So you're allowed to like these two characters, but you and flowsthead reserve the right to call anyone that doesn't share that opinion a hater? Pfffft. Tell me you're a dick without telling me you're a dick.
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Yankee JK Kuzuhana-chan - Ch. 274 - Emergency Meeting
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So you're allowed to like these two characters, but you and flowsthead reserve the right to call anyone that doesn't share that opinion a hater? Pfffft. Tell me you're a dick without telling me you're a dick.
She confessed, and he said NO. So the character then doubles down, won't accept no for an answer, and is going to continue scheming because she doesn't give a rat's arse about what HE wants.
Which part of NO are you all having trouble getting your head around, or is NO only important when females say it?
Saying that you disagree with people who are acting like haters of two characters is different from calling people dicks for disagreeing with you about manga.
Also yes, I do acknowledge that both Takae and Ushigome are massively fucked up people that basically caused good 65% of the main conflict. But at the same time I'm willing to actually acknowledge that they are trying their hardest to fix their own mess and that they are, at the end of the day, two dumb teenagers with no idea what to do.
He told her "no, not right now" and she said "maybe later when I become better for you". That's arguably a pretty normal response for a high schooler and not the worst way to handle that exchange. Also, they had a whole ass talk about his feelings before she said that, which included her actually confirming that he still sees her as his friend and that he's not currently romantically interested in any of the others. Acting like she just refused to take the no for an answer is ignoring the 90% of the conversation they actually had.She confessed, and he said NO. So the character then doubles down, won't accept no for an answer, and is going to continue scheming because she doesn't give a rat's arse about what HE wants.
Which part of NO are you all having trouble getting your head around, or is NO only important when females say it?
I don't even like Takae and Ushigome this much as ships for Saotome, I just don't like how the arguments against them are mischaracterising both the girls and Saotome.
Well, if you are going to claim that SEXUAL ASSAULT AND BLACKMAIL of an innocent victim is just 'shenanigans', then I certainly stand by my claim that you're a dick.
"We've been friends since first year, and I'll always appreciate you..."
"But... only as a friend, right?
Keep pretending that's not a mic drop, enabler.
Dude, I have said it multiple times in this thread that their actions initially did in fact fuck Hodaka up and cause most of the emotional problems driving his arc. What are you even talking about?
I am just pointing out how the characters themselves, especially Saotome, see these events and how it doesn't mesh with the common critiques. The story is very blunt about which actions hurt and traumatised Hodaka and which ones were just confussing and messy.
Once again, you are ignoring the actual exchange between the characters and how difficult it was for both of them. Also the fact that this very chapter was very explicit about how Ushigome is basically coping with the rejection and how she very specifically tried to end the conversation on a cheerful note to avoid breaking down crying around Saotome. The story literally spells it out that she did that to avoid burdening him with seeing her sad, and to avoid making him console her and take pity on her.
And IMMEDIATELY starts making plans for how she's going to make another attempt. If she genuinely didn't want to burden him, she'd accept that no means no. Keep trying to convince yourself that she cares about what HE wants.
Again, which part of NO can't you get your head around?
So because he's a ridiculously nice guy who just wants to get through his school life in peace, the sexual blackmail just gets magically forgiven? 'Shenanigans' my arse. What she did was criminal, enabler. But sure, you get to decide whether anyone else is allowed to dislike a vile character like Takae or not. 🤦♂️
Once again, you are ignoring the whole two chapters worth of conversations just to focus on the rejection part, ignoring the fact that after that they both had a chapter long talk about feelings that did in fact feature a lot of hedging on both sides.
And the fact that Ushigome's final declaration wasn't that just that she'll try again, but that she will try to change so she's a girl he can say "yes" to. The context of the rejection does change a lot. The 90% of the conversation happened after your supposed "mic drop".
You are also ignoring the fact that the story is pretty bluntly showing Ushigome as a heartbroken teenager coping hard with her first true rejection. Unironically, it's emotionally messy because it's meant to be an emotionally messy situation.
