Kono Koi wo Hoshi ni wa Negawanai - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - Ch. 19

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The expression in this manga is absolutely amazing!!! It really makes you feel the pain.

That Eri busted face and Fuyuki angy sad (or sad angry?) face is the best. If you have face fetish, you'll explode immediatelly. Best feeling simulator here. Lol

So for the story...

... I just sit back and grab some pizza, wait for what will happen next. Lol

Thanks for carry over the translate.
 
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I honestly am struggling to feel bad for Eri in all of this.
Huh, I think this chapter successfully made me pity Eri more than any other.

Fuyuki is probably too harsh on herself to compare herself to Kyou and all the other men Eri has dated, but there's a kernel of truth in it as well. We've seen that throughout Eri's life she has always been a magnet for others attention. Rather than looking to connect with and understand Eri on any deeper level, everyone just wants to be possessive of her, and use her to fulfill their own desires. Then, when Eri becomes inconvenient for that purpose, rather than communicate and work things out with her, they take out their frustrations on her, abuse her or cheat on her.

In Kyou's case it was because he didn't want to risk committing his true feelings to her, because he felt that she wouldn't reciprocate and he would lose her. So instead, he tries to frame them dating as some nonchalant arrangement of convenience, when in reality he wanted a genuine relationship with her. Instead of communicating this to her, he tries to manipulate and guilt her into reciprocating and when it doesn't work he goes and cheats on her.

While arguably not as bad, Fuyuki actually acts pretty similar to Kyou in motives. What she wants is an intimate romantic relationship with Eri, but she's too afraid to be vulnerable with Eri and risk losing or altering her affection and attention. So instead, Fuyuki goes about constantly framing it as "true friendship". And then when Eri is unable to intuit Fuyuki's true feelings through her deception, unable to filter through all of the noise that's being broadcasted to Eri in every direction, Fuyuki grows resentful of her, and in this chapter, rather than having a proper discussion about their feelings, takes out her frustration on Eri like all those before her.

Eri may be a bit dense, but look at what she's been dealing with since she was little. She's always been surrounded by people looking to manipulate or abuse her to monopolize her attention. And when this happens, does she have someone tell her, "This isn't how romantic relationships are supposed to work. You deserve someone who takes the time to understand you and wants the best for you."? Not really. Instead she has Fuyuki whispering in her ear, "Even if your boyfriends will lie and abuse you, I will always be by your side as your childhood friend. If we have each other, it will be alright." The framing might seem a bit harsh, but looking at it like that, it's not really a surprise that Eri has such a devalued impression of romantic relationships. Her line about, "The way I feel like you is way more than something one would feel for a lover." Because her whole life, she's been taught that romantic relationships are fickle things that revolve around convenience and attention, but deep friendships are the thing you can really rely on.

But this chapter reveals that it's all bullshit. Fuyuki didn't really mean what she said. The truth is that Fuyuki wanted Eri's attention and affection just like everyone else, and she leveraged her position as childhood friend to try and cling on to it. And even still Fuyuki isn't really attempting to understand Eri on a deeper level or work through her issues with her. Fuyuki wants to Eri to understand her even without having to be told. At least Fuyuki has her senpai, Kyou has his admirer from the film club, but Eri is truly alone. She has no one willing to be vulnerable with her, and understand her, because they're scared of what they might learn if they do.

Anyways, I told myself, this would be like a 3 sentence long comment. I don't know how it got this long, and I doubt it even got across what I was trying to say, cause I'm pretty sick rn and my head is cloudy. Oh well :nyoron:
 
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She's always been surrounded by people looking to manipulate or abuse her to monopolize her attention. And when this happens, does she have someone tell her, "This isn't how romantic relationships are supposed to work. You deserve someone who takes the time to understand you and wants the best for you."? Not really. Instead she has Fuyuki whispering in her ear, "Even if your boyfriends will lie and abuse you, I will always be by your side as your childhood friend. If we have each other, it will be alright."
There's a lot going on here, so I'm just going to point out that Fuyuki has said exactly what you said she should, and has never pulled the "it's ok if they abuse you because you have me" thing.
 
