Yoku Wakaranai Keredo Isekai ni Tensei Shiteita You Desu - Vol. 14 Ch. 65 - I Don't really get it, But this is some cringe naming sense

[stavekoff]

hooray the end of neil!

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

I enjoyed the crafting autism stories.

 

[SunSun]

Why not "Firestorm" instead of Pyronado?

The cartridge placement looks awkward af, putting them perpendicular to the guard would've been better imo.

The sword shape itself looks too arcadey, but artist is not an European sword expert so whatever.

 

[Vincentius]

I have just been retooling my Yoimiya and found out that she synergizes with Yun Jin so well that I’m ashamed. The grind never stops.

Yeah, especially if you have her at C6, since she grants an ATK SPD buff, which Yoimiya really appreciates.

Particularly as mine's on a bit of a non-standard build; instead of the typical 4pc Shimenawa, I run her on 4pc Retracing Bolide with an R5 Rust (I refuse to pull on the weapon banner, so I'll never get her sig) in a double Geo team comp alongside Zhongli.

As long as Zhongli's shield is up, it's basically an unconditional 120% Normal ATK DMG boost even before Yun Jin's burst comes into play. On top of that is an unconditional +50% shield strength that goes up to +75% with Zhongli's A1.

As an aside, Natlan has a craftable polearm that, as long as you could meet the energy requirements elsewhere, would be fantastic on Yun Jin: its substat is 51.7% DEF and grants 16-32% DEF for 15s after using a Skill. Combine that with 4pc Husk and you're looking at 122-148% DEF even without taking the actual artifact stats into account.

 

[anuanuanu]

The battery cylinders do look like they'd get in the way of grip; I wonder if it would've been possible just to slot them into the handle itself?

Like those old school maglites that takes 3 or 4 D sized batteries.

 

[TheAmberFang]

Or, as a scarier option, this was her tying an arm behind her back and the full effort blade would be a reality bending monstrosity.

Honestly, this is probably more accurate. It's been a while since I read the earlier chapters, but I recall something about level 3 (or maybe it was level 5) being considered "mastery" in this world. With levels well above that, she would be considered literally godly.

 

[pab101]

So much Skyrim flashback....

Her smithing harness looks really uncomfortable in action

With the "mods" or without?

 

[B3ll3r0ph0nt3s]

It's an idea, but there could be some concerns. The batteries are quite large, even where they are. They look to be about the size of D batteries. Though that's roughly able to fit in a manageably sized sword handle, the next concern is the toughness of the handle. If you hollow it out, it could compromise structural strength of the build, and we need to also remember that part of the blade extends into the handle, because that's how it's fastened. To go with this idea, the handle will have to be extended, and the cartridge casing reinforced, making the handle long enough to be wielded as a two-handed sword. She was probably trying to keep it one-handed because that's what was requested.

The specification called for a bastard sword, so the handle would be long enough to have two hands on there, but I agree on the size, a handle thick enough to hold two D batteries would be very uncomfortable to grip!

 

[Ardibeheszt]

Surprised they didn't try to get her to patent the cartridges

She patented it, small text (well quite big actually) under battery on page 21 "mana battery patent pending"

 

[mathmango]

Narrator: It got out

 

[AncientWatcher]

Sheesh, that pyronado has got to be as powerful as a blue water battleship's main guns.

Also, Ren has a better naming sense then the genderbent vampire from A Transmigration Vampire wants to take a nap.

 

[Amariithynar]

It's an idea, but there could be some concerns. The batteries are quite large, even where they are. They look to be about the size of D batteries. Though that's roughly able to fit in a manageably sized sword handle, the next concern is the toughness of the handle. If you hollow it out, it could compromise structural strength of the build, and we need to also remember that part of the blade extends into the handle, because that's how it's fastened. To go with this idea, the handle will have to be extended, and the cartridge casing reinforced, making the handle long enough to be wielded as a two-handed sword. She was probably trying to keep it one-handed because that's what was requested.

