Yachiru-san wa Homeru to Nobiru - Vol. 2 Ch. 7.2

[JVick]

He could have called this off at any moment too but did not

Poor guy tried tho.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

Poor guy tried tho.

...after taking her offer to enter a love hotel and hearing her saying she feels the same about him. agreeing with her dressing up and even telling her what he prefers between those. lying down in bed together. and, at her request so she'd know what to do, deciding to tell her about what turns him on which she then proceeds to do...which then ends up being too much for him because she's too absorbed to realize she's pushing things a bit too much too fast, which is a general thing that happens these chapters, which I did say they should have a proper talk about. She then apologizes for the deed and he seems fine and more so concerned about her than himself, because she clearly has a bit of a weird view of things. But again, seeing all these comments, it's more likely that there's just something severely wrong with me...I don't know anymore

 

[JVick]

...after taking her offer to enter a love hotel and hearing her saying she feels the same about him. agreeing with her dressing up and even telling her what he prefers between those. lying down in bed together. and, at her request so she'd know what to do, deciding to tell her about what turns him on which she then proceeds to do...which then ends up being too much for him because she's too absorbed to realize she's pushing things a bit too much too fast, which is a general thing that happens these chapters, which I did say they should have a proper talk about. She then apologizes for the deed and he seems fine and more so concerned about her than himself, because she clearly has a bit of a weird view of things. But again, seeing all these comments, it's more likely that there's just something severely wrong with me...I don't know anymore

I guess that, unlike Yui told us that 'fun things are fun', no doesn't ultimately mean no.

But I'm arguing for the sake of arguing because I'm bored. Ultimately, she stopped and realized she fucked up, tried to apologize in a weird manner and then the MC went to lecture her on it. My argument at the start, before I tried to derail the comment section with shitposting, was he could also have told her to stop doing weird shit when they're not even dating. I'll stop for now.

 

[b33fy]

She was not legitimately hurting him either. He could have called this off at any moment too but did not because he wanted her to have the chance to do this.

She (emotionally) was (he's literally crying), he 100% did, and she didn't stop. That's the problem.

 

[SirBlizz]

She (emotionally) was (he's literally crying), he 100% did, and she didn't stop. That's the problem.

It was a problem, the problem with the comic at the moment is that they dashed swiftly past that and went on a bizarre lecture about how she shouldn't so freely offer sex to a man she can clearly trust and who mostly reciprocates. Like he's not objecting for anything to do with him or how she went past his boundaries, but because, and I legitimately can't think of any other way to read it, because he thinks she's too easy.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

She (emotionally) was (he's literally crying), he 100% did, and she didn't stop. That's the problem.

So...he goes to a love hotel with her, both liking each other. Has her dress up in his favorite option of the outfits there at her request. Does not have an issue with her on top of him previously. Then when asked so that she'd know what to do to him, he tells her he likes being below because he likes the idea of trying to escape and being unable to. Which ends up happening. I just don't really get his thought process and the only way I can see this is him trying to have things happen slower out of concern for her understanding of relationships, rather than a depiction of SA.

 

[JVick]

So...he goes to a love hotel with her, both liking each other. Has her dress up in his favorite option of the outfits there at her request. Does not have an issue with her on top of him previously. Then when asked so that she'd know what to do to him, he tells her he likes being below because he likes the idea of trying to escape and being unable to. Which ends up happening. I just don't really get his thought process and the only way I can see this is him trying to have things happen slower out of concern for her understanding of relationships, rather than a depiction of SA.

Ha, I get what you're saying, you're saying his reaction isn't because of what she did to him, but the fact she did it. And then you can understand why he didn't talk about it, because it wasn't directly bothering him. But in this case, I would have expected to see him more disappointed instead of crying when it happened.

 

[mothralord]

Thanks for the tl. His consideration is admirable but ignoring her confession is lowkey rude

To be fair he might not be in the right mind space to realize that after what happened in the previous chap.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

Ha, I get what you're saying, you're saying his reaction isn't because of what she did to him, but the fact she did it. And then you can understand why he didn't talk about it, because it wasn't directly bothering him. But in this case, I would have expected to see him more disappointed instead of crying when it happened.

Yeah I just get very mixed feels from this. Like if he didn't want things to go this way I don't really get the whole, yknow, him saying all he said and going with her up until now. At most I can think that maybe he didn't expect her to go this far this fast. Feel like he was also probably at least a bit uncomfortable with his own reaction to all of it, but the way he acts afterwards is not the reaction someone that just got SA'd would have, right? To me at least that sounds a lot more severe than what this is supposed to be? He just rushes to clean himself, does not feel negative at all about her, isn't bothered by Yachiru touching him right away, then tries to make sure that Yachiru and him are on the same page with things...which sort of seems like it still isn't the case, with Yachiru seemingly being a bit weird? It's either that she doesn't really understand him because to her they're closer than he thinks (he hasn't processed the confession). Or she has some sort of past that affected her view of these things (possible, with how she seemed to act regarding lewd things and men in the first chapters). Anyways, I felt like all that's happened is that they just weren't on the same page regarding their current situation and each had a different pace for things in mind. They cleared that much up now however.

 

[Imatoumi]

It's funny there are people praising the "adult" conversation after he got sexually assaulted but it's still a fetish manga. This is like claiming you read playboy magazine for the articles.

There are better ways to actually address the issue than what was portrayed here. Like the way he starts to talk about how she doesn't owe him anything after she assaulted him is not the direction I would take this. Instead I would have him ask her how she would feel if some random person she doesn't know or like started doing those things to her to paint a better picture.

