What will happen to people who make comics with Ai technology?

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Not a single one of those points justifies the massive unauthorized consumption of other artist's works for your own profit that are needed to make any kind of working image AI model. There is a reason why counterfeit paintings are looked down on, and the so called AI(which being honest is more of a statistical simulator than intelligence to begin with) is counterfeiting taken to an extreme.

People that consume this type media are entirely right to be concerned about it, and no, no one is entitled to use other's works for profits without their express authorization, this shouldn't even be a discussion. If we were talking about educational purposes or non-profits then there might have been space for discussion, but this is strictly commercial.
Counterfeit paintings are made to look like copies of an artist's work. AI generated images that are used in the sale of something aren't. You could make an argument if someone pretends a unique work was made by an artist that's passed away when it really wasn't, but that's fair game in my opinion. You say "no one is entitled to use others' works for profits without their express authorization." First of all, you don't own anything in this life. You're leasing everything from your body and mind to your home that you've paid off in full. Nothing is yours to keep forever. Second of all, artwork that's made physically by a person and that has been influenced by the art styles and techniques of predecessors are sold all the time. It's the people who are lazy and too dependent on the continued production of one style of art that complain when their art is counterfeited because they lack the ability to network, distribute supply, advertise their artwork on to global markets. Should the government also give artists free access to networks, advertisement, faster production methods, etc. so nobody else can monopolize the use of their own art too? How about they sell their art to a company who will do this for them? Then, they are no longer the sole proprietor of the art but are still compensated. As soon as your art is digitized, you no longer have sole proprietorship. Your film was recorded in the cinema and then that file was burned onto a CD to be sold in a third world country? You no longer have a say. Your design was reconstructed digitally by a pirate and then reproduced by a machine that was given instructions to mass produce an exact replica for sale elsewhere? You no longer have a say. It's nobody's fault but your own when you can't protect your own work. You should've had armed guards be stationed in the cinema and phones/cameras confiscated. Adapt, work harder, and let the billionaires steal and monopolize your effort. Hayao Miyazaki is a boomer who is too complacent by using one style of art. He can't adapt and if someone copies his art style for a feature length film then nobody should stop them. Copyright law is stupid and outdated. Artists need copyright law to protect their inability to continually make novel things. They are lazy, weak snowflakes who struggle to be the fittest. The people who are stealing ideas and art styles as you say are also lazy in their thinking but they're still putting in effort. Everyone who thought they could protect and continue making money off of digitally made or uploaded art even before AI was thing a thing is a complete fool. Miyazaki relinquished his rights whenever he started digitizing his work. Laws can't keep the internet in check.

To say you have the sole claim to intellectual property and are the rightful beneficiary of its sale is the one of the most naive things a person could say. It's one thing to have an artist's reputation tarnished by work that is similar or exactly the same in style but if the work is not proposed to have been made the the original artist and is still sold, I have no problem with that. There is no such thing as protecting your keep in this life.
 
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Not a single one of those points justifies the massive unauthorized consumption of other artist's works for your own profit that are needed to make any kind of working image AI model. There is a reason why counterfeit paintings are looked down on, and the so called AI(which being honest is more of a statistical simulator than intelligence to begin with) is counterfeiting taken to an extreme.

People that consume this type media are entirely right to be concerned about it, and no, no one is entitled to use other's works for profits without their express authorization, this shouldn't even be a discussion. If we were talking about educational purposes or non-profits then there might have been space for discussion, but this is strictly commercial.
Saying this on a manga piracy site which basically functions entirely on the "unauthorized consumption of other artists works" is so funny lmao. Have some perspective.
 
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Saying this on a manga piracy site which basically functions entirely on the "unauthorized consumption of other artists works" is so funny lmao. Have some perspective.
the main difference is that no one is trying to turn a profit here, the lack of perspective is on trying to equate translations given freely vs a commercial venture
 
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Counterfeit paintings are made to look like copies of an artist's work. AI generated images that are used in the sale of something aren't. You could make an argument if someone pretends a unique work was made by an artist that's passed away when it really wasn't, but that's fair game in my opinion. You say "no one is entitled to use others' works for profits without their express authorization." First of all, you don't own anything in this life. You're leasing everything from your body and mind to your home that you've paid off in full. Nothing is yours to keep forever. Second of all, artwork that's made physically by a person and that has been influenced by the art styles and techniques of predecessors are sold all the time. It's the people who are lazy and too dependent on the continued production of one style of art that complain when their art is counterfeited because they lack the ability to network, distribute supply, advertise their artwork on to global markets. Should the government also give artists free access to networks, advertisement, faster production methods, etc. so nobody else can monopolize the use of their own art too? How about they sell their art to a company who will do this for them? Then, they are no longer the sole proprietor of the art but are still compensated. As soon as your art is digitized, you no longer have sole proprietorship. Your film was recorded in the cinema and then that file was burned onto a CD to be sold in a third world country? You no longer have a say. Your design was reconstructed digitally by a pirate and then reproduced by a machine that was given instructions to mass produce an exact replica for sale elsewhere? You no longer have a say. It's nobody's fault but your own when you can't protect your own work. You should've had armed guards be stationed in the cinema and phones/cameras confiscated. Adapt, work harder, and let the billionaires steal and monopolize your effort. Hayao Miyazaki is a boomer who is too complacent by using one style of art. He can't adapt and if someone copies his art style for a feature length film then nobody should stop them. Copyright law is stupid and outdated. Artists need copyright law to protect their inability to continually make novel things. They are lazy, weak snowflakes who struggle to be the fittest. The people who are stealing ideas and art styles as you say are also lazy in their thinking but they're still putting in effort. Everyone who thought they could protect and continue making money off of digitally made or uploaded art even before AI was thing a thing is a complete fool. Miyazaki relinquished his rights whenever he started digitizing his work. Laws can't keep the internet in check.

