Itsudemo Jitaku ni Kaereru Ore wa, Isekai de Gyoushounin wo Hajimemashita - Vol. 6 Ch. 56

[vali007]

What is it with japanese made characters who can't discipline or reprimand their siblings when they're being absolute douches, is it so hard to say no or at least make them come to terms about what is common to normal people?

 

[vali007]

damn, y'all some weak af manga readers. Y'all never would have survived the early 2000s if some slapstick humor like this is enough to make you throw a tantrum.

This ain't even slapstick, this is just abuse, at least if it were actually slapstick the mc would've done something dumb or stupid to receive the harm. Pardon us because we aren't masochistic cucks like you.

 

[Chireall]

Lol, if those were brothers instead of sisters, this thread would be empty. "Alpha males" can't fathom a brother-sister relationship that doesn't conform to their fantasy of subservient female. Go touch some grass, instead of wishing death upon fictionnal characters for stuff that wouldn't make you bat an eye if they were male.

I have a younger sister who's not only much more assertive than me, but also more conflict prone. I had her read this chapter and the chapter before, and she said they're acting like brats. Sure, she didn't wish death on them (and neither do I; annoying relatives are normal until they threw your gaming chair from the third floor), but we agree they wouldn't survive the family, not completely.

 

[fform]

this story already has a cute imouto, these real imoutos are awful

 

[AnotherDuck]

Nope, in fact it was celebrated. Check out glomping if you want to see what we were up to back in the day, but a lot of the most famous series from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s have all kinds of slapstick violence. I think it was around the mid 2010s when the shift to hating this kind of thing happened with the rise of isekai-like stories and the just completely unapologetic self insert/harem mc. Kind of coincided with the crazy revenge fantasy manga that's so common nowadays.

All you do is show you grew up in a bubble are you've not seen outside it. People were tired of the slapstick violence in Love Hina. And then we have the amount of vitriol in the Ranma fandom against anyone being violent. And if you missed people getting tired of the violent tsundere during the Rie Kugimiya era, you really show there's no point in listening to you.

I'm not saying there weren't people who liked it, but I am saying there were people who hated it.

Glomping is just overly enthusiastic hugging, which I wouldn't categorise under violence.

this story already has a cute imouto, these real imoutos are awful

They're not real.

 

[Greedygreen]

Hard disagree. I'd have the same reaction if they were males and acted like this.

I plus that.

Usually in isekais when males act like this there's a non zero chance that they will be killed as punishment.
Especially if they are drawn as fat and ugly.

 

[albirew]

Getting the urge to cast Iron on the sisters

iron? not fist?

I dont have patience nor tolerance with shitty brats, this is a major letdown for the manga

i have the perfect manga for this

 

[Chizan]

Lol, if those were brothers instead of sisters, this thread would be empty. "Alpha males" can't fathom a brother-sister relationship that doesn't conform to their fantasy of subservient female. Go touch some grass, instead of wishing death upon fictionnal characters for stuff that wouldn't make you bat an eye if they were male.

Lol, there's plenty of those angry comments in threads of the multitude of series on here where the mc is bullied by their other step-siblings that are usually brothers in usually a noble family setting. Go touch some grass right back at you.

 

[Eals]

I don't remember was the MC always a pushover who would let others use him as a punch bag?

 

[finalm]

Lol, if those were brothers instead of sisters, this thread would be empty. "Alpha males" can't fathom a brother-sister relationship that doesn't conform to their fantasy of subservient female. Go touch some grass, instead of wishing death upon fictionnal characters for stuff that wouldn't make you bat an eye if they were male.

True, most of the people raging here are no more mature than the sister characters. However, this kind of depiction of sibling relationships is neither normal, nor healthy. It would be fine if it lead to some character development, but if it's intended to look cute or funny, then sorry, but it's just shitty ubringing. No matter the gender, having siblings physically abuse each other (in public, no less) is just a massive failiure for their guardian. Not that I would expect much from that grandma...