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Thanks for the tl!
anyways this page really makes me think of reading comprehension questions
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hope Eri's been brushing up on analysing character motivations and their meanings
The middle bubble text should be somewhere like this
"Why did I kiss you?"
"What am I crying for"
 
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But this chapter reveals that it's all bullshit. Fuyuki didn't really mean what she said. The truth is that Fuyuki wanted Eri's attention and affection just like everyone else, and she leveraged her position as childhood friend to try and cling on to it. And even still Fuyuki isn't really attempting to understand Eri on a deeper level or work through her issues with her. Fuyuki wants to Eri to understand her even without having to be told. At least Fuyuki has her senpai, Kyou has his admirer from the film club, but Eri is truly alone. She has no one willing to be vulnerable with her, and understand her, because they're scared of what they might learn if they do.
While I don't wholly disagree with your comment (I don't dislike Eri I just think she has really low emotional intelligence, maybe for good reasons like you point out), I want to push back a bit on this characterization of Fuyuki (and maybe relationships more generally). While Fuyuki is chastising herself for being like the rest I think we've pretty clearly seen, looking at the manga as a whole, that she does genuinely care about Eri, does see her as more than just someone she wants attention from and not because she's manipulating her to like her.

You're right that Eri is alone without Fuyuki, which is part of the reason Fuyuki buried her feelings. Let's not pretend that was entirely for her own sake, because the truly selfish and manipulative thing to do would have been to confess to Eri years ago, rather than love and support her as a friend. The ONLY reason she's cracking here is because Eri hurt her really badly (accidentally), and frankly I think it's a reasonable thing to have happened even if Fuyuki is being harsher than she meant to. Frankly it isn't her job to baby Eri with her issues, I wouldn't expect my best friends or partners to hold my hand through everything - they aren't therapists. She was already doing the kindest thing she could do for Eri by burying her feelings.

Anyway I did actually like your comment, hope you feel better soon 💗.
 
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ABSOLUTE CINEMA
2 chapters in such a short period ty for the meal translators
 
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While I don't wholly disagree with your comment (I don't dislike Eri I just think she has really low emotional intelligence, maybe for good reasons like you point out), I want to push back a bit on this characterization of Fuyuki (and maybe relationships more generally). While Fuyuki is chastising herself for being like the rest I think we've pretty clearly seen, looking at the manga as a whole, that she does genuinely care about Eri, does see her as more than just someone she wants attention from and not because she's manipulating her to like her.

You're right that Eri is alone without Fuyuki, which is part of the reason Fuyuki buried her feelings. Let's not pretend that was entirely for her own sake, because the truly selfish and manipulative thing to do would have been to confess to Eri years ago, rather than love and support her as a friend. The ONLY reason she's cracking here is because Eri hurt her really badly (accidentally), and frankly I think it's a reasonable thing to have happened even if Fuyuki is being harsher than she meant to. Frankly it isn't her job to baby Eri with her issues, I wouldn't expect my best friends or partners to hold my hand through everything - they aren't therapists. She was already doing the kindest thing she could do for Eri by burying her feelings.

Anyway I did actually like your comment, hope you feel better soon 💗.
Yeess I agree with this one.
the truly selfish and manipulative thing to do would have been to confess to Eri years ago
Although Fuyuki not confessed her own feelings to Eri is what makes this whole manga more messy and complicated, she's respect her promise to Eri (even when Eri's forgot) by being by her side as a friend when her former friends always betray her. (And now Fuyuki think she's doing the same as those betrayer, but I think that is too harsh) Yes it's kinda unfair to Eri for Fuyuki to have resentment towards her but I understand Fuyuki. Even she's denying, I know she's been building hopes for the possibility that Eri has the same feelings as her.
 
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The basics of it is
  1. Eri had taken it for granted that Fuyu would be by her side regardless of where she goes in life, often disregarding the efforts of Fuyu to make her happy that she could have noticed, and has increasingly been thrown off by her relation with Senpai.
  2. Fuyu has been hiding a lot of how she's been feeling from Eri for fear of affecting their relationship, and thus feels betrayed that Eri's love doesn't extend to her as hers does to Eri in withholding her hurt (in a perceived selfless vs selfish love dynamic).
  3. Fuyu coming clean not only makes clear to Eri that she had been taking Fuyu for granted but also makes her feel selfish for her reaction at the festival, given what Fuyu reveals she's tolerated for love (though admittedly I think her immediately coming clean was probably the healthier move by comparison).
  4. Fuyu realises that she's overly burdened Eri with her own actions and blames herself for selfishly loving Eri and hurting her, and Eri also blames herself for taking Fuyu for granted and not noticing the pain she was inflicting upon her, believing what she had called love falls short of what Fuyu deserved from her.
tl;dr they've hurt each other unintentionally and both feel undeserving of the other as a result
Haaaaaaaaaaaa this is what happened with my unrequited straight crush friendships but thank god I never burst like with physical action. Just mental and emotional outburst with a lot of shame and regret from telling myself I’ll keep loving them and I’ll do whatever to stay by their side. I was such an idiot. A friend kept telling me that I had to stop thinking that there was any hope, and I said that there is never been any hope and I don’t believe so either but perhaps just like in this manga I still wanted to be important and special and wanting to keep that place or become that top position Was what I should’ve let go of. I was too focused on telling myself that I already knew that nothing would happen.
 
