Yuusha Party kara Oidasareta Fuguushoku [Wanashi] Yunikku Sukiru [Yajirushi] de Saikyou ni Naru - Ch. 8

[Amirifiz]

The only thing I can think of is that his traps just weren't effective/strong enough for stronger monsters. I'm also sure some monsters are intelligent and don't blindly chase to fall into traps/can maybe sense them.

Showed as much in the 1st or 2nd chapter when he was using his new trap and the monster dodged it.

 

[JamAdo]

From page 19:

Okay so the concept of luring mobs towards traps is a strategy that people in this world are aware of? Then why was this ever a problem for the highly-ranked "Holy Sword"? Surely they were capable of coming up with this as well. Is there any reasonable answer besides "it's what needed to happen for the story to exist"?

I thought this was one of those instances where they removed him from the party because they actually like him, but they don't want him to get hurt as they do progressively harder dungeons.

 

[vannn]

Sure, but then that's less a "trapper is a bad job" problem and more a "party didn't bother to level him" problem - like I'm sure if any of the other heroes were still level 10 they'd be just as useless in comparison.


From what we've seen the MC is able to put them down almost instantly - and that's not even including the goofy stuff the arrow can do. Heck, even in this fight the commander is asking him to set up a trap as soldiers are bringing the monsters over, so it surely can't take that long...

It’s just a plot hole, author seems to be just doing a paint by numbers ‘weak to strong’ kicked out of the party story and not thinking too hard about world building (or we wouldn’t have this weird contradiction of trapmaster = no utility but also have tactics built around the class). We don’t even get the “one weird trick” that suddenly flips the common sense of the trap master vocation, he just gets a random power up he never would have access to otherwise.

 

[jagfanbb]

Ah yes.... not having your best tanks in front to do the job they were brought in for. Classic tactical strategy by every famous strategist in history.

 

[quser]

It's the Can Opener boss

 

[DaDingo]

Sure, but then that's less a "trapper is a bad job" problem and more a "party didn't bother to level him" problem - like I'm sure if any of the other heroes were still level 10 they'd be just as useless in comparison.


From what we've seen the MC is able to put them down almost instantly - and that's not even including the goofy stuff the arrow can do. Heck, even in this fight the commander is asking him to set up a trap as soldiers are bringing the monsters over, so it surely can't take that long...

i fully agree that Holy sword failed Mc and they just went "its our fault that your this weak but f off and quit being an adventurer"

they honestly strike me as the type of muscle headed people that will go in like "I'll weaken the monsters to let him get more exp!" but then get to the dungeon boss only to realize that they killed everything not giving Mc a chance at anything.

Also we don't really see lv's of these particular dungeons so Mc could be one shoting mobs 20 levels lower than him not to mention "Holy sword" seems to all be combat type classes so that makes it more likely they have quick battle starters which also one shot the mobs.

Translation: they probably were faster than him so even if he could one shot them they can too and since they are faster...

This probably made the kill sheet look something like this.

[Holy sword]: 50 kills
[Mc]: 3 kills

 

[VooXoo]

Still don't like the plot point of MC being officially expelled, should hve told the team they don't deserve the bad rep and left on his own.
The gesture of kicking him out was enough, as he understood the reality of the situation there was no reason to make it concrete.
Is even worse as he knows that if it gets out it trouble the party, that is weird in my opinion as in half the expelled story the reason for it happening is good until MC get the miracolous OP skill a couple minutes after leaving (the other half is the MC was OP the whole time and acted as a support), he leaving for not being able to adventure to the team level is a more than good enough reason.

 

[Yoona_ssi]

Thanks for update

 

[Toloran]

i second this and i think it became more efficient for holy sword to just kill the monsters faster than to lead them to a trap, maybe he has debuff traps so they did it for strong monsters or larger groups of mobs but even then because of the level difference his trap damage wouldn't be worth the extra work....and again that is only because holy sword didn't let him level up enough.

ultimately traps are time consuming and take alot of effort to get them to work at their best.

It's also something I see in RPGs a lot (especially TTRPGs):

Killing enemies fast is almost always preferable over any other option. If they die fast, you don't need as many healing or recovery resources. If they die fast, you don't get hit as much which is generally than taking less damage when you are hit. So in the end, DPS is king.

