Yofukashi no Uta - Ch. 164 - Curse

[RogerZero]

Murderers arnt murderers, its their parent's fault.
Murderers' parents arnt murderers, its their parent's fault.
Murderers' parents' parent arnt murderers, its their parent's fault.
[...]

You see how this is absurd. Kiku might have contributed to creating situations where murders happen, but unless you count the simple fact that vampires are 'undead' (which in this series may not even be the case), shes not killing people.

"Officer, I only gave my child a machine gun and lots of ammunition knowing they have chance for severe mental instability, how can it be my fault they murdered others??"

Its called "complicity", shes FACILITATING and AIDING as a consequence of NEGLIGENCE on her DIRECT AND SUBSTANTIAL contribution to the KILLING OF OTHERS...

 

[Rewhite]

I think i know why they both died , the simple reasoning is that the sun came up and Mahiru might've become a vampire , so they both died due to sunlight

but thats just a theory

I am pretty sure later it will be revealed like if vampire feed on men that she love she become human and instantly die and also as mentioned a little bit earlier person on whom she fed die too, maybe it some kind of weird metaphor or Romeo and Juliet homage, either way as it said in dialog between nazunas mom and kiku nobody know shit how it suppose to work.

 

[Eighty-six]

This arc was great y'all just have some awfull takes

The arc was okay-- didn't knock my socks off, but I do think it had value. That said, I'm normally a "let 'im cook" kind of guy once an author's bought enough of my trust.

There's this recurring theme of "Kiku deserved to die slowly and painfully for what she did over 400 or so years" among commenters, but I can't really get into that mode of thinking when it was established that she couldn't be killed outside of suicide because she had no known weakness, and especially not when none of the characters were pursuing her with the notion of killing her for "the greater good". She's not a conventionally moral person, but neither is any vampire, or even Kou. Even Kyouko only hunted vampires because of a personal grudge and a desire to die, herself.

I also don't get the idea that the arc lasted too long. This is the character that was brought up early on as this mysterious, erratic figure others didn't bother with, and she was a big enigma in backstory and motivation even when she had shown up prior to chapter 100. She was connected to another character who was a bit more familiar but was still not fleshed out along with his relation to the protagonist. It makes sense to me for her arc to include an exploration of Kou and Mahiru's friendship as well as Mahiru's past, and for said arc to last longer than other arcs that focused on a particular vampire.

That said, it's odd how she betrays Kou's trust and puts him in a situation where he needs to be bailed out by others, but doesn't hold it against her even a little bit. Was he planning on bringing it up if he discerned Mahiru was being manipulated/brainwashed? Was he planning on bringing it up after Mahiru got vamp'd?

Why did Kiku die then, because she sucked the blood of someone she loved? And second up, why did mahiro die? If it was because Kiku was his something special from his previous life, then it wasn't even needed for him to have known her as a child.

If that's the case, then yes, it wasn't needed.

Very little in a story is "needed", outside of conflict. But it's a detail that's important to the relevant characters, and accordingly fleshes them out.

A lot of readers were just here for the slice of life, didn't care nor have the emotional intelligence to absorb the heavier social commentary.

"Heavier social commentary"? There's no need to peacock about how you're supposedly a more astute person for not disliking the arc. I'm not even sure if there was any "social commentary" in this arc, compared to the others.

 

[asspussy]

Huh

 

[reu]

Lmao, called it

 

[reu]

@Aniki_pepehands

y'all

lmao

 

[feha]

I don’t get it. How come they both died?

Only way I can make it mesh with earlier lore, is this:

1. Kiku was correct, turning a loved one into a vampire does in fact kill the vampire. Unsure whether it is simply by making the sun work lethally instead of however it worked before, or if it was instant and merely coincided with the sunrise.
2. Boy's sentimental object was kiku herself, because of that flashback scene we just saw. Iirc vampires also remember their past when killed that way, which was why he saw the flashback and realized who she was. Either way, touching her when he's a vampire, caused him to die.
   1. Though this does make you wonder why turning someone that loves you (aka the entire mangas premise for how you can turn ppl) doesn't always kill them. I am assuming that there is a in-story difference between "Sentimental object" (an object tied to the past), and a "loved object" (an object you actively still love).
   2. Additionally, that other character who said that there is a rumor that turning a loved one into a vampire kills the human, might have also been correct. It is possible she wasn't the sentimental object, and it is simply that both die.
   3. Additionally, it might be that both of those are wrong, and it's simply that turning a human while they are hit by the sunlight kills them. They always said that the sun was annoying, so makes sense if someone who is partway into the process experiences it lethally.

