Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra: World Conquest Starts with the Civilization of Ruin - Ch. 30 - The King of Ruin

[Jakeh24]

can you give me the spoiler of why didnt he? I've read way pass this point in the LN but I cant remember

To kill him you have to topple his nation first,its all down to the type of game the player corresponds to

 

[broadsword80]

Him being able to identify the edition by just the monster types is pretty impressive.

That already gives him an advantage over the other players. Not to mention, Civ-type games by their nature would be kind of hard to identify since nations are just a natural thing in the progress of civilization. Anyone not familiar with Civ-type mechanics specifically would never be able to figure out how to kill Takuto. At most they'd think he's playing some kind of god game or fantasy RPG where he plays a villain.

And now the TTRPG player has established a nation, subjecting him to the rules Takuto is playing by.

Also, if we're following tabletop, that means reaching across the table and beating up your DM should be an option too.

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

i think the reason he cant die is you cant defeat a RTS player by killing their command character (what mc is), and you need to topple his nation first

That... did not even occur to me. Damn,I managed to completely forget this is set in a video game setting

 

[XNFEdayo]

i think an anime has been announced for this, but seeing the adaptation of Evil Lord, i don't have high hopes for it.. even though the manga is so good orz

True, but Exiled Heavy Knight looks freaking amazing so my hope in anime adaptations have some hope. I AM worried how Luce will turn out though. If her cuteness is off by .01 decimals I will fucking riot! She can not be too plain or too good looking or it'll mess up the moments when she locks in. I'll expect nothing less than perfection when it comes to her.

That... did not even occur to me. Damn,I managed to completely forget this is set in a video game setting

Not "a video game setting" but "various video game settings"

So far we got MC with RTS.
The one idiot dude with Isekai RPG.
Demon lord army from Dragon Quest old style RPG.
And now a tabletop RPG.
What we're missing now is TBS RPG, Action RPG and Pokemon.

 

[Gatenka]

i think the reason he cant die is you cant defeat a RTS player by killing their command character (what mc is), and you need to topple his nation first

This is the part that at least the author got right.

In an RTS, the death of a commander or hero unit doesn't mean the end. Unless you've succeeded in eliminating every last production building and worker, there is always a chance to rebuild and retry, no matter how dire the result was.

Woe be unto the ones who form a new nation without confirming the death of their enemies.

 

[HDMI1]

Balatro is the final boss of gaming.

Nah, the final boss is Shotgun Roulette

Not "a video game setting" but "various video game settings"

So far we got MC with RTS.
The one idiot dude with Isekai RPG.
Demon lord army from Dragon Quest old style RPG.
And now a tabletop RPG.
What we're missing now is TBS RPG, Action RPG and Pokemon.

And MMORPG, just a army of guys from Earth just appearing with cheat powers.

 

[MrZaroff]

I think that's just how he normally looks to himself and Atou.

It's everyone else who experiences the Void.

Atou also can't see his face.

 

[Cobaltzero]

The bad times
the ruinous times
they are a comin' 🥰

 

[toastedguy]

this series was interesting but 30 chapters in 5 years...

 

[Xerlith]

Its "persuasion" in the dumbest interpretation of it.

the ability of the guy who has the dnd power is he is a dm and can force a nat20. So they did a persuasion check to convert atou to their side. It changed her into an NPC on the "players" (his witch) side. Its bullshit stupid. Like yeah, a DM can let their players do stupid shit and get away with it but its such terrible DMing and it infuriates me. They nat20 the sneak to get to the camp too.

The author fell for the dumbest D&D misconception ever.

Because see, everyone, a fucking nat20 is not an autosuccess on a skill check, otherwise a lv1 player would say "I jump to the moon" and roll Athletics long enough... And one in 20 jumps would land him on the moon. Neither is a nat1 a skill check autofail.

And that use of Persuasion is literally impossible as per rules as written. What a shitty GM.

 

[Renvix]

the oracle only told them to fear it, not fight it, and now they are bringing about their own disaster

 

[Drake68655]

I just hope he can get Atou back and doesn't have to kill her because of some "can't undo the control" bullshit.

 

[TsuKano]

I am having more fun looking at the discussions on the comments section than reading this chapter, but at the same time it just made my brain explodes from reading this at 3.50 in the morning

 

[Lasiace]

The author fell for the dumbest D&D misconception ever.

Because see, everyone, a fucking nat20 is not an autosuccess on a skill check, otherwise a lv1 player would say "I jump to the moon" and roll Athletics long enough... And one in 20 jumps would land him on the moon. Neither is a nat1 a skill check autofail.

And that use of Persuasion is literally impossible as per rules as written. What a shitty GM.

I think saying the author "fell for it" isn't really fair. If anything, I think the author knows how bullshit that interpretation of the rules is, and this whole story has been about different genres trying to out-bullshit the other.

All the factions have been exploiting the rules of their game systems so far that we've seen in some way. The RPG forced an outcome due to a scripted cutscene. The isekai protagonist instantly defeated an enemy that shouldn't have been possible to do so, though I can't be sure if that's just because he's "overpowered" by definition or some other reason. And even Takuto has been exploiting his own rules by making guns for almost free just because of a technicality, and is now exploiting it further due to his inability to die (presumably linked to being an RTS player avatar).

Also remember that Atou did actually manage to break the brainwashing for a moment, and Erakino commented how it must have been a guaranteed success that didn't even need to be rolled for - so we can assume that some part of the rules of the tabletop game defines the limits of the results of a nat 20, but that they're using the most generous interpretation possible.

 

[bot]

I'm actually disappointed if this is the case, it doesn't really strike me as an ability an RTS game master would have...

a stretch but the way i see it, it seems to be related to/an extention of assuming direct control of a unit.

some rts games also had units and spells that could copy things. bloke gives me final boss vibes, cheap tricks like that would tottaly be up a final bosses arsenal of tricks.

could also be related to some kinda capture mechanic as well, you sometimes can capture enemy units or factories and use those to make their units. but this is all i can guess and as i said its a stretch and a half.

 

[Grye]

They're cooking

 

[Mathias]

Tabletop RPG

It's going to be Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies for those ladies.

 

[SoldierZoom]

Who the fuck says "Quashed"

 

[nomadicengi]

GHANDI IS THE NUKE DEAR GOD HELP US ALL

 

[vorador]

An important part of the plot is how each player uses and abuses the rules they're bound to in order to establish dominance over other players and the people of the world.

The MC uses Heroes of Might and Magic gameplay mechanics in order to create advanced weapons and equipment almost out of nowhere.

In this case the enemy is a GM of a AD&D style game, so he can just abuse storytelling rules in his favour. He doesn't care about fairness so he can just say whatever he wants and as long as he doesn't go against the rules, it will happen.