Him saying all that after getting assaulted is kinda ??? It's great she gets what she did was wrong but it was so awkwardly done.

Edit: Also lol on someone saying "adult take on sexuality". To me that translates to "I have very boring sex or have illusions about sex"

Right? I felt like that whole thing was brushed off a bit too quickly, and it almost feels like mc is making her out to be the victim in this somehow,
The progress to chapters ratio in this story is great, but for once, I feel like this should've been left on the stove a bit longer ?

 

[DioBrandoXVII]

I'm kind of sick of the Japanese's obsession with making MCs that are this dense, not gonna lie.

 

[Substitution]

So....yeah. Is there something wrong with me or what?

Not at all. There's just a lot of very stupid people in internet comments. The main thing wrong is that you can't read everything assuming it came from someone worth listening to.

Taking measures to boost your testosterone levels will help you be more secure in the right answer and less pro-social, less doubting of yourself when you see likes and apparent consensus.

 

[SoyYoJoder]

On one hand this feels frustrating because MC seems too caught up on helping her and being considerare to understand that she likes him.

On the other, I'm surprised about this mangaka, others would have brushed over the fact that she assaulted him they actually explained CONSENT.

 

[foist]

After reading all the comments I am legit worried about myself. Because honestly, reading through the 2 chapters, all I felt was awkwardness. I...don't get it? He likes her. He has had these thoughts about her since like chapter 1. He has been interested in her in this specific way but tried his best to not push it. He has specific interest in this sort of stuff based on what he reads. She likes him. She wants to do these sort of things with him BECAUSE she likes him. She was not legitimately hurting him either. He could have called this off at any moment too but did not because he wanted her to have the chance to do this.
When I heard the comments talking about SA all I could feel is a bit of fear. It is scary when I am the only one that doesn't get it, like something is wrong with me maybe?
What I do see is the following:
1. Seichiro has been very mindful of her and always listened to her. She did not do the same here, mostly because she was too caught up in all this. This had to be talked so they can progress.
2. She overdid it a little bit. An apology afterwards and I thought it is all okay. Seichiro seems to think so too.
3. She...seems to not really have a good understanding of relationships and such. It felt more like all that Seichiro did was out of concern for her more so than himself. This one I DO understand. You wouldn't wanna do something with someone when they don't get the full implications of what it means and could regret it later.

So....yeah. Is there something wrong with me or what?

Nothing wrong with you, you're understanding the characters pretty well, as far as I can tell. The characters themselves are having a hard time being honest with themselves (about how they feel and how they feel ABOUT the way they are feeling) and a hard time communicating with each other and probably have some conflicting ideas about what is proper. Consider too that the author might not be an expert on everything, so you have the author's ideas, the characters ideas, the characters having difficulty understanding themselves and expressing themselves, and the author's difficulties in expressing all of this to the reader...plus its a scanlation, who knows what we aren't getting due to language and cultural barriers, there are no 1:1 translations in real life. Everything has to pass through many filters. So I would not be worried about something being wrong with YOU because of a manga and comment section chatter...you're fine.

 

[foist]

On one hand this feels frustrating because MC seems too caught up on helping her and being considerare to understand that she likes him.

On the other, I'm surprised about this mangaka, others would have brushed over the fact that she assaulted him they actually explained CONSENT.

It's a good scene to use, too, because it shows how even people who like each other can get carried away and how that can still hurt them. Consent can be revoked at any time and people need to take that seriously.

 

[Tinker_OwO]

It's a good scene to use, too, because it shows how even people who like each other can get carried away and how that can still hurt them. Consent can be revoked at any time and people need to take that seriously.

This is what I'm sayin, all these people don't understand

You could literally be on top of each other and ready, but if your partner suddenly doesn't feel comfortable, you have to stop no matter what

Doesn't matter if you're both interested in each other, doesn't matter if you're both in bed, doesn't even matter if you're married

If your partner doesn't feel comfortable YOU HAVE TO STOP

 

[zersetsu]

Not at all. There's just a lot of very stupid people in internet comments. The main thing wrong is that you can't read everything assuming it came from someone worth listening to.

Taking measures to boost your testosterone levels will help you be more secure in the right answer and less pro-social, less doubting of yourself when you see likes and apparent consensus.

?

 

[Arexty]

The cool-down message about consent, mutual understanding, and valuing yourself is both great and needed but the messenger being Seiichiro, mere minutes after being assaulted, to the very person responsible is a bit too much for me. The dissonance of what happened vs. what was said (and who was saying it) took me right out. It's sort of like having someone who just escaped their house being set on fire by a pyromaniac taking the matches out of their hand to explain why arson is bad.

Paradoxically, this entire arc really drives home how much of a monster (in the truest sense of the word) Yachiru is for being totally unacquainted with the morals and values of human interaction. It's not that sort of manga, but when she's in the mood and her hunter yokai nature is activated there is nothing that could stop her from crumpling Seiichiro up like a used soda can so the tinge of fear is real.

 

[Caribou31]

Not at all. There's just a lot of very stupid people in internet comments. The main thing wrong is that you can't read everything assuming it came from someone worth listening to.

Taking measures to boost your testosterone levels will help you be more secure in the right answer and less pro-social, less doubting of yourself when you see likes and apparent consensus.

And people, that's how you spot an incel !

Tate level intellect.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

I feel like maybe I should've kept to myself because this only got people arguing more... I still don't fully understand nor see any of this the way some people did with the whole SA thing (but I guess as long as what I said isn't complete nonsense maybe it's fine that I don't), but also I feel very weirded out by certain other comments that were arguing against it...