No, it's not magically forgiven, it's literally mundanely forgiven because he had literally chosen to forgive them. And it wasn't immediate either. After Takae almost had her ass whooped by Hanako, Hodaka told her to fuck off and leave him alone, because he wanted peace. Same with his first interaction with Ushigome, where he essentially discarded her as just crazy chick he didn't want to get involved with.
In fact, you can very well argue that he only fully forgave them after the compensated dating affair at the end of the first volume, which is non-coincidentally also the first time Takae actually acted like a decent person.
And yes, you are allowed to dislike them and find what they have done to be terrible. In fact, I do agree with that. They were two crazy shitheads that didn't get expelled largely by virtue of Moteshiro High being genuinely a shitty, bottom of the barrel school. But you are also completely disregarding the actual events of the story, especially on how Saotome dealt with them both. In fact, you are consistently chosing to ignore the fact that forgiving them and giving them second chances was always choice to be made by their victim, Saotome, and that he forgave them beyond just trying to endure them for sake of his school life.
You keep calling me enabler as if I wasn't constantly calling these two girls fucked up messes and explaining how their actions messed up Saotome, acussing me of stuff I didn't say.
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To be clear, I did not call anyone "a hater" I said they should "let the hate go". I know it sounds like the same thing, but there are different connotations for the two phrases. "A hater" is irrational and their hate is only in the context of bringing someone down unnecessarily. "Letting the hate go" has an implication that the hate was initially justified but the present situation is different from the initial reason for the hate, and a reevaluation is potentially justified.
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When the hodaka is undecisive! 😳
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He said he doesn't want to date right now. He didn't say I don't like you, I don't want to be your friend leave me alone.She confessed, and he said NO. So the character then doubles down, won't accept no for an answer, and is going to continue scheming because she doesn't give a rat's arse about what HE wants.
Which part of NO are you all having trouble getting your head around, or is NO only important when females say it?
He said he doesn't want to date ANYONE right now. THAT is a pretty clear NO that should have given him significant breathing room.
Instead, she admitted she didn't want to be a burden to him, and yet five minutes later resolved to have another crack at it anyway.
If it was guys acting like this, they'd be called stalkers or predators.
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No is a pretty clear No. Which he didn't say.He said he doesn't want to date ANYONE right now. THAT is a pretty clear NO that should have given him significant breathing room.
Instead, she admitted she didn't want to be a burden to him, and yet five minutes later resolved to have another crack at it anyway.
If it was guys acting like this, they'd be called stalkers or predators.
I mean, there is always Madoka, who would jump into his arms if he just asked her out.
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i hope this will end in harem
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It's wild that people are putting so much effort into debating about characters here. That's way more effort than the author is putting into any of the writing. This story just doesn't deserve such an intense level of passion.
There's all sorts of better, more interesting outcomes there could have been, but we aren't getting those. We're getting this boring, non-committal, predictable flow instead. Even the author regularly forgets that he actually added well more than 6 romance options, so when we see a depiction of "other girls" it's limited to people pre-Inukai. As a result it doesn't matter what wrenches get thrown in, because the hierarchy was established from the start: Kuzuhana will eventually be chosen, then we have the five runners-up, then we have everyone else like the ex-president and the kouhai crew who the author forgets even exist most of the time. Why get excited over anything, honestly?
There's all sorts of better, more interesting outcomes there could have been, but we aren't getting those. We're getting this boring, non-committal, predictable flow instead. Even the author regularly forgets that he actually added well more than 6 romance options, so when we see a depiction of "other girls" it's limited to people pre-Inukai. As a result it doesn't matter what wrenches get thrown in, because the hierarchy was established from the start: Kuzuhana will eventually be chosen, then we have the five runners-up, then we have everyone else like the ex-president and the kouhai crew who the author forgets even exist most of the time. Why get excited over anything, honestly?
Because it's a fun ride. Also, I'm for one thankful that the other potential romance interests were shoved back. More time to develop our main cast!