To say you have the sole claim to intellectual property and are the rightful beneficiary of its sale is the one of the most naive things a person could say. It's one thing to have an artist's reputation tarnished by work that is similar or exactly the same in style but if the work is not proposed to have been made the the original artist and is still sold, I have no problem with that. There is no such thing as protecting your keep in this life.
So your argument is that these lazy special snowflakes should not have a right to their own work, they also happen to be the ones holding the key to an AI venture making massive profits instead of having to pay them to use their work and thus maybe even making that venture into AI art unprofitable, it's very funny how that works isn't it?

Let me ask you, then, shouldn't everyone then also have access to these working trained models and all your training data for free? After all no one owns anything right? Why should the one behind the AI venture be the sole beneficiary of it's profits then if the ones having their work used aren't either?
 
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Interesting question. I think AI can be a useful tool for comic creators, especially for those who might not have access to professional tools or teams. But at the same time, it's important to respect original artists and the effort that goes into traditional work. Maybe the future will be more about how we combine human creativity with AI, rather than replacing one with the other.
 
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I hope that AI will make anime more fluid, and that they'll use AI for in-between-animation. I'm kind of tired of sloppy animation mostly made on threes, even for high end shows like Frieren. I think that would be a really good use of the technology.
 
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people using AI for comics will just be seen as a new kind of creator. It's all about how well they use the tools, just like any other medium
Saw an AI made comics on the front page of the comics subreddit yesterday I think, which was upboated, but the comment he had written that said it was made with AI was downboated. That was kind of hilarious I guess.
Edit: Even more fun the mods of the subreddit removed some of the comments defending using AI. That's hilarious and as 1984 it gets.
 
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we will start seeing more cooler manga tbh
And its not only about manga , think about anime . I want to see JJK season 3 and 4 , but guess what MAPPA employee still want to make hand drawn images , C'monnnnn, just use AI and generate the anime clips faster
Maybe just make a rough sketch and feed it to AI for polishing .........just give me the anime already !!!!!!
 
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I think you guys are coming from a place of privilege. If AI can make a comic creator more money faster then power to them. No need to die with your pen in your hand. If this reduces the need for assistants, great. Maybe those assistants can use AI to make their debut or to help them get out of a stagnation period in their career. Japan made tons of slop manga anyway without the use of AI. It won't really change anything. In fact, there are stories that are worse than what AI could have come up with at this stage. The authors pushing out slop will just use AI to make it easier. They have a right to. The AI manga that are successful beyond revenue will have been tailored by someone with talent and a keen eye. Art it limitless so there will always be cases where AI can't perfectly portray what the author has in mind. Therefore, the author will need to step in and take over the perspective.
How many manga are using character designs and tropes that have existed for decades? How many manga with the exact same premise but with slightly different circumstances? Authors borrow from each other all the time and its not because they want to make art. It's a living.
You realize that ai images are made from real images? If you ask ai to generate an image of a full glass of wine, it can’t do it because no images of it exist. Ai can never make anything new, it just reuses existing things. Even if it looks different, it is still stealing someone else’s work.

With character personalities, not every manga has to have completely different character traits. It’s not like one manga has a shy character, and no other manga can use it. You create art because it makes you happy. Why else would artists make art? They hardly make any money from their art anyway. They do it for the love of doing it.
 
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You realize that ai images are made from real images? If you ask ai to generate an image of a full glass of wine, it can’t do it because no images of it exist. Ai can never make anything new, it just reuses existing things. Even if it looks different, it is still stealing someone else’s work.

With character personalities, not every manga has to have completely different character traits. It’s not like one manga has a shy character, and no other manga can use it. You create art because it makes you happy. Why else would artists make art? They hardly make any money from their art anyway. They do it for the love of doing it.
This is somewhat ironic because AI was recently proved to be able to generate a full glass of wine like just a few weeks ago.
 
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Using AI as a tool for creation is lame, people who do that are cowards.
I won't deny that the image creation sphere is also overabundant with hacks that mass-produce generic garbage, but AI is just more of that generic stuff, all fun parts of it are an accident it can't actually make use off.
Though, admittedly, AI can at the very least surpass shitsekai #1248917452, but if that is the bar you want to clear, you might as well give a room of monkeys a paintbrush.

I'm saying that of someone who uses AI stuff for fun and personal use.
 

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