Yuusha Party ni Kawaii Ko ga Ita no de, Kokuhaku Shite Mita - Vol. 10 Ch. 49.2

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I sure as hell hope not. This series has thus far avoided such dreaded tropes (thoug it could very much use stronger world building). It'd be like flushing it down the toilet...
Tropes (even overused ones) aren’t inherently bad, it’s just how you use them, and sometimes they’re just unavoidable, And in this situation I’d argue what I said before is part of that in inevitability. in this situation it’ll be worse if author made an “original” halfassed development instead of using a trope that would just perfectly fit in the current situation.

even without all this big talk, I just can’t imagine mc would sit still and let another man make a move on cecelia, it just isn’t right you know.
 
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Ladies, get you a man that looks at you like Youki does on page 8. :glee:
 
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Tropes (even overused ones) aren’t inherently bad, it’s just how you use them, and sometimes they’re just unavoidable, And in this situation I’d argue what I said before is part of that in inevitability. in this situation it’ll be worse if author made an “original” halfassed development instead of using a trope that would just perfectly fit in the current situation.

even without all this big talk, I just can’t imagine mc would sit still and let another man make a move on cecelia, it just isn’t right you know.
Tropes that have arisen from lazy, unimaginative writing or just cheap ways to introduce drama are certainly bad. I've yet to find a good, entertaining use of those and I've been consuming various media for a fair amount of time. I don't mind the fact that it's not original, I just don't want slop and that's what using these kinds of scenarios leads to.

She's not his fiancee, you know, much less his wife. If she were, then it wouldn't be right and he'd have grounds to protest. They're not even in any kind of established relationship. It's just shameless to presume you could shoo away other suitors in this situation.
 
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To be better prepared, they’ll give them scenarios to prepare for. Then there will be the wedding scenario and bro will be there to help out as the “groom” but plot twist it was all for real, and always have been
 
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Tropes that have arisen from lazy, unimaginative writing or just cheap ways to introduce drama are certainly bad. I've yet to find a good, entertaining use of those and I've been consuming various media for a fair amount of time. I don't mind the fact that it's not original, I just don't want slop and that's what using these kinds of scenarios leads to.

She's not his fiancee, you know, much less his wife. If she were, then it wouldn't be right and he'd have grounds to protest. They're not even in any kind of established relationship. It's just shameless to presume you could shoo away other suitors in this situation.
So you’re telling me that, if you had a crush, and that crush is about to go on a date with someone else, and possibly start dating afterwords, you’d just let them?, you wouldn’t at least put up a fight? …

anyway we can agree to disagree on the trope thingy, but letting your goal slip away is objectively the wrong choice.
 
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So you’re telling me that, if you had a crush, and that crush is about to go on a date with someone else, and possibly start dating afterwords, you’d just let them?, you wouldn’t at least put up a fight? …

anyway we can agree to disagree on the trope thingy, but letting your goal slip away is objectively the wrong choice.
What would you have me do? Tell her she can't? Crash the date and proclaim my undying love? Stalk them, like your idea for Youki? Sorry, but I'm too old for such high school drama. The situation you described means my efforts to convert her from crush to partner have failed, otherwise she'd not be interested in dating other guys. I know that a lot of fiction depicts the "persistent" suitor as having the last laugh, but IRL this just gets you a restraining order.

The situation in the manga is nothing like that. Here there is the understanding, that the girl is simply obligated to attend, due to both parties' statuses and overall decorum. So yeah, I'd just sit back and wait. If I didn't, I'd be as crazy as the people who freak out when their GF has to go on a company trip. It's not healthy to obsess what the other person might do out of our sight, you know. Is there the risk that she might want to start a relationship with someone else? Sure, but there always will be, you standing with your ear at the door won't help.
 
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What would you have me do? Tell her she can't? Crash the date and proclaim my undying love? Stalk them, like your idea for Youki? Sorry, but I'm too old for such high school drama. The situation you described means my efforts to convert her from crush to partner have failed, otherwise she'd not be interested in dating other guys. I know that a lot of fiction depicts the "persistent" suitor as having the last laugh, but IRL this just gets you a restraining order.