 

[finalm]

This is not the double standard you think it is. If you want to prove that, bring up an actually gender inverted situation that matches this situation. You brought the accusation. It's up to you to prove it. Otherwise it's just empty words.

He has a point. You can find plenty of the tropes he mentioned in Rumiko Takahashi's works, for example. It's also used for "comedic effect" there and pretty much no one complains nor did the earlier generation of readers.

 

[finalm]

MC finds a big egg. "That is totally a dragon egg."
Gets it appraised. "Oh, cool, a chocobo. Or, given the genre, probably a fitorial."
Nope, it's a dragon.

Which looks nothing like you'd expect of a dragon. This reminds me of an interesting concept from an old fantasy LN series, where "dragons" were just what humanity called all beings that could innately use magic, from simple, turtle-like animals to intelligent, giant wolves. Sadly, I don't think this is going for that kind of setup, given the egg thing.

 

[AnotherDuck]

It's also used for "comedic effect" there and pretty much no one complains nor did the earlier generation of readers.

People absolutely complained. It's also quite different, since if you take Ranma as an example, as it's one of the most popular of her works that features those things, everyone's an arsehole. Ranma's not exactly innocent like the dude here, and one of the sticking points people had for the anime was that it exaggerated these things and made him suffer more undeserved abuse.

 

[finalm]

People absolutely complained. It's also quite different, since if you take Ranma as an example, as it's one of the most popular of her works that features those things, everyone's an arsehole. Ranma's not exactly innocent like the dude here, and one of the sticking points people had for the anime was that it exaggerated these things and made him suffer more undeserved abuse.

Did they? I'm one of the mentioned earlier generation readers and I haven't seen widespread criticism of this among my peers of the time, at least when it came to the manga. The general opinion was that these gags were just funny (and to be honest, they usually were, Takahashi was good at slapstick). Also, her modern works have this as well, though nowhere near to that extent, due to her turning away from the "everyone's an asshole" setup.

I wouldn't really say he's innocent here. While obviously not deserving of physical abuse, he is part of the reason those girls are like that. He and that grandma of his were the ones to raise them, after all. What kind of failure of a big brother tolerates that kind of attitude from his siblings with regard to anyone, least of all himself?

 

[letmereadmangas]

I'm beginning to hate the sisters.

ah, so you're only at the start of your hate for them....im already knee deep in....

 

[AnotherDuck]

Did they?

Yes. You can argue about what you didn't see, but that tells me more about you than about what actually happened. There were enough complaints that indicates people would react to something like this with the genders reversed.

at least when it came to the manga.

I mentioned that. You failed to counter that argument, so my point stands.

What kind of failure of a big brother tolerates that kind of attitude from his siblings with regard to anyone, least of all himself?

Victim blaming.

 

[MildlyCreative]

I'm a sucker for logistics, you talking about this?

https://mangadex.org/title/db521aef-caad-4aba-9ced-e45dbb67b314/hiding-a-warehouse-in-the-apocalypse

Yep yep! Doesnt actually focus on any real logistics yet, but its one of the most interesting monster/dungeon type manhwas out there

 

[finalm]

Yes. You can argue about what you didn't see, but that tells me more about you than about what actually happened. There were enough complaints that indicates people would react to something like this with the genders reversed.

Well now, given your responses to others, it seems you're convinced that everyone who disagrees with you "lives in a bubble". Does that not speak volumes about you? You could have at least pointed to somewhere sheltered people like me could see for themselves, rather than just speaking from supposed authority.

I mentioned that. You failed to counter that argument, so my point stands.

Awfully combative of you. Chill out dude, this isn't court. While I am not really convinced (hence the question indicating doubt), I've never stated with any certainty that you are definetly wrong. So far, it's my perspective against yours, but for some reason you seem ready to die on that hill.

Victim blaming.