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Thanks for picking up this! This chapter is very intensive and it's the first time we see Fuyuki like this but I think it's a good thing for her? It's like if she didn't let out any bit she's very close to go crazy. Hope things'll work out this time, or at least in the end.
 
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Big oof and with a side of yikes :huh:

Alrighty then this was definitely needed for Fuyuki, she got it all out there. She confessed in all ways without saying the exact words, in order to get Eri to stop purposefully avoiding the truth.

Now Eri finally seems to accept that. Fuyuki has done her part, this alllll is on Eri’s shoulders now. Fuyuki says she can’t say “I love you” anymore unless she basically accepts her confession. SO Eri gotta get her act together and say those 3 beautiful words or so HELP ME Senpai will/should win if she doesn’t


Phew that’s all I gotta say for now :korone:
 
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Lol
People like designated losers even when said losers aren't running or give a crap about the "prize." It also helps that whoever senpai likes is not a presence in the story. We know he exists and little else.
You are the one who called senpai a loser in the previous chapter's comment thread just because she's unlikely end up with Fuyuki. You said that was your reason for not caring about Senpai that much. Though, you do know Senpai actually DGAF of the "prize".

I just couldn't understand how you became a fan of Erika from Sankakkei no Kowashi-kata (well, you can root for her as much as you like, none of my business lol) while she obviously is the biggest loser I have ever seen in the history. Yeah. Have never seen such a pathetic loser like Erika, who blamed her crush's lover for her crush not loving her back instead. Apparently, without the stone (Aya) between them, Koto would eventually fall for her 🙄🙄🙄

The triangle isn't even a triangle cause Erika ruined it, completely. I'd even rather Koto be with someone else if she couldn't be with Aya.
Wish Erika would live with her guilt forever
 
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Lol

You are the one who called senpai a loser in the previous chapter's comment thread just because she's unlikely end up with Fuyuki. You said that was your reason for not caring about Senpai that much. Though, you do know Senpai actually DGAF of the "prize".

I just couldn't understand how you became a fan of Erika from Sankakkei no Kowashi-kata (well, you can root for her as much as you like, none of my business lol) while she obviously is the biggest loser I have ever seen in the history. Yeah. Have never seen such a pathetic loser like Erika, who blamed her crush's lover for her crush not loving her back instead. Apparently, without the stone (Aya) between them, Koto would eventually fall for her 🙄🙄🙄

The triangle isn't even a triangle cause Erika ruined it, completely. I'd even rather Koto be with someone else if she couldn't be with Aya.
Wish Erika would live with her guilt forever
WTH why Erika here, pls write your fanfiction in other website.

Non loser here. Senpai has no intention for love from Fuyuki. They comfort each other because they struck in same situation.
 
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There's a lot going on here, so I'm just going to point out that Fuyuki has said exactly what you said she should, and has never pulled the "it's ok if they abuse you because you have me" thing.
Yes, great point. I've obviously framed Fuyuki's actions and motives as negatively as possible in order to make a point, even to the extent of strawmanning her. I don't actually think that Fuyuki is the great evil of this whole story. She has plenty of justifications for her feelings and actions, but I think the manga has always done a good job at representing them. But even in that panel you linked to, Fuyuki's speech about, "They should talk things out with you. You don't deserve to be hurt." Ends with, "Today I'll escort you." The implication is that Eri doesn't really have agency in the result of the relationship. That even if romantic relationships fail to meet the ideal on whims, Eri can rely on Fuyuki's friendship.

This is, once again, a harsh characterization of what Fuyuki is saying, but after this chapter, I don't think it's a coincidence that the page immediately following this one goes into Eri reasoning why her relationship with Fuyuki is more meaningful than romantic relationships. This complicated mess of a relationship between Fuyuki and Eri was, in a way, created by Fuyuki's unwillingness to be vulnerable and risk losing potential affection from Eri.
While Fuyuki is chastising herself for being like the rest I think we've pretty clearly seen, looking at the manga as a whole, that she does genuinely care about Eri, does see her as more than just someone she wants attention from and not because she's manipulating her to like her.
Of course. Like I said, I intentionally framed Fuyuki's intent and actions as negatively as possible to make a point. I do think that Fuyuki genuinely cares about Eri, and does love her, but what this chapter did, in my opinion, is expose how Fuyuki's "selflessness" towards Eri is really just a form of possessiveness. And she let that possessiveness turn to—in her own words—hate towards Eri. I think more accurately, it's the projection of an internal hate for the frustration of somewhat self inflicted wounds. But that remains to be seen I suppose.