What was requested is a bastard sword, which is a hand-and-a-half sword, and the hilts of those are supposed to be much longer. She actually failed on that front of the request.

Furthermore, the cartridges could easily have slotted into the pommel of the hilt without issue.

 

[JACGohu]

What was requested is a bastard sword, which is a hand-and-a-half sword, and the hilts of those are supposed to be much longer. She actually failed on that front of the request.

Furthermore, the cartridges could easily have slotted into the pommel of the hilt without issue.

width-wise, yes. But I'm also trying to take into account the length of two cells, sized as they are, and the length of the sword metal which will need to be inserted into the handle so that it won't simply come apart and be comfortable to use. The length of those two cells stacked on top of each other will already be the length of a hand and a half. I'm no smith myself, but if what I've read and seen on programs like Man At Arms is anything, this is why I brought it up.

 

[Amariithynar]

width-wise, yes. But I'm also trying to take into account the length of two cells, sized as they are, and the length of the sword metal which will need to be inserted into the handle so that it won't simply come apart and be comfortable to use. The length of those two cells stacked on top of each other will already be the length of a hand and a half. I'm no smith myself, but if what I've read and seen on programs like Man At Arms is anything, this is why I brought it up.

Pommel. Pommel goes at the end of the sword, attached to the tang to pin the grip against the crossguard (and if your sword rattles, then likely the pommel is loose, or the crossguard was made ill-fittingly). And no, those cells even at an angle didn't go past half of a one-handed sword's grip length; if aligned straight and even if put in series, they'd not be anywhere near a bastard swords' proper hilt length.

 

[JACGohu]

Pommel. Pommel goes at the end of the sword, attached to the tang to pin the grip against the crossguard (and if your sword rattles, then likely the pommel is loose, or the crossguard was made ill-fittingly). And no, those cells even at an angle didn't go past half of a one-handed sword's grip length; if aligned straight and even if put in series, they'd not be anywhere near a bastard swords' proper hilt length.

Not the batteries by themselves, no. Point I've been trying to make is the part of the metal from the blade needs to inserted into the handle up to a certain length, in order to be secure. Past that will need to be the hollowed out space for those cells, and that length will stack up. The length of the metal protrusion plus the cells, plus the ends of the casing to protect the cells from damage, plus the pommel, will make it longer than what they have now. If they're okay with it, fine. But the design makes it seem that Ren prioritized this kind of grip because of the parameters of the request, which would force her to place the cells in the angled positions instead of in the handle. Considering how the pommel is fastened to even normal blades, that's a lengthy piece of metal. I'm trying to consider what it might take to accomodate both to satisfy being able to place the cells in the handle in a way where hopefully, the handle won't just break and injure the user.

 

[Amariithynar]

... the part of the metal from the blade (that) needs to be inserted into the handle...

The tang, as I already stated.

... up to a certain length, in order to be secure. Past that will need to be the hollowed out space for those cells, and that length will stack up.

Yes it would be longer, which would make it actually a hand-and-a-half sword hilt. She designed it as a perfectly straight and smooth grip, which is closer to how a one-handed sword grip is designed, and, again, did not make it long enough (though the one image of him holding it with both hands shows it as being outsized, but it very obviously is not that size in other panels; the artist is not very good at keeping things to scale; we see this in both other panels with him and the sword, as well as when she is handling it, with her much smaller hands). A straight grip can be done, but it must be done so with an embossed handle so that one's grip does not slip.

