Watashi no Shounen - Vol. 6 Ch. 25 - Hourglass
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feel like I'm holding my breath through each chapter, I'm so invested in this story and these characters
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"I have to get him away from that house"? WHAT?!
What are you saying Satoko!
Wanting to be with him and waiting for him to grow-up while supports him, ok, but "get him away from his house"?! What are you saying!
She did the same mistake back then assuming the worse about his situation (that scene with his dad where she understood how wrong she was was one of the best) now she is doing it again! And not telling Mayu in this situation how she almost lost her job and got criminally charged...
But, it's good.
It's good to see the protagonist in this type of story making so many "mistakes" and being a bit delusional instead of some perfect protector.
And... don't tell me that Mashuu has leukemia?!
Is he gonna die?!
What are you saying Satoko!
Wanting to be with him and waiting for him to grow-up while supports him, ok, but "get him away from his house"?! What are you saying!
She did the same mistake back then assuming the worse about his situation (that scene with his dad where she understood how wrong she was was one of the best) now she is doing it again! And not telling Mayu in this situation how she almost lost her job and got criminally charged...
But, it's good.
It's good to see the protagonist in this type of story making so many "mistakes" and being a bit delusional instead of some perfect protector.
And... don't tell me that Mashuu has leukemia?!
Is he gonna die?!
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Damn this woman is dumb
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I really love this manga...but I was really uncomfortable while reading Satoko's thoughts. She's way too pessimistic about his circumstances and being really prejudiced against the grandma.
Or maybe it's just me being too naive and trusting towards the kdrama watching granny who's fangirling about talented actors X'DD *cough*
Or maybe it's just me being too naive and trusting towards the kdrama watching granny who's fangirling about talented actors X'DD *cough*
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Talk about jumping to conclusions... I mean, yea. You know that Mashuu had a neglected childhood, but you're seeing with your own eyes that the house is well-kept and has a homely feel. Plus, the grandma isn't putting on airs, it's apparent that she's genuine for the most part. Oh well, can't blame her for being pessimistic since it has been 2 years since then and she wouldn't know what changes occurred within Mashuu.
But still, she needs one hell of a reality check. You don't need Mashuu's life to be seeped in negativity or turmoil just so you can find a reason to "protect" him. I understand that the age gap is what's hindering her, but for her to insert herself into his life under the type of circumstances she's seeking, it'll only give way to a toxic relationship in the long run.
Then again, I don't expect them to last tbh. By the manga's end, he'll most likely end up with Nao. Or I can also see Mayu having a decent shot herself if she continues along this trajectory. The age difference there is also much more manageable than his age difference with Satoko. Mayu's younger than 23, we know that for sure and it puts her anywhere between 4-8 years older than him.
But still, she needs one hell of a reality check. You don't need Mashuu's life to be seeped in negativity or turmoil just so you can find a reason to "protect" him. I understand that the age gap is what's hindering her, but for her to insert herself into his life under the type of circumstances she's seeking, it'll only give way to a toxic relationship in the long run.
Then again, I don't expect them to last tbh. By the manga's end, he'll most likely end up with Nao. Or I can also see Mayu having a decent shot herself if she continues along this trajectory. The age difference there is also much more manageable than his age difference with Satoko. Mayu's younger than 23, we know that for sure and it puts her anywhere between 4-8 years older than him.
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Remember the Mayu's backstory chapters where by the end we "concluded" that Satoko wasn't really affected by her family circumstances as we were being lead to believe? Well, maybe those circumstances really affected by the end...
Yeah, sure doesn't look that there's anything wrong on Mashu life, but appearances can be deceptive, right?
I thing that Satoko putting her in the position of "the adult in the relationship" believes that it's her obligation to protect the child.
Remember the Mayu's backstory chapters where by the end we "concluded" that Satoko wasn't really affected by her family circumstances as we were being lead to believe? Well, maybe those circumstances really affected by the end...
Yeah, sure doesn't look that there's anything wrong on Mashu life, but appearances can be deceptive, right?
I thing that Satoko putting her in the position of "the adult in the relationship" believes that it's her obligation to protect the child.
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Appearances can be deceptive, I'll agree with you on that point. However, we're given no reason whatsoever to doubt Mashuu's grandmother. There have been no insinuations or foreshadowing that would warrant readers doubting her. Even Mashuu himself doesn't show any signs of being abused/ill-treated by her. As far as I'm concerned, it's a needless and slightly delusional thought on Satoko's end.
I've no problem with Satoko trying to insert herself into Mashuu's life. My problem lies with the circumstances she seeks to use as her excuse for entering his life. To her, it'd be ideal if he's being neglected or abused and deep down in her heart, she's probably hoping that's the case... That's really fucking toxic and I can't get behind her when she's thinking like that. Going back to what I was saying, I understand that the 18 year age gap is what's holding her back, but to want his life to be in turmoil just so you can get an excuse to see him is pushing it imo.