So if you have a party composition, there's almost always a realistic maximum of how many people you can bring. Even if it's not 'hard coded' (like in a video game), there still is always a point where any more just get in the way. So you want each member to be as effective as possible.

So when a situation comes up with a Buffer/Utility character, the question is: Do the benefits they bring outweigh whatever they're replacing? Why bring them instead of just another DPS? If you want added safety, bring another tank or healer. If you need more DPS, why not bring another DPS? And in most systems, the answer to all those questions is "No, just bring the DPS/Tank/Healer/Whatever instead of the buffer".

And that's the issue with the trapper character: If he's not making the group significantly safer, and his damage is piddling, why bring him at all? At best he's less effective than anyone else you could bring, and at worst he's a liability since he isn't effective and is a drain on party resources.

 

[sjmcc13]

lol... Sending 14 year olds into life and death combat situations... never change Japan, never change.

Try Enders Game, that has fleets being lead by kids who have not even hit puberty (ender is 11 or 12 during the last battle IIRC, and I believe Bean is younger)

 

[jokerxhisoka]

Exactly. Japan's not alone, America and Batman have been doing it since the 1940's.

I think all major super heroes have an underage sidekick.

 

[Nunally]

From page 19:

Okay so the concept of luring mobs towards traps is a strategy that people in this world are aware of? Then why was this ever a problem for the highly-ranked "Holy Sword"? Surely they were capable of coming up with this as well. Is there any reasonable answer besides "it's what needed to happen for the story to exist"?

Even if the trap is as strong, its more efficient to just hit them directly with the same strength, rather than wasting time to lure them first, and each member of Holy Sword is more capable than that.

 

[yetanothergeek]

Thanks for the consistent release!

 

[Oeconomist]

Editor-san should have noted to Author-san that an experienced adventurer would not be so lacking in situational awareness that he would allow two schlubs to walk-up behind him and look at his phone-set. “Do not fuck a monkey, Author-san.”

 

[JJTheWeeb]

From page 19:

Okay so the concept of luring mobs towards traps is a strategy that people in this world are aware of? Then why was this ever a problem for the highly-ranked "Holy Sword"? Surely they were capable of coming up with this as well. Is there any reasonable answer besides "it's what needed to happen for the story to exist"?

because they were speedrunning. They're even still speedrunning rn to destroy the origin dungeon so they can retire and harem it up with protag. leading mosnters into traps is probably fine, but as mentioned by other comments, what's the benefit of levelling the trapper? You still need to rely on the leading monsters into the traps that literally everyone can see, so there's not much reason to bother levelling him up because it's both slower and doesn't bring much benefit. Obviously he's there for morale cause they want a harem, but even that's not worth that much when the girls are clearly super dedicated, so can self-motivate for the most part.

Again, the biggest problem with the story is how neither side of the party even attempt to just, stay in touch directly, instead, the ninja girl is the only one keeping watch of protag and choosing not to report his state to the others (see previous chapter)

 

[chickenstalker]

This mc is like a minecraft youtuber, he only gets around 14 years old kids

Manga is for kids. I know, I know, adults love manga too, but they are primarily for teenagers. You need characters of the reader's age for them to relate to. Also, if you think every relationship is sexual, you have a YOU problem.

 

[AsteroidCreator99]

Manga is for kids. I know, I know, adults love manga too, but they are primarily for teenagers. You need characters of the reader's age for them to relate to. Also, if you think every relationship is sexual, you have a YOU problem.

I know that not every relationship has something sexual, but you don't think is a little suspicious of an adult being around teenagers, not even in a sexual way? Like mj, he wasn't doing anything wrong, he used to play with kids and being friendly with them, but he had a tough childhood and he wanted to experience that. Maybe it's not wrong, but it still isn't normal

 

[BrunoVilla]

Tbh the dude was more reasonable thqn i would expect like yeah it makes sense to also protect the client too inguess . I mean usually when someone in works likr this say something like yeah i got a feeling we should do it like this he just get trashwd down lol

Yeah, that's kinda a miracle in light novels. Usually, every extra male character is an asshole or stupid.

 

[razorshaleh]

hhhmmm.... "My mom sick, i need elixir. THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE WITH THIS WORLD'S TECHNOLOGY" remember me Solo leveling then 14 - 16 years old fought in dungeon & saw dead people in front him which was traumatizing

thanks for translating

 

[Wolvenworks]

Piccolo: why didn’t you dodge?