Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra: World Conquest Starts with the Civilization of Ruin - Ch. 30 - The King of Ruin

[Fuew12]

I think saying the author "fell for it" isn't really fair. If anything, I think the author knows how bullshit that interpretation of the rules is, and this whole story has been about different genres trying to out-bullshit the other.

All the factions have been exploiting the rules of their game systems so far that we've seen in some way. The RPG forced an outcome due to a scripted cutscene. The isekai protagonist instantly defeated an enemy that shouldn't have been possible to do so, though I can't be sure if that's just because he's "overpowered" by definition or some other reason. And even Takuto has been exploiting his own rules by making guns for almost free just because of a technicality, and is now exploiting it further due to his inability to die (presumably linked to being an RTS player avatar).

Also remember that Atou did actually manage to break the brainwashing for a moment, and Erakino commented how it must have been a guaranteed success that didn't even need to be rolled for - so we can assume that some part of the rules of the tabletop game defines the limits of the results of a nat 20, but that they're using the most generous interpretation possible.

the isekai protag actually is the "hero" of that DL RPG, the reason he can one shot DL cause all prerequisite point already fulfilled by the twin and the only left is for "hero" to land a hit to DL to kill it
as far i remember because of it the JRPG hero actually already eliminated from the "bord" when he actually need to make at minimal DL last surviving member so he can freely power up to deal with other force, what left is Takuto RTS,original inhabitant (church country), eroge succubus that invade ELf country and unseen force that novel haven't introduce yet

 

[InsaneAwesomeTony]

Thanks for the chapter 🙏🏼❤️‍🔥

 

[absoluteAquarian]

Ooh, this series is back! Thanks for the translation.

I remember being pissed off at the Atou brainwashing until someone told me how the situation ends up.

 

[stilgar]

Its "persuasion" in the dumbest interpretation of it.

the ability of the guy who has the dnd power is he is a dm and can force a nat20. So they did a persuasion check to convert atou to their side. It changed her into an NPC on the "players" (his witch) side. Its bullshit stupid. Like yeah, a DM can let their players do stupid shit and get away with it but its such terrible DMing and it infuriates me. They nat20 the sneak to get to the camp too.

Oh, so they are a shit dm who cheats

 

[harukuro]

Play stupid games and win stupid prices

 

[stilgar]

The author fell for the dumbest D&D misconception ever.

Because see, everyone, a fucking nat20 is not an autosuccess on a skill check, otherwise a lv1 player would say "I jump to the moon" and roll Athletics long enough... And one in 20 jumps would land him on the moon. Neither is a nat1 a skill check autofail.

And that use of Persuasion is literally impossible as per rules as written. What a shitty GM.

the fun things about d&d is the rules are more like suggestions

 

[SciFiMisc]

This is carried so hard by its art

 

[darkgunner]

Thank you very much for another great chapter!!

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

That already gives him an advantage over the other players. Not to mention, Civ-type games by their nature would be kind of hard to identify since nations are just a natural thing in the progress of civilization. Anyone not familiar with Civ-type mechanics specifically would never be able to figure out how to kill Takuto. At most they'd think he's playing some kind of god game or fantasy RPG where he plays a villain.

And now the TTRPG player has established a nation, subjecting him to the rules Takuto is playing by.

Also, if we're following tabletop, that means reaching across the table and beating up your DM should be an option too.

TYSM. I couldn't wrap my head around what was going on even with the other explanations but yours made everything clear as day. TY!

I think that's just how he normally looks to himself and Atou.

It's everyone else who experiences the Void.

No, Atou sees the Void as well. She just doesn't care. This is why Atou is best girl.

The author fell for the dumbest D&D misconception ever.

Because see, everyone, a fucking nat20 is not an autosuccess on a skill check, otherwise a lv1 player would say "I jump to the moon" and roll Athletics long enough... And one in 20 jumps would land him on the moon. Neither is a nat1 a skill check autofail.

And that use of Persuasion is literally impossible as per rules as written. What a shitty GM.

Especially if they're using D&D the uncopywritable-statement-of-fact World's Most Popular Role Playing Game 4th edition which outright states in the rules for skill checks, 1 is not an autofailure nor 20 an autosuccess.

It wasn't even supposed to be that way in 3.5 either.
A successful diplomacy or intimidate check wasn't supposed to allow more than 2 ranks of change on the "attitude" chart.

The author fell for the dumbest D&D misconception ever.

Because see, everyone, a fucking nat20 is not an autosuccess on a skill check, otherwise a lv1 player would say "I jump to the moon" and roll Athletics long enough... And one in 20 jumps would land him on the moon. Neither is a nat1 a skill check autofail.