Anyway, I don't expect them to be the endgame anyway, but I am interested in seeing how their relationship develops and how they maintain it in the aftermath if things don't work out romantically. I expect him to hook up with Nao as the endgame seeing as she's the only girl in his age group that he's remained somewhat close with or I can even see Mayu being built up as a potential candidate. I already explained that the age gap there is also more socially acceptable, so it'd be interesting to see how things develop if the story does go that direction. Still, even if he switches romantic interests, the story shouldn't deviate from his relationship with Satoko and I wouldn't want it to either. After all, the story focuses specifically on the development of their relationship. Whether they end up together or grow apart is all just part of the journey.
Appearances can be deceptive, I'll agree with you on that point. However, we're given no reason whatsoever to doubt Mashuu's grandmother. There have been no insinuations or foreshadowing that would warrant readers doubting her. Even Mashuu himself doesn't show any signs of being abused/ill-treated by her. As far as I'm concerned, it's a needless and slightly delusional thought on Satoko's end.
I've no problem with Satoko trying to insert herself into Mashuu's life. My problem lies with the circumstances she seeks to use as her excuse for entering his life. To her, it'd be ideal if he's being neglected or abused and deep down in her heart, she's probably hoping that's the case... That's really fucking toxic and I can't get behind her when she's thinking like that. Going back to what I was saying, I understand that the 18 year age gap is what's holding her back, but to want his life to be in turmoil just so you can get an excuse to see him is pushing it imo.
Anyway, I don't expect them to be the endgame anyway, but I am interested in seeing how their relationship develops and how they maintain it in the aftermath if things don't work out romantically. I expect him to hook up with Nao as the endgame seeing as she's the only girl in his age group that he's remained somewhat close with or I can even see Mayu being built up as a potential candidate. I already explained that the age gap there is also more socially acceptable, so it'd be interesting to see how things develop if the story does go that direction. Still, even if he switches romantic interests, the story shouldn't deviate from his relationship with Satoko and I wouldn't want it to either. After all, the story focuses specifically on the development of their relationship. Whether they end up together or grow apart is all just part of the journey.
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"ppearances can be deceptive, I'll agree with you on that point. However, we're given no reason whatsoever to doubt Mashuu's grandmother."
Yes, I know that, but Satoko isn't us, the readers.
"My problem lies with the circumstances she seeks to use as her excuse for entering his life. To her, it'd be ideal if he's being neglected or abused and deep down in her heart, she's probably hoping that's the case... That's really fucking toxic and I can't get behind her when she's thinking like that. "
Aaah, everything these days is "toxic".
Toxic this, toxic that.
People are overusing this word.
Satoko have no ill intentions, she is just conflicted. She don't want Mashuu's life to be "in turmoil", I'm 100% sure of it. However because she is so concerned with the turmoil that will happen in both of their lives if she gives in to Mashuu's desires she is desperately searching for a way in. As I said before (sorry for all those spelling mistakes), she is stopping to think about the situation she is and being influenced by this in the wrong way. Because she can't stop thinking about herself as "an adult" and about Mashuu as "a child", she is trying to hard too be an adult. "An adult must be responsible and protect the child", because she can't allow herself to have an honest and equal relationship with Mashuu as woman and man she is forcing herself to think this way.
The devil was this new friendship of Mashuu with her sister, and the realization of how little she really knows about the kid.
"What I don't know and what he didn't tell me, or worse, what he hid from me?".
See, is more complicated but perfectly understandable and you don't need to resort to "toxic" logic.
About Nao, "of course" she will play the role of "villain".
"ppearances can be deceptive, I'll agree with you on that point. However, we're given no reason whatsoever to doubt Mashuu's grandmother."
Yes, I know that, but Satoko isn't us, the readers.
"My problem lies with the circumstances she seeks to use as her excuse for entering his life. To her, it'd be ideal if he's being neglected or abused and deep down in her heart, she's probably hoping that's the case... That's really fucking toxic and I can't get behind her when she's thinking like that. "
Aaah, everything these days is "toxic".
Toxic this, toxic that.
People are overusing this word.
Satoko have no ill intentions, she is just conflicted. She don't want Mashuu's life to be "in turmoil", I'm 100% sure of it. However because she is so concerned with the turmoil that will happen in both of their lives if she gives in to Mashuu's desires she is desperately searching for a way in. As I said before (sorry for all those spelling mistakes), she is stopping to think about the situation she is and being influenced by this in the wrong way. Because she can't stop thinking about herself as "an adult" and about Mashuu as "a child", she is trying to hard too be an adult. "An adult must be responsible and protect the child", because she can't allow herself to have an honest and equal relationship with Mashuu as woman and man she is forcing herself to think this way.
The devil was this new friendship of Mashuu with her sister, and the realization of how little she really knows about the kid.
"What I don't know and what he didn't tell me, or worse, what he hid from me?".
See, is more complicated but perfectly understandable and you don't need to resort to "toxic" logic.
About Nao, "of course" she will play the role of "villain".