Also, this might be a controversial take, but I think that it's also true for Kyou that he cared about Eri as a friend as well. Unlike Fuyuki however, Kyou's actions are completley indefensible, but their behaviour parallel each other quite a bit. They were both afraid to be vulnerable with Eri, become frustrated with Eri for not understanding what they want and not giving it to them, and then take out their frustrations on Eri. It's also debateable how much it counts—and maybe we'll gain more insight if we see her reaction—but it might also be worth pointing out that Fuyuki was technically cheating on senpai here.
Let's not pretend that was entirely for her own sake, because the truly selfish and manipulative thing to do would have been to confess to Eri years ago, rather than love and support her as a friend.
You make a lot of great points in your comment; I think this is the one area where I have to disagree pretty heavily. I think that Fuyuki hiding her feelings is the selfish and manipulative thing to do. It lets her slip into this weird twisted place in Eri's heart that she can value over all other relationships, and grants Fuyuki access to the affection from Eri that she covets.

I think the correct thing to do, the thing that would be better for both Fuyuki and Eri in the long run, would have been for Fuyuki to properly communicate her feelings long ago. Not necessarily, ask Eri to go steady with her, but let Eri know what she's truly feeling. Something like,
Fuyuki said:
Eri, I really do value our friendship, and because I care about you I'll always want to support you. But I also have romantic feelings for you, and seeing you be intimate with other people and then mistreated by them is really hard on me. You've done nothing wrong, but I just hope you can understand how it makes me feel. I'm always willing to be there for you as a friend, but I also want you to have happy and fulfilling relationships, and the way we've been up until now just makes it harder on both of us.
Or something like that. I'm not a master communicator, but I think that would have been far healthier and selfless for both Fuyuki and Eri to have the situation out in the open like that. Instead, Fuyuki deep down wants Eri to pick up on all this without actually telling her and grows resentful when she can't because she's not a mind reader. That's not healthy.

And let's be honest, if Fuyuki laid it out like this, instead of constantly reinforcing the idea that their friendship is the most meaningful thing, Eri definitely would have clued into her own feelings a lot faster. Maybe not at once, but I think even being aware that Fuyuki is:
  1. Gay
  2. A potential love interest
  3. Someone who does value romantic intimacy
Would have helped her sort out her own feelings much easier, and made her realize her feelings for Fuyuki in a more healthy way. After all, that's kind of what seems to be happening in the end ("If Fuyuki was going to end up having a girlfriend, then why couldn't it have been me?"), but it's happening through jealousy towards the senpai, rather than through communication and introspection.

Fuyuki doesn't know that this would happen, but I think all relationships take a bit of faith and risk. And Fuyuki wasn't willing to risk anything with Eri.
You're right that Eri is alone without Fuyuki, which is part of the reason Fuyuki buried her feelings.
And that's why I'm arguing that Eri is alone even with Fuyuki. Because Fuyuki isn't willing to be her true self with Eri, due to fear of losing her monopoly on her. Even though she starts to lose it anyways any time Eri gets into a relationship with somebody else. That's kind of the crux of the issue here.
Frankly it isn't her job to baby Eri with her issues, I wouldn't expect my best friends or partners to hold my hand through everything - they aren't therapists.
Yes, but that's exactly what Fuyuki ends up doing. She babies Eri with her issues, because it grants her more access to her attention in a non-risky way, instead of actually lining out what the issues are and working through them as a friend, lover, or equal.

Umm, anyways, I lost my train of thought, but I think we agree more than we disagree.
Anyway I did actually like your comment, hope you feel better soon 💗.
Thank you for the kind wishes ❤️‍🩹
 
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WTH why Erika here, pls write your fanfiction in other website.

Non loser here. Senpai has no intention for love from Fuyuki. They comfort each other because they struck in same situation.
Bro, I'm just curious why she called Senpai a loser while Erika could be the exception lol. Unlike Erika, who still dares to want to be with Koto after the horrible thing she did to Aya, Senpai doesn't even want to be with Fuyuki.

A fan of Erika called Senpai a loser while I have never seen such a loser in the Yuri manga history like Erika. It's really interesting
 

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