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It has a fairly good start, can't wait to see how the story unfolds
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FMC is trash. Like the prototype of all trashy girls. I accidently picked it up on a different webpage where it wasn't shown that it was shoujo, my fu%^ing mistake.
Basically FMC competes with MC, be it physically (THE MOST MORONIC THING) and academics, somehow she gets 2nd place in academics and lacks basic understanding that during puberty boys become stronger than girls. But i digress. So she has that competitive spirit, well not really she uses really trashy methods in order to decrease his academical level, alas she doesn't succeed. Her last resort? Confess to him, even though she doesn't like him, in order to tilt him.....Great....Surprise he accepts and even returns her feelings, but what a set back bitch doesn't have feelings for him and actively is being friendly with the other guy......
How to tell that you are reading shoujo, MC's are either psychopathic or massively autistic with 0 emotions, there is always a playful playboy around the corner for some NTR action, which mostly girls (not all women) like. Girl is doing something really trashy and nobody really scolds her or holds her accountable.
In my adult male mind circuits were fuming while reading this. I've shelved it until maybe death comes knocking at my doors.
Be mindful they are 17-18, this behaviour from FMC side is outright trashy and cannot be called childrens games at this age. MC is a different story, how can someone fall in love with such a trashy character? And take shit from them constantly? Yeah I forgot girls fantasy, having a delinquent like playboy type around the corner who can stick in you at any moment (feels like it) and autistic MC who is diligent, almost genius(or genius) who despite her bitchy behaviour still tries to pursue her.
Stark contrast to what normal guys would:
- I like you too!
That's what I consider a more or less normal answer to her actions, what we see:
- I like you too!
What girly comics lack most of the time is a male perspective on self respect, most of the authors either are truly ignorant (i know for a fact girls who grew up without fathers tend to lack this knowledge) or malicious, their maliciousness basically contradicts with what male population would tolerate. In whole honesty pubescent boys could literally blow and slap a woman (punch or kick, pick your poison) with similar situation what we see in this shoujo.
Now think of a situation, a girl who lacks any role model or a figure (there are many nowadays it's not like we are throwing 10% of girls under the bus or creating drama bombs, the percentage is much higher) who can tell about boys way of thinking, reads this manwa or many other similar to this one. She gets fake information and fake perception which can turn out quite tragic in the end for both sides. FYI, perverted(in most cases even without perverted tag) shounen harem is the other side of the coin, which i also dislike.
Basically FMC competes with MC, be it physically (THE MOST MORONIC THING) and academics, somehow she gets 2nd place in academics and lacks basic understanding that during puberty boys become stronger than girls. But i digress. So she has that competitive spirit, well not really she uses really trashy methods in order to decrease his academical level, alas she doesn't succeed. Her last resort? Confess to him, even though she doesn't like him, in order to tilt him.....Great....Surprise he accepts and even returns her feelings, but what a set back bitch doesn't have feelings for him and actively is being friendly with the other guy......
How to tell that you are reading shoujo, MC's are either psychopathic or massively autistic with 0 emotions, there is always a playful playboy around the corner for some NTR action, which mostly girls (not all women) like. Girl is doing something really trashy and nobody really scolds her or holds her accountable.
In my adult male mind circuits were fuming while reading this. I've shelved it until maybe death comes knocking at my doors.
Be mindful they are 17-18, this behaviour from FMC side is outright trashy and cannot be called childrens games at this age. MC is a different story, how can someone fall in love with such a trashy character? And take shit from them constantly? Yeah I forgot girls fantasy, having a delinquent like playboy type around the corner who can stick in you at any moment (feels like it) and autistic MC who is diligent, almost genius(or genius) who despite her bitchy behaviour still tries to pursue her.
Stark contrast to what normal guys would:
- I like you too!
- Sorry boy, i just wanted to play with your emotions.
- Wow, what a bitch....
- ......
- Never talk to me again.
That's what I consider a more or less normal answer to her actions, what we see:
- I like you too!
- Sorry boy, i just wanted to play with your emotions.
- I still like you, we will not break up.
- Suit yourself (talks with another guy with clear signs that she prefers his company)
- Let me be clear, I don't like you, it was just my way of trying to sabotage you.
- Doesn't matter i like you.
What girly comics lack most of the time is a male perspective on self respect, most of the authors either are truly ignorant (i know for a fact girls who grew up without fathers tend to lack this knowledge) or malicious, their maliciousness basically contradicts with what male population would tolerate. In whole honesty pubescent boys could literally blow and slap a woman (punch or kick, pick your poison) with similar situation what we see in this shoujo.
