
given that excluding automated votes with this pool system makes no sense, if we decide to do that, what about the 10k+ votes cast in the first 6 days of the poll? are we really pretending that no other macros or clickbots were used?
I hope to have clarified the situation, feel free to ask for more, I know what happened and asterist should have all the data.

 

[666xoxo]

I thought asterist had already clarified this, but since the 12k votes were sent via macro, they were not done by the last minute but during the final 10 hours of the poll. that's how macros work.

this is incorrect.
believe me or not, it took about 3 seconds per vote, so totally counterable.
but it was not.
Kurohime fans didn't do anything for 10 hours straight and she lost, but in the end the pool was unfairly fixed by asterist, forcing 12k +1 vote, this time really at "the last minute".
given that excluding automated votes with this pool system makes no sense, if we decide to do that, what about the 10k+ votes cast in the first 6 days of the poll? are we really pretending that no other macros or clickbots were used?
I hope to have clarified the situation, feel free to ask for more, I know what happened and asterist should have all the data.

lol i cast like 2000+ votes for kurohime by hand, don't be a sore loser

 

[Toshinou]

lol i cast like 2000+ votes for kurohime by hand, don't be a sore loser

Any proof of that? Also, do you want a badge for not being efficient?

 

[asterist]

The issue is not the tricks used, it's whether it's fun for other players. By all means use a macro if that's fun for you, but if you create such a lead that nobody else wants to participate, then it's not fun anymore. Given my goal is to create fun for everyone, that's the time I'm going to have to step in. Rather than top up Kamisada let's just get another clean start, third time's the charm.

https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5462304x9c754555-162

 

[Toshinou]

if you create such a lead that nobody else wants to participate, then it's not fun anymore.

so your advice to all voters is: feel free to use macros, but don't make it obvious or your votes will be nullified.
good to know... but to me it seems more like: vote whoever you want but in the end I'll choose the winner.

anyway you can force your convenient ethic all you want, but the truth is that the poll ended:

19k Yomotsuka - 7k Kurohime​

you can't be sure that the last 12k votes were the work of a macro, just as you can't prove that Kurohime's 7k were entered manually. not even the poll data can clarify this. so you had no objective reason to interfere.

being unable to counter the 12k votes when they started 10 hours before the end of the poll was the simple reason for Kurohime's defeat. you could have just accepted it and went on but the choice is yours.
in the end it's just the credibility of the tournament that is undermined.

good continuation.

 

[glitrahasconsumedme]

We got mangadex poll discourse before GTA 6, insane work everyone

 

[asterist]

 

[mothafecker]

I agree with Toshinou here as an average voter. Since my vote doesnt really make a difference any more it feels weird to hear that the purpose of poll fixing from admin is for everyone to have fun?

When the poll is fixed this way it feels like the rule is rather cherry-picked than fair. Macro is fine but marco at the last few hours is not? Manual input is the only acceptable way? How do you even know?

TL;DR: just saying that vote fixing aint cool and team Yomotsuka stand united before the Korohime imperialistic yoke

 

[glitrahasconsumedme]

Well, folks, I believe it is my time to officially tap out of this poll competition. I have come to accept that my least favorite character in this manga (Rin) is likely going to win.

Kamisada nation, I have hope that you will be able to persevere, but it will have to be without me and my three devices as my carpal tunnel is worsening too far to continue with my voting anarchy.

Godspeed, anyone else who dislikes Rin, I sincerely hope she does not win the final round o7