If it was #2.2 or #2.3, that makes any distinction between any sentimental objects and loved objects redundant. So imo they are still more likely than #2.0.

 

[feha]

So let me get this straight
The plan was:

• Kiku bites Mahiru
• Kiku becomes human and die as a human
• Mahiru becomes a vampire and go hide from the sun to live

What actually happened:

• Kiku bites Mahiru
• Kiku did not become human and die in the sun as a vampire
• Mahiru becomes a vampire and decide to die in the sun

I guess it was what Mahiru meant in previous chapter when he said "I just can't do it". He meant he cant live while his loved one die, and hug her to signal a double log out.

Except vampires don't die from the sun. This would otherwise have been entirely redundant arc, if her "quest to find a means of dying" could be solved by "walking into the sunlight"

 

[Bjornshu]

Except vampires don't die from the sun. This would otherwise have been entirely redundant arc, if her "quest to find a means of dying" could be solved by "walking into the sunlight"

Vampires are able to be killed by the sun if they are in contact with their sentimental object in this case Kiku was Mahiru's sentimental object and Mahiru was hugging her as the sun came up

 

[feha]

Vampires are able to be killed by the sun if they are in contact with their sentimental object in this case Kiku was Mahiru's sentimental object and Mahiru was hugging her as the sun came up

Since they already die from touching the sentimental object even without any sunlight, that trait you just described seems a bit redundant.

 

[Hoanghoiham]

Since they already die from touching the sentimental object even without any sunlight, that trait you just described seems a bit redundant.

I'm not sure if that is the case, since Kiku said something along the line of "expose to sunlight won't immediately hurt you, but don't mess around".
Also if I remember correctly, the detective gave a ring to the vampire teacher, then sunlight shine on him and he got thanos'd.

 

[feha]

I'm not sure if that is the case, since Kiku said something along the line of "expose to sunlight won't immediately hurt you, but don't mess around".
Also if I remember correctly, the detective gave a ring to the vampire teacher, then sunlight shine on him and he got thanos'd.

Then [if sunlight is enough] couldn't her century spanning arc of finding a method of dying have ended after 2 chapter or 3? Or, like, negative a couple thousand chapters.

As for needing object + sun: Didn't the detective also try to kill current cast members in the middle of the night? And wasn't there something about a lighter just recently? Overall I also dont remember her explanation back then involving anything about the sun. But yeah, I might just be misremembering.

 

[Soulchou]

sure , kiku was annoying, but honestly the way they went out was really peaceful. i liked it : )

 

[Obunger]

Hopefully we can actually see the protagonist now.

 

[Ch0c0D0]

Bro was groomed???

 

[Ven20]

As a reminder, in earlier chapters, they explicitly said that if the vampire falls in love, their bite toward their lover will be deadly.

And the only way for a vampire to die as a human is to fall in love, which they by instinct are not supposed to.

So the bite of a vampire in love is deadly on both sides. But it’s not entirely a bad thing, is it?

From my theory, Mahiru, right after turning into a vampire, bited Kiku back. So by that they would both die since both of them drank a loved's blood

 

[DarkeLourd]

They haven't explicitly said what happens if a vampire drinks from a loved one. What they HAVE said explicitly is that vampires have an instinctual aversion to it and that some believe it'll kill the human. Kiku believed it would make the vampire become human. Based on what happened in this chapter neither seems to be exactly true. It seems like it makes them way weaker to the sun not unlike mementos from their human life.

 

[jesuscristo]

Ended it off with another nearly full flashback chapter nice

Holy cow people actually do complain about the story being revealed non linearly, honestly weird.

 

[himesaminako]

Holy cow people actually do complain about the story being revealed non linearly, honestly weird.

i don't think it's that weird, it honestly just feels like asspull to me when it happens so much, like most of this manga recently. it really feels like the author's just making things up as they go, and flashbacks are such an easy way to tell a story that you didn't really set up properly. nothing feels thought through.

non linear storytelling works great when you know exactly what you are setting up and what you're going to reveal, but everything involving kiku feels like a mess. the author built her up for so long at this point and the reveals and everything don't feel coherent or satisfying. there's half baked explanations everywhere, cookie cutter characters, and i don't really know any of the rules of the vampires anymore clearly since two died from sunlight. it was clear when introducing kiku for so long that the author didn't really know what they were going to do with her until the time came

 

[Noble-6]

Good riddance, "It's okay to hate people" fucking hell I thought vampire were supposed to be smart but she was one hell of a retard