Now think of a situation, a girl who lacks any role model or a figure (there are many nowadays it's not like we are throwing 10% of girls under the bus or creating drama bombs, the percentage is much higher) who can tell about boys way of thinking, reads this manwa or many other similar to this one. She gets fake information and fake perception which can turn out quite tragic in the end for both sides. FYI, perverted(in most cases even without perverted tag) shounen harem is the other side of the coin, which i also dislike.
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Jesus Christ. Tldr you are a misogynist.
Just say you hate women and move on. Stop reading!
Holy crap. 😰
probably completed in COO
Man, this is the type of story that just makes you feel bad for everyone involved. ML just gets consistently fucked in misunderstandings and situations that make me feel so bad for him. It is a classic “FMC doesnt know what she has until its gone” type thing though. Having a second ML who has no shot whatsoever just makes me feel bad for him as well, cause hes a likable character. Having a second ML is fine, but if its obviously a single route, making him likable just makes me feel so bad for him. Although things are slightly looking up for ML, i cant help but feel bad for the way it twisted to become this way. It is entertaining despite the cliche though.
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she really overreacted in some things, but she is more than right about fl's attitude
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Please tell where did you see misogynist? Or should i write a huge report about shounen harem just for you to call me misandrist too?
I found FMC trashy and bad as a role model, i found MC's also bad role models. I don't expect shoujo to have "good" male role models, but i at least expect females in shoujo to be good role models. Or at the very least to be shown what accountability is.
I don't understand you people. When something is against some group you are called racist, nacist or sexist. Do you have at least inkling of intelligence and understanding that critique doesn't mean you are XYZ?
It's the same if i said 90-95% of fat people ARE FUCKING LOUSY EATERS AND LAZY ASSES WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING PHYSICAL (enough physical). The irony in that statement is that I am one of those fucking 90-95% lazy asses. Though i do try to maintain some balance sometimes in order not to get morbidly obese status since i know the consequences to my health would be lethal. But i don't fucking blame grocery stores, prices or lack of parks in my vicinity, I blame my lazy ass.
People like to create justification for their bad behaviour. Some redirect it towards something or someone else SOME do it aggressively and attack those who found fault in them for example calling them with those hollow and empty words like misandrist, misogynist, racist and etc. Fifty years ago those words had a meaning and power behind them. NOW, some critique and you called XYZ. What i said about shoujo comics and girls getting skewed world view through mangas like that can be reversed also to shounen mangas where boys get the same kind of bs. Did you even try to elaborate what my views are? Or are just a common title giver without any processing power in that skull?
You know what, you are right in one thing, i dislike women..... and men, I am misanthropist. Generally speaking vast majority of people are decent but some people on the far-right and left spectrums make me forget about all those billions of decent people so my hatred towards them supersedes love and likes towards decent people.
FYI i do like confrontation and dialogue, we learn from that, i simply hope if you decided to write something and act "smart" at least have some substance to your words and confront me about them, without throwing empty words which puzzle me as to what could have offended you. Though i suspect with your 5 short sentences, you will not read my whole text nor will you comprehend it even if you read it fully.
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Heyo, I'm a he if that matters to you. Yeah, overreaction breeds critics. I intentionally hyperbolized my dissatisfaction in order to gather some people who will disagree with me. (got one)
In plain and skeleton words: FMC is trashy, MMC's are trashy. My stories about girls getting beat up by guys are my eyewitness statements and my experience about what i saw and what i had to see and deal with professionally (thankfully i left this occupation).
Though at the time of reading i really did feel emotions close to hatred for all characters. I felt frustrated and angry, how come no one confronts her for her bad behaviour? How come our autistic male lead loves her despite hearing point blank that it was just a joke? As a man, I didn't feel as much frustration towards female lead as to male lead. He had dozens of choices that would be more logical and practical and he decided to take the most miserable and grueling steps.
You cannot demand a person to return your feelings if they have none, you cannot make them love you IF they initially didn't feel anything for you. You can try and manipulate this and even succeed in deception but eventually that deception will fall and love will fade away.
There are pick up artists who can manipulate their targets BUT when they turn off pick up artistry that affection also turns off. As an example guy tries everything in his power to make her fall in love with him, she fell in love with the guy WHO TRIED EVERYTHING IN HS POWER TO MAKE HER FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM, but majority of those guys once they will feel that they achieved their goal, their efforts will return to mediocre where's that girl/woman will feel he changed or feel that she was cheated. i.e. Her understanding was that he will continue or even escalate whilst in reality he pushed all the cards and exhausted himself and after returned to energy saving mode. A sorts of love bombing strategy which is good short term but exhausts you long term.
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man, chill out.
how'd i suppost to know you were a guy? and I just agreed to you so why do you have to be so agressive?
pls, search for help cuz picking fight with strangers bc of webcomic's on internet wont help you at all.
i really don't go waste my time on reading all that and you shouldn't either. spend your time in a better way. take that as a advice from a friend.