The situation in the manga is nothing like that. Here there is the understanding, that the girl is simply obligated to attend, due to both parties' statuses and overall decorum. So yeah, I'd just sit back and wait. If I didn't, I'd be as crazy as the people who freak out when their GF has to go on a company trip. It's not healthy to obsess what the other person might do out of our sight, you know. Is there the risk that she might want to start a relationship with someone else? Sure, but there always will be, you standing with your ear at the door won't help.
It’s precisely because she Isn’t planning on marrying anyone yet that this situation is more suspicious, we know it’s someone they can’t just reject outright, and knowing what happened with the first encounter they had with the other hero, mc really can’t just sit still, there’s a high probability of there being a trap or blackmailing.
And I didn’t say you should crash anything, but if nothing has happened between your crush and the person who asked for the date, then before the date happens it’s fine to try your best to turn the tides (in a reasonable way of course) otherwise it wouldn’t have been something important in the first place
 
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It’s precisely because she Isn’t planning on marrying anyone yet that this situation is more suspicious, we know it’s someone they can’t just reject outright, and knowing what happened with the first encounter they had with the other hero, mc really can’t just sit still, there’s a high probability of there being a trap or blackmailing.
Suspicious? Why? She's a single young woman of marriagable age and a celebrity, so she gets propositioned. Her mother said that she usually just declines the invitations. While it's in poor taste to rely purely on status to get a foot in the door, it's not unexpected that someone like that would still want to try his luck. In any case, her family would be the first to get suspicious if there really was cause, not an outsider with no idea about noble society, like Youki. Given their relationship with him, they'd ask for his help themselves.

As for "traps", while I can't rule out some strange deus ex machina for that to happen, in the end that would just be bad writing. Logically there is nothing to blackmail her with and no real way to strongarm her, without drawing the ire of her friends and possibly the kingdom itself. The other hero was an asshat with a superiority complex, and he did talk tough, but didn't attack her in the end, likely for the above reasons, since he had no trouble attacking the peasant girl.

And I didn’t say you should crash anything, but if nothing has happened between your crush and the person who asked for the date, then before the date happens it’s fine to try your best to turn the tides (in a reasonable way of course) otherwise it wouldn’t have been something important in the first place
That's the thing, the whole "turning of tides" is the wrong way to approach this. Rather than thinking what you could do to make some impossible comeback, you should think about what got you to this point in the first place. A relationship based on some great turning moments, rather than the natural, everyday buildup of affection is a sitcom thing that will likely end in yet another grand spectacle. This is the reason that the MC's and FMC's interactions seem genuine and promising, unlike the shenanigans of many shounen manga, where pointless drama is king.
 
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Suspicious? Why? She's a single young woman of marriagable age and a celebrity, so she gets propositioned. Her mother said that she usually just declines the invitations. While it's in poor taste to rely purely on status to get a foot in the door, it's not unexpected that someone like that would still want to try his luck. In any case, her family would be the first to get suspicious if there really was cause, not an outsider with no idea about noble society, like Youki. Given their relationship with him, they'd ask for his help themselves.

As for "traps", while I can't rule out some strange deus ex machina for that to happen, in the end that would just be bad writing. Logically there is nothing to blackmail her with and no real way to strongarm her, without drawing the ire of her friends and possibly the kingdom itself. The other hero was an asshat with a superiority complex, and he did talk tough, but didn't attack her in the end, likely for the above reasons, since he had no trouble attacking the peasant girl.


That's the thing, the whole "turning of tides" is the wrong way to approach this. Rather than thinking what you could do to make some impossible comeback, you should think about what got you to this point in the first place. A relationship based on some great turning moments, rather than the natural, everyday buildup of affection is a sitcom thing that will likely end in yet another grand spectacle. This is the reason that the MC's and FMC's interactions seem genuine and promising, unlike the shenanigans of many shounen manga, where pointless drama is king.
nah it actually makes more sense, think about it, the demon lord is dead, and the countries are back to their political shenanigans, every country had a hero’s party (maybe not every one but based on what they said, that’s how it seems) but only the hero party of the country where the mc is at managed to defeat the demon lord, it’s obvious that at the very least there’s some hidden agenda. plus having youki be there at the time of this interview has no downside, if nothing happens then that’s good, if something happens then we won’t have to go through a whole “save the princess arc (which is how it feels like the narrative is heading towards)