Seriously? You don't think the eldest is in part responsible for how their younger siblings turn out (at least while they're still kids)? Or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?

 

[AnotherDuck]

Well now, given your responses to others, it seems you're convinced that everyone who disagrees with you "lives in a bubble". Does that not speak volumes about you? You could have at least pointed to somewhere sheltered people like me could see for themselves, rather than just speaking from supposed authority.

An argument with no evidence requires no evidence to argue against. And all of you are trying to prove a negative with a small, personal sample size. You're claiming that these people don't exist. That means you're claiming that close to 100% of people agree with you. I'm claiming some people don't. Which is more believable?

And, as you should know, this is decades ago, way before YouTube and even Fanfiction.net. The vast majority of sources don't exist anymore. So given that you've offered nothing solid, I have absolutely no reason to do it for you.

Awfully combative of you. Chill out dude, this isn't court. While I am not really convinced (hence the question indicating doubt), I've never stated with any certainty that you are definetly wrong. So far, it's my perspective against yours, but for some reason you seem ready to die on that hill.

I'm just pointing out that you don't have an argument. I don't think that's "awfully combative". Going with "die on that hill," rhetoric, on the other hand, is.

Seriously? You don't think the eldest is in part responsible for how their younger siblings turn out (at least while they're still kids)?

For as long as he's a child, no. And considering that he was surprised he would do that, it doesn't seem to be a common thing, or something she started doing after he went on his own. So still no.

But if you want to blame someone for getting hit, especially when he did something she mentioned in the first place, then I'm going to call you out for what it is: victim blaming. Is that the hill you want to die on?

Or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?

For context, this is coming from someone who jumped in to contradict someone else.

Edit: Wow, such bad faith, much projections. No worth in continuing this.

 

[finalm]

An argument with no evidence requires no evidence to argue against. And all of you are trying to prove a negative with a small, personal sample size. You're claiming that these people don't exist. That means you're claiming that close to 100% of people agree with you. I'm claiming some people don't. Which is more believable?

Since were talking proof, this paragraph pretty much proves you're just arguing in bad faith. I did not in fact claim "these people don't exist". I said I've never seen universal dissastifaction, which does not mean there wasn't any. Also, you never framed it as "some people did complain" - this would be pretty much undisputable. No, you always spoke as if that was the general consensus and now have the gall to try and act like the moderate one? Pathetic, man.

And, as you should know, this is decades ago, way before YouTube and even Fanfiction.net. The vast majority of sources don't exist anymore. So given that you've offered nothing solid, I have absolutely no reason to do it for you.

Then why act as if it's such an obvious truth that anyone can check? I had no problem admiting from the get go, that I can't remember this being the case, you feel the need to bluster and then get insanely defensive, when called out, even resorting to the infantile "no, you!" tactic.

I'm just pointing out that you don't have an argument. I don't think that's "awfully combative". Going with "die on that hill," rhetoric, on the other hand, is.

Sure it isn't. After all, this very paragraph practically radiates the chill... Get a grip man, or at least stick to you guns and don't play the victim.

For as long as he's a child, no. And considering that he was surprised he would do that, it doesn't seem to be a common thing, or something she started doing after he went on his own. So still no.

But if you want to blame someone for getting hit, especially when he did something she mentioned in the first place, then I'm going to call you out for what it is: victim blaming. Is that the hill you want to die on?

Again, bad faith all around. I did specifically say that abuse was unjustified, so you can forget about spinning this as if I'm advocating for such a scenario. As for the first sentence - makes no sense. If his sisters only started acting like that after he was away for some time, it would only make sense that he'd go "what the hell?" after experiencing that now. You're grasping at straws.

For context, this is coming from someone who jumped in to contradict someone else.

Oh? So sorry, I wasn't aware this was a private conversation. I suppose that doesn't at all apply to what you did with the other guy's comment. Such a special little existence you are...