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FIRST IMPORTANT THING: IT FELT LIKE YOU DIDN'T READ MY MESSAGE FULLY (Just glanced or stopped at some point), it's in bad faith to reply to messages like that if you did so. Do not read what i write if you aren't interested but also do not reply since our dialogue will derail since you will have wrong opinion about what i'm trying to say.
How do you find it as something as aggressive post? Or should i put emojis in order to convey everything? (Genuine questions, i might learn, i might not but the emoji thing likely won't happen even if you provide some sound and logical reasoning)
If use of "harsh" words are ascribed as aggressive then i'm sorry that you feel that way. I never get angry with internet strangers NOR with real people when discussing fiction.
Though that all doesn't mean that i must limit my vocabulary and politically correct the shit out of my posts in order for people not FEEL something negative.
Also i like to write, i'm quite bad at writing forced content but funnily enough when given freedom i write quite a lot. So my big texts are less of a time waster and more like a hobby that takes hour per week (law of average). This helps me maintain my english and general brain well being.
I replied in that tone to that person simply because i dislike CHEAP 3 sentence statements that convey insults with 0 resolution. It's sad that people despite having ability to convey their thoughts and ideas in a calm manner (it's hard to write when you are really angry) resort to cheap statements. In my opinion if you don't have something good or smart to say(write), don't write/say.
P.S. Notice that i do not insult and even have some ability to understand that i have problematic parts (the fat and lazy part). I ask questions which might me offensive ONLY if you really are a person in question.
(For example i wrote: Do you have at least inkling of intelligence and understanding that critique doesn't mean you are XYZ? It might come out as aggressive, but it's more like provocation to urge this person to at least have something more that CHEAP statements, i even accept insults if they have substance.)
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No, I’m a girl and I lowk agree. Fmc is just stupid which really is just a reflection of the author. I didn’t enjoy it and when I was hoping it’d get better it just ended. And it’s not updating either so yeah, fmc still sucks
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As someone who generally likes this genre I didn’t like this one.. it may have been entertaining but man, fmc was lowk a b*… no accountability made me sad. She has a big inferiority complex but the one person to call her out becomes social outcast💀and it says completed but it literally ended on a cliffhanger I’m so done
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Being a woman does not exempt you from misogyny. We grew up steeped in a very patriarchal culture.
It might be worth some examination for you. ❤️
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Half of this thread refuses to use their brain on any extent, in which case they don't deserve to be here. What Monn12 said was constructive criticism regarding the shortcomings of this Manhwa which I agree with, and if I didn't I'd point out where my own opinions don't align.
Instead of that half the morons here attack Monn12 without any logic backing it up, calling him a misogynist and moving on. Did your dumbass read that word on a twitter post and now you use it everywhere you can?
Maybe if you put more effort into giving constructive feedback rather than snarky remarks people would actually favor what you say, do everyone and yourself a favor, don't approach public communications again.
Instead of that half the morons here attack Monn12 without any logic backing it up, calling him a misogynist and moving on. Did your dumbass read that word on a twitter post and now you use it everywhere you can?
Maybe if you put more effort into giving constructive feedback rather than snarky remarks people would actually favor what you say, do everyone and yourself a favor, don't approach public communications again.
Bro you are such a chud, why do you think that just because her friend is blonde and has a piercing he is a playboy? In the manwha he doesn't seem as someone that just goes around and flirts with every girl he sees.
You also said that the male lead is autistic, but why are you saying that? Just because he is someone who is socially awkard? Because if it's that just so you know someone can have that and not be autistic, and I also don't if you're using autistic as insult that puts you relly low man, if that's not the reason you call hik autistic i would like to know why you call him that
And finally, even though the Fl can be bitchy sometimes, if you read you'll know that always losing to ML wpuld make her develop a inferioty complex, therefore making her hold a grudge against him, I don't like that she tried to make him lose his cool by confessing to him, but you gotta understand that they are first years, their brain are still developing and it's specially around that age that people start making stupid decisions, im not justifying her actions, but you gotta understand that, also why do you think that just because she has a supposedly "playboy" friend does it feel like she'll let him "stick it in" like you said, man, just because you see him as a playboy doesn't mean that he just thinks about doing it, and what's worse is that when you first saw him you probably thought "Oh so he's there for an NTR route" if that's what then you're gross because you said "in my adult male mind circuits" you think of 15-16 years old "doing it" because im assuming you were an adult and not someone who tries to act mature but in reality is just an edgy pubert, so i advise you that you need to go out and talk to people if you think that, which i assume you didn't because you've said that you wasted time writing this comments for about an hour and the comment was made in 2024, i don't care how you're doing right now but i hope you understand human relationships better now.