Neither one of the two is bad, it’s just how people approach their preferences in romance in general, there’s no way of telling which one is best, a smooth long journey can be as good as a fairytale with a lot of drama and ups and down, plus remember this is fictional story, it needs to be entertaining even if it’s not realistic, that’s the whole reason we read/watch fantasy. there isn’t a lot of reality grounded romance stories in anime, but the ones I know might just be perfect for you, like: tsuki ga kirei, sign of affection, and skip and loafer
 
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nah it actually makes more sense, think about it, the demon lord is dead, and the countries are back to their political shenanigans, every country had a hero’s party (maybe not every one but based on what they said, that’s how it seems) but only the hero party of the country where the mc is at managed to defeat the demon lord, it’s obvious that at the very least there’s some hidden agenda. plus having youki be there at the time of this interview has no downside, if nothing happens then that’s good, if something happens then we won’t have to go through a whole “save the princess arc (which is how it feels like the narrative is heading towards)
Nothing so far points to a hidden agenda. The other party is a noble and also celebrated for being a hero party member. It makes sense that he (or his family) would want a wife similarily prominent. That's both how you consolidate power and keep a prestigious image. Unless this is the agenda you speak of: that he doesn't much care about her in particular and just wants the prestige as well as a connection to the hero. If so, that's how marriage has pretty much worked for the majority of human history, you know.

As for Youki, there is a problem with him being there. Namely for Cecilia. Would you be comfortable with him hanging around (and let's be honest, most likely listening in) in her place? If you mean to get him there secretly, that's even worse if she ever finds out. Her family might not expect for her to agree to the marriage, but it's still only right to let her decide in peace by herself. It's also basic courtesy towards the other side. What is that suitor going to do, anyway? Kidnap her right there and then? Not only is she herself not without power, what would be the point? Other than starting a war and getting those heroes who killed the Demon King on your and your country's asses.

Neither one of the two is bad, it’s just how people approach their preferences in romance in general, there’s no way of telling which one is best, a smooth long journey can be as good as a fairytale with a lot of drama and ups and down, plus remember this is fictional story, it needs to be entertaining even if it’s not realistic, that’s the whole reason we read/watch fantasy. there isn’t a lot of reality grounded romance stories in anime, but the ones I know might just be perfect for you, like: tsuki ga kirei, sign of affection, and skip and loafer
I was under the impression that we were hypothesizing about RL in this paragraph, you did after all ask what I would do. Fiction has it's own rules, obviously.
 
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Nothing so far points to a hidden agenda. The other party is a noble and also celebrated for being a hero party member. It makes sense that he (or his family) would want a wife similarily prominent. That's both how you consolidate power and keep a prestigious image. Unless this is the agenda you speak of: that he doesn't much care about her in particular and just wants the prestige as well as a connection to the hero. If so, that's how marriage has pretty much worked for the majority of human history, you know.

As for Youki, there is a problem with him being there. Namely for Cecilia. Would you be comfortable with him hanging around (and let's be honest, most likely listening in) in her place? If you mean to get him there secretly, that's even worse if she ever finds out. Her family might not expect for her to agree to the marriage, but it's still only right to let her decide in peace by herself. It's also basic courtesy towards the other side. What is that suitor going to do, anyway? Kidnap her right there and then? Not only is she herself not without power, what would be the point? Other than starting a war and getting those heroes who killed the Demon King on your and your country's asses.


I was under the impression that we were hypothesizing about RL in this paragraph, you did after all ask what I would do. Fiction has it's own rules, obviously.
“Other than starting a war”… you know, you might have just answered yourself :thonk: , but who knows, we’ll just have to wait, I’m pretty sure he won’t just sit still, and narratively speaking, there’s no point in introducing a “rivalry“ that has no affect on the story or just gets resolved off-screen, not to mention the timing of this marriage talk and what‘s happening with that mc clone… It might be a reach, but I’ll bet it’s connected anyway, so we’ll just have to wait for next ch to see.

it was nice debating with ya mate:salute:
 
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“Other than starting a war”… you know, you might have just answered yourself :thonk:
It's just that there are less risky ways to do that, than aiming for a member of the strongest party, in soon-to-be enemy territory and having to deal with unknown elements, one of which happens to be a uber powerful demon who's smitten with your target, as luck would have it. Hell, the maid herself stands a good chance to kick his ass... But I guess there's no point speculating further, as you say.

it was nice debating with ya mate:salute:
Any time.
 

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