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@Panino
I see what you're getting at and honestly, I do mostly agree with how you perceive and apply logic to her actions/thoughts. However, I will not rescind my statement that she's being toxic with regard to her thoughts about Mashuu's life and family situation. I used the word with full knowledge of its meaning and the context in which I intended for it to be used. It should be pretty obvious in itself why I chose that specific word to describe Satoko's inner thoughts. So what if the word is overused by today's standards? If the person using the word is aware of its meaning and properly applies it in appropriate situations (like I did regarding Satoko's current mental state), then I don't see why there should be any problems with me using the word.
Tl;Dr, I didn't just blindly or lightly throw around the word "toxic" here. I chose to use it specifically because it's a very appropriate and straightforward description for Satoko's inner thoughts regarding Mashuu. You can give me the world of reasons justifying why her thoughts are twisted and I've gotta admit, your logic and reasoning is sound for the most part, but at the end of it all, that's just a really polite and roundabout way of saying that she's "toxic".
I see what you're getting at and honestly, I do mostly agree with how you perceive and apply logic to her actions/thoughts. However, I will not rescind my statement that she's being toxic with regard to her thoughts about Mashuu's life and family situation. I used the word with full knowledge of its meaning and the context in which I intended for it to be used. It should be pretty obvious in itself why I chose that specific word to describe Satoko's inner thoughts. So what if the word is overused by today's standards? If the person using the word is aware of its meaning and properly applies it in appropriate situations (like I did regarding Satoko's current mental state), then I don't see why there should be any problems with me using the word.
Tl;Dr, I didn't just blindly or lightly throw around the word "toxic" here. I chose to use it specifically because it's a very appropriate and straightforward description for Satoko's inner thoughts regarding Mashuu. You can give me the world of reasons justifying why her thoughts are twisted and I've gotta admit, your logic and reasoning is sound for the most part, but at the end of it all, that's just a really polite and roundabout way of saying that she's "toxic".
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Again, you don't need to use "toxic" to explain anything in this story.
There are better words to describe Satoko's behavior, like "unhealthy" and "delusional", or simply "wrong" and "mistaken".
This insistence on viewing everything as "toxic" is in itself "toxic".
Not to mention Satoko isn't the only character with actions that we can question in this story.
Again, you don't need to use "toxic" to explain anything in this story.
There are better words to describe Satoko's behavior, like "unhealthy" and "delusional", or simply "wrong" and "mistaken".
This insistence on viewing everything as "toxic" is in itself "toxic".
Not to mention Satoko isn't the only character with actions that we can question in this story.
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@Panino
Smh, I'm not even bothering anymore. I've already explained why I chose my choice of wording, yet you still insist that I change it.
I like that you ignore the fact that I justified and gave sufficient reasoning why I chose to use the word. I even made sure to clearly state that I used the word fully knowing its meaning and in which context I intended its usage for. Btw, thanks for indirectly calling me toxic when you're the one proceeding to ignore my opinion simply because of my selective usage of a word. Really helps your case here. Cheers mate.
One last thing: Did I ever say that there aren't other characters who've made questionable decisions in this story? I'm pretty sure everyone who reads this knows that, but that's beside the point. I chose to focus on Satoko in my initial post because she gave me reason to critique her since the chapter was focused on her to begin with. I'd appreciate that you don't try to change the scope of the argument when there's no reason to do so.
ps. I won't respond to your next reply as we're both wasting each other's time at this point, but if you still feel the need to say something, be my guest.
Smh, I'm not even bothering anymore. I've already explained why I chose my choice of wording, yet you still insist that I change it.
I like that you ignore the fact that I justified and gave sufficient reasoning why I chose to use the word. I even made sure to clearly state that I used the word fully knowing its meaning and in which context I intended its usage for. Btw, thanks for indirectly calling me toxic when you're the one proceeding to ignore my opinion simply because of my selective usage of a word. Really helps your case here. Cheers mate.
One last thing: Did I ever say that there aren't other characters who've made questionable decisions in this story? I'm pretty sure everyone who reads this knows that, but that's beside the point. I chose to focus on Satoko in my initial post because she gave me reason to critique her since the chapter was focused on her to begin with. I'd appreciate that you don't try to change the scope of the argument when there's no reason to do so.
ps. I won't respond to your next reply as we're both wasting each other's time at this point, but if you still feel the need to say something, be my guest.
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Thank you so much @HotChocolatescans and /a/ for the chapter!
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Exaggerating drama but that's no surprise if you look in what this serie contains however I can bear the will to wait and see til the finishing and i'm quite curious how the ending will spread out since i'm moderately fond of age-gap romance in all type of fictions.
Therefore I will recommend a better manga with less drama = Kore wa Koi no Hanashi (probably pretty well-known upper echelons of age-gap romance but regardless definitely a top tier one atleast)
Therefore I will recommend a better manga with less drama = Kore wa Koi no Hanashi (probably pretty well-known upper echelons of age-gap romance but regardless definitely a top tier one atleast)
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