Black Madougushi Guild wo Tsuihousareta Watashi, Oukyuu Majutsushi to shite Hirowareru - Ch. 6

[AnotherDuck]

Like how you add to what the guards should totally know because you think so?

I said if they were competent; I didn't assume they knew. I don't think they are, so they wouldn't know. That was the point.

You, however, add a lot of extra details to what I say, which can easily be disproven. So no, not like that.

Because they let him get close to the VIP which show some level of trust, otherwise they'd have one of the guard get the glass + a poison tester take a sip first.

Ah, yes, not believing someone be an assassin is exactly the same as knowing a specific butler is highly trusted by the royal court to the point that offending him is the same as offending the royal family.

You're reaching, and you've reached too far. You accuse me of what you're doing yourself, you use strawman arguments, and you use ridiculous assumptions that are biased to give your arguments even the slightest credibility. I don't need to say more to counter your arguments.

 

[WhimsiCat]

You accuse me of what you're doing yourself, you use strawman arguments,

Do you even know what is the actual arguments to actually call something a strawman? Or are you just using buzzwords because it makes you seem smarter.

Ah, yes, not believing someone be an assassin is exactly the same as knowing a specific butler is highly trusted by the royal court to the point that offending him is the same as offending the royal family.

The butler has serve for several years and this ball is an event held regularly, so unless this is the first time these guards ever attend this event, they'd have seen him before.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Do you even know what is the actual arguments to actually call something a strawman? Or are you just using buzzwords because it makes you seem smarter.

Constructing arguments that the person you're arguing with hasn't used, or modifying actual arguments, for the purpose of making them easier to refute. Essentially arguing against a metaphorical strawman rather than against the person you're supposedly arguing against. Which is what you've been doing.

 

[WhimsiCat]

Constructing arguments that the person you're arguing with hasn't used, or modifying actual arguments, for the purpose of making them easier to refute. Essentially arguing against a metaphorical strawman rather than against the person you're supposedly arguing against. Which is what you've been doing.

So you say, but you're not saying what is this argument that is the core of the topic, thus be the reference for what other things would identify as strawman.

Seems like you're doing some strawman yourself.

 

[AnotherDuck]

So you say, but you're not saying what is this argument that is the core of the topic, thus be the reference for what other things would identify as strawman.

Seems like you're doing some strawman yourself.

I think your bot program broke down.

 

[Elmithian]

I think your bot program broke down.

Honestly, why is he being so argumentative about something that is common sense?

They got tunnel vision and failed to do their job. She did her job, even if she didn't do it perfectly.

It is like the difference between a group of guards training their guns at a kid whilst a kidnapper uses that distraction to take their charge since all of the guards are for some reason not keeping an eye on their subject

vs.

A bodyguard jumping in front of a bullet and managing to take the bullet but ending up body slamming their charge, causing some slight injuries or even a broken bone.

One is incompetence of the highest degree, the other is a flawed, but successful rescue.

 

[RamenRider]

They were just doing their jobs. It'd be more doubtful for bodyguards to just take the word of a stranger at face value.
They WERE in the process of asking her to show her proof of identity when the assassin act.

Also as seen in the chapter, once the shadows show up they prioritized protecting their charge, some being injured/possibly dead in the process.

Meanwhile Noel was so preoccupied with trying to catch the culprit she almost let the princess get harmed.

And YOU want them to face more consequences?

They didn’t do any due diligence and completely turned their backs on the possible assassin. The hurt feelings of one Butler if they take the princess away from an accused assassin mean nothing compared to the risk of it actually being one. Nor is having a battle with a mage of at least some skill with the princess right there as an easy potshot a good idea. The competent thing to do would have been to have at least one or two designated to move the princess away from the theoretical danger WITHOUT possible assassin A coming with her.

You can say their deaths are a fine punishment, but they still need a verbal thrashing about all the ways they screwed up and got people killed as a result if only to have some guidance about how to learn from this massive series of mistakes. The butler was in charge of the princess’s food. He should have been watched to make sure nobody tampers with the food on his way to/from any kitchens.

 

[WhimsiCat]

They didn’t do any due diligence and completely turned their backs on the possible assassin. The hurt feelings of one Butler if they take the princess away from an accused assassin mean nothing compared to the risk of it actually being one.

The butler was in proximity of the target before, meaning whatever security measure the have were already taken (if any)
Which is to say the assassin, worthy of his skill, was 'trusted' as of when Noel jumped in.

To expect them to trust Noel, at this point unidentified person, would means you expect the guards to paradoxically be both wary of the butler enough to trust stranger's warning AND trust him enough to let him get close to the princess.
And if you're expecting them to be paranoid enough to trust no one, then the fact you expect them to immediately trust her is clearly some bias thinking on your side (if they're REALLY paranoid of everything, they'd be paranoid she's another assassin, using either innocent person/first assassin to make them think she's on their side)

It's not like criminal pretending to be the victim/good guy is even rare.

Nor is having a battle with a mage of at least some skill with the princess right there as an easy potshot a good idea. The competent thing to do would have been to have at least one or two designated to move the princess away from the theoretical danger WITHOUT possible assassin A coming with her.

We don't actually know what they were doing on the side.
Though consider Noel who could move faster than they can react still got eventually suppressed by the sheer amount of shadows, I highly doubt the guards could just push through to safety.

I'm not sure why you people think every 'competent' guards have to have power on par with THE elites of royal court mages as well as assassin who's using priceless artifact.
If you think the guard should totally be able to handle that, either you're underestimating the power level of Noel/the assassin(or rather the artifact he had) or greatly overestimating the guards.

 

[Ryrie]

I swear people love making ideal scenarios based on their omniscient viewpoint. Things aren't as obvious to the characters as they are to people looking at the entire situation through a screen especially since you know how it gets resolved in the end.

 

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