And that use of Persuasion is literally impossible as per rules as written. What a shitty GM.

This.

I just hope he can get Atou back and doesn't have to kill her because of some "can't undo the control" bullshit.

Same. Best Slimegirl comes back safe or I'm out.

 

[ocsibrm]

This is the part that at least the author got right.

In an RTS, the death of a commander or hero unit doesn't mean the end. Unless you've succeeded in eliminating every last production building and worker, there is always a chance to rebuild and retry, no matter how dire the result was.

Woe be unto the ones who form a new nation without confirming the death of their enemies.

Homey gonna have an elf living on a island in the middle of nowhere building slingshots for him and then he'll just never die.

 

[wahyurockajn]

oh boy its been ages since i read the ln but here some massive spoiler if you want one

Spoiler

you see in takuto game it always explain that each general have its own unique ability which make every general special and takutou basically use the power of his general which is imitate
yup he basically can imitate any unit including the general which is why this is his fav character while indeed it has a limit inside the game but in this one he basically op if he know who he imitate (in this case he used that fire guy from the demon king army)
later he used this power to infiltrate this saint kingdom and basically destroy it from within
as for the table top rpg it was basically broken since this was a online table top rpg (which the mc has a exploit which make him the most hated table top rpg player he end up using those exploit and kicking the dm from the game because of cheating and tried to become the dm of the game but because the player end up dead and the dm got kick the god who is likely made the table top rpg system just straight up denied mc request to become dm

 

[bc524]

Oh, so they are a shit dm who cheats

The dude doesn't even play dnd. He's a shitty gambler who just loves dice. ZERO etiquette. Would not play at his table. The only good part of this arc is you get to Atou still fangirling over her king even though she's stuck being on their side and when said King actually wrecks them hard.

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[Wyrm]

This author is really making things tricky for themselves.
The idea of different people bringing the rules from each of their preferred game genre into the same isekai is interesting...
... but I wonder if there is a clear priority rule.

They already cheated before with a "scripted event" that allowed the loser of a fight to kill his opponent regardless of their difference in strength. Now, you have a character able to make a NPC switch sides despite no such system existing in said NPC's system. So far, it seems pretty unfair to the MC and his strategy game rules.

It's high time he's got something going in his favor. And it seems like a pretty big rule too.

 

[MeePotato]

holy fuck I really should continue reading the novel, since I stopped after the grasshopper mommy died

 

[MontDilanus1343]

oh boy its been ages since i read the ln but here some massive spoiler if you want one

I appreciate the effort to convey the contents of the Web Novel.
But I have a suggestion many others are probably thinking right now too.

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[wahyurockajn]

I appreciate the effort to convey the contents of the Web Novel.
But I have a suggestion many others are probably thinking right now too.

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They are valuable tools. Used to encapsulate ideas into coherent chunks.
Please use them.

oh sorry. my bad, i was in a hurry that i don't use any at all :v
beside if you really read what i said, it was the light novel not web novel which is slightly different :v

 

[Qwormuli]

Its "persuasion" in the dumbest interpretation of it.

the ability of the guy who has the dnd power is he is a dm and can force a nat20. So they did a persuasion check to convert atou to their side. It changed her into an NPC on the "players" (his witch) side. Its bullshit stupid. Like yeah, a DM can let their players do stupid shit and get away with it but its such terrible DMing and it infuriates me. They nat20 the sneak to get to the camp too.

Yup, he's a bitchass DM who can and will fudge every roll in his favour.

...It's a good thing that a nat 20 doesn't ensure success...

 

[Khazar123]

oh sorry. my bad, i was in a hurry that i don't use any at all :v
beside if you really read what i said, it was the light novel not web novel which is slightly different :v

Why did you write a “massive spoiler” in a hurry?

 

[exxeld]

lets see how mc will game the system by bypassing dice rolls. I really am liking the combination of different genres, I just wish the mangaka updated more often lmao.

 

[JacobWhorne]

Its "persuasion" in the dumbest interpretation of it.

the ability of the guy who has the dnd power is he is a dm and can force a nat20. So they did a persuasion check to convert atou to their side. It changed her into an NPC on the "players" (his witch) side. Its bullshit stupid. Like yeah, a DM can let their players do stupid shit and get away with it but its such terrible DMing and it infuriates me. They nat20 the sneak to get to the camp too.

Spoiler

The way the GM loses is literally from Takuto calling out his unfair interpretation of the rules to the system and getting him impeached so this is all part of the writing lol