That's all i gotta say, i agree that the fl might seem bitchy sometimes but you're fuming over some piece of fiction, I don't mean to start a discussion and im not gonna call you misogynist or anything because to me you don't seem like one, but i had to say my opinion, btw sorry if english bad but it's because english is not my first language
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I'm using blunt words and i don't care if i offended some autistic guy.
Autistic people know they have massive social problems. It's a spectrum and those on the complete autistic (Level 3) spectrum are a chore to deal with. They are chaotic bombs that explode at random. They need professional care to survive and a lot of patience from ordinary people.
Politically correct people can go and f themselves, they are biggest hurdle in our current age. We are pussyfooting a lot which wasted time and energy.
If a person is greedy we call him greedy or cheap.
Ok that is an acquired trait.
Autism is inborn trait, does it mean we should be kinder?
Maybe, but for some reason it is allowed to ridicule people who are too fat or too thin or insult guys who are too short. (Also inborn trait that they have 0 agency.)
And unlike above stated physical problems, autism creates problems, have you dealt with autistic meltdowns? Not every friend or parent can deal with it, now imagine if you have 0 relation to autistic person.
My point is people insult or use physical inborn traits as insults everyday without any remorse even though those traits don't even affect them (those who insult). But autism is consider low? Protected group? Nope, doesn't register in my mind feels like a double standard. I will not insult, but i will call out if autistic behaviour disrupts me or is being problematic.
Next: The playboy thing
It was kinda a long time ago when i read that and it was shortly after i decided to take a long vacation from manga.
1. It is a standard japanese archetype of playboys.
2. It's a bit foggy. But if i remember correctly it was stated that he is around female company a lot and that maybe he is dating them.(Dating i'm not sure)
Fact is Japan is very structural. If you see someone looking like a playboy, then most likely they are playboy (i'm speaking about media portrayal). There are rare exceptions where they make it to be a comedy or a satire.
Where a supposed playboy is actually a very nice guy who has 0 experience with women, but it was a comedy which tried to piggyback on reversing the typical understanding of Japanese readers about playboys.
Last about FL and the dynamic:
I don't remember but i think i wrote about their ages being 17-18 for a reason, i think they were 2nd years.
If you think her behaviour is acceptable at that age, your future kids will just run you over.
There is good sportsmanship behaviour and then there is her inferiority complex that is being unchecked. In my school time either the girls or the target himself would confront that behaviour. It is too childish, teenagers may be more impulsive and hormonal but they are not dumb and immoral by default.
I don't know your age or from which generations you came but having sex at around ages 15+ was normal during my time. And hormonal teens and sex was a synonim.
My use of language is blunt and crude and full of supposed hyperbolas. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand to know every character archetype in Japanese manga. They are copy pasted, you can even read online "Manga character archetypes".
That is a reference to "stick it in" and "NTR route". Shoujo and to a lesser degree Josei tend to have a lot of NTR like content. If you didn't know, female demographics tend to like NTR content and Forced content(more in manipulating way than physical) at least far more than male demographics.
As for your advice. Thank you but you assume wrongly.
I have perfectly fine relationship in my life. I write as a hobby, a good time waster with an outlet to not forget how to write especially when your professional life doesn't not require you to hone that skill. On occasion, i can meet people like you, who write as much as I and have some good counter arguments.
Believe it or not but i appreciate counter arguments, especially when they are as long as yours and longer. It decreases the chance of misunderstanding each other (decreases a chance for arguments due to simple misunderstanding) and opens a path to discussing or arguing about beliefs and ideas.
FL in my opinion isn't just bitchy but a flawed person. Like i said no one stopped her, no one even berated her for acting how she was acting. The boiling point was when she confessed just to mess with him. In Japan it is quite often used as a bullying or humiliation weapon. Girls or guys fake confess to a person just to humiliate them.
It is now known form of bullying in Japan and is frowned upon by everyone. Despite that author decided to just sweep it under the rug as if it is nothing substantial.
I'm not a misogynist, i'm a misanthrope. Especially in our current age where people tend to virtue signal and try to appear "good" or better than they are. (Though i was called a misogynist, i wear it as a badge of honor, with guys it's harder. If you state uncomfortable fact about males they tend to either agree with you, laugh or confront you but never think it as a form of misandry especially since i'm a guy...Both genders are assholes, in western countries females are more assholes than males in less developed countries males are assholes.(generalization there are exceptions) It's a social dynamic that shifts depending on various situations)
As for english, same for me not my first language. Generally speaking, if someone bothers you on a language use, they are not geared towards understanding you. People have 2 modes - Geared towards understanding and the opposite.
People who know more than 1 language tend to understand you and take much less notice towards incorrect use of language, people who only know 1 language tend to nitpick and lose comprehension when you use the language wrongly. For them language is like a rigid structure. For multilinguals language is more fluid. (Though sometimes it's hard to understand, best general example - early MTL translations....good God descypring it took a lot of mental strain).
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