The hilt on a bastard sword is meant to flare out beneath the base of where one hand would sit as a pseudo-pommel, to allow for one-handed sword use without sliding within one's grip, and then a whole other following section below that and above the pommel for the first two to three fingers to wrap around with the pommel either sitting beneath the pinky (as it would with a two-handed sword or on the one hand for a one-handed sword) or firmly gripped by the ring and pinky fingers, for the slightly shorter variety. This holds true regardless of the tang being a simple taper, because the grip (the part of the hilt made up of the (optional) two scales that fit to the tang and the (required) wrapping that goes around it; scales were used to provide a firmer shape for the wielder to grip, and we see them retained in non-budget kitchen knives today) gets built up appropriately. See as examples:

Also I have no idea where you keep getting this idea of the grip needing to be "hollowed out", when they can simply be attached at the pommel. The top of the container is easily set with the tang peened to it, and the batteries within the receptacle past it, or as I stated, "slotted into the pommel".

The length of the metal protrusion plus the cells, plus the ends of the casing to protect the cells from damage, plus the pommel, will make it longer than what they have now. If they're okay with it, fine. But the design makes it seem that Ren prioritized this kind of grip because of the parameters of the request, which would force her to place the cells in the angled positions instead of in the handle. Considering how the pommel is fastened to even normal blades, that's a lengthy piece of metal. I'm trying to consider what it might take to accomodate both to satisfy being able to place the cells in the handle in a way where hopefully, the handle won't just break and injure the user.

See above that renders this all moot.

Also, no, the pommel is not a lengthy piece of metal; your diagrams simply show one-handed swords; they're only about the width of an average man's ring finger and pinky tightly pressed together while the hilt is meant to be grasped in a relaxed grip with fingers not crushed together for them, and with even more space between pinky and pommel for a bastard sword; though of course later periods could use more fanciful designs that might include a longer neck and smaller body for the pommel (as shown above) because the sword's balance does not require as much counterweight, say from being made as a thinner sword (which is how the Estoc was derived, paring a longsword down to be a greatsword stiletto, effective against plate and mail armor both).

 

[JACGohu]

Also I have no idea where you keep getting this idea of the grip needing to be "hollowed out", when they can simply be attached at the pommel. The top of the container is easily set with the tang peened to it, and the batteries within the receptacle past it, or as I stated, "slotted into the pommel".


Also, no, the pommel is not a lengthy piece of metal; your diagrams simply show one-handed swords; they're only about the width of an average man's ring finger and pinky tightly pressed together while the hilt is meant to be grasped in a relaxed grip with fingers not crushed together for them, and with even more space between pinky and pommel for a bastard sword; though of course later periods could use more fanciful designs that might include a longer neck and smaller body for the pommel (as shown above) because the sword's balance does not require as much counterweight, say from being made as a thinner sword (which is how the Estoc was derived, paring a longsword down to be a greatsword stiletto, effective against plate and mail armor both).

I don't disagree, but to address it individually, my original mention to have a hollowed out section was for the area containing the cells. Essentially a battery casing. Diagram is indeed for a one-handed sword, but more to the point I was trying to make, the diagram is meant to represent how the pommel is attached, and how to secure the handle. From this structure, this is where I was concerned about where to place the cells. Looking at the art, I'm only making a rough estimate that the cells are approximately the size of size-D dry cells, which according to info online, are 2.42 inches in height, or 61.5 mm. Setting aside attaching the pommel for a moment, stacking 2 of those and mounting them in the handle will add a whole 5 inches to the length of the grip, not including small allowances for fittings, fasteners, and ways to try to protect the cells from shock and impact. After which, comes fastening the pommel. If we place it all in a linear arrangement, the length of metal below the blade which is supposed to be secured inside the handle, probably with a pin if not to the end and the pommel, plus the cell casing, then the pommel, is the concern about the length that I brought up.

As I admitted, I'm no smith, so I don't know if there's even a way to secure all that properly for a weapon that's supposed to be used in combat. My fear is if it's just a basic structure to hold everything together, it could break and gouge a chunk of flesh out of the user's hand. And I certainly don't know the tensile strength of the Adamantite they use here, so I can't conceive or suggest any way to safely place everything in the handle. I'm just bringing up what the conceivable structure could be, and the potential problems with it, which may be why Ren chose to do it the way she did.