The Dangers in My Heart - Ch. 166 - I Don't Need Anything Else

[Koshin_127]

Norio is the "trust the process" kind of author so I'll just wait and see

 

[shinshom]

Two chapters for the end of what'll be S3. I'm not liking our chances for good things right now...

different from most conflicts, there is no easy rizz from Icchi to solve this...

 

[CoreMonkey]

It's odd how Anna barely developed as a character since the early part of this manga. It's the same routines and insecurities with her, there's this sense of never-ending deja vu with this character.

What's worse is how Kyo's entire character development revolved around her, to the point where I'm not even sure what his character arc would look like post-breakup (assuming that ever happens). I would really like Norio to focus on his future plans and dreams.

All in all, this manga is nowhere near as enjoyable as the first 80ish chapters.

 

[FlorianGran]

Alright I made an account just for this fade, cuz all these “realism” card spammers need to get off their high horses and open their eyes to reality and the truth. This perceived notion that “realism magically equals good manga writing” is simply incorrect. In this thread, it seems anyone who calls out this ridiculous downturn of events in the manga, which was forced in how it was presented and developed since volume 11, gets hit with “oh it’s realistic you don’t understand,” “you just want forced wholesomeness” “that’d be bad writing,” when we are in the midst of bad writing open your eyes people. So many users are parading the manga quality like it’s still amazing by using the wrong reasoning.

The realism champions think random and cheap drama equates to cinematic and top tier storytelling, because somehow this is amazing BECAUSE it appears realistic and grounded, but I would pose the question, does BokuYaba even need this? And is this what the manga set out to be in its earlier form? For the most part, the answer is no to both. Here’s the thing, the pro-realistic crowd is applauding this mid-tier presentation of issues as some kind of gospel, because for some reason BokuYaba must reflect real life dating and social issues for it to be good apparently. Are you all unaware to the fact that real life dating, modern dating, is in the gutter right now? I mean there’s tons of things wrong with modern dating that I won’t get into too many specifics, but from all the fakeness, emphasis on appearances and material gains, lack of loyalty, etc etc., why does BokuYaba need to stoop to this level? If it’s “just to be realistic” then that reasoning is dumb.

Here’s my main point, BokuYaba is not a realistic story, never was, never will be. If BokuYaba was “realistic” from the beginning, as all these defenders of this silly drama arc that was poorly created and executed keep spamming over and over, then a girl like Yamada would NEVER date a guy like Ichikawa, end of story. If you applied this story’s circumstances to the real world, all of this would never happen. And even in the rarest instance these two kinds of people got together, a girl like Yamada in the real world would’ve cheated on a guy like Ichikawa by now. In the actual manga, Ichikawa and Yamada had a fairytale-type of love story, they only had one significant hiccup in 9 volumes leading to the confession. Since BokuYaba wasn’t playing all this “realistic teen social status drama” before for 10 volumes, like you guys are so fervently defending now, then what right is there to criticize those who don’t like it and consider it to be forced when BokuYaba wasn’t like this from the start.

Using “realism” as a cheap buzzword to defend an overall drop in quality and a way to put down anyone who speaks out against this arc is frankly ridiculous.

It's not about realism, every story needs conflict and drama if it wants to progress.

"Is this what the manga set out to be in its early form?" Yes it is https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...n-my-heart-manga-artist-norio-sakurai/.188103

ANN: How did you get the idea for The Dangers in My Heart?

SAKURAI: Personally, I'm a fan of idols. I enjoy daydreaming about what it would be like if my oshi (favorite idol) attended school with me and how I would interact with them. That was the genesis, I suppose. After all, even an idol has to attend school like a normal person. How would they interact with their classmates? I like thinking about that kind of thing.

Social status drama has always been at the center of the story. Kyo and Anna have always been SUPER insecure about how they're perceived, both to society at large and to each other and it's what drives the story.

 

[LeBronBron]

More like she feels that she would be intruding, not just with her celebrity status but also because (in her mind) Kyo, Kinoshita and Moe have more in common with each other.

Oooooh makes sense. But man I dont think we need that kinda drama 166 chapters into the story but thats just my opinion

 

[sauragorn10]

It's not about realism, every story needs conflict and drama if it wants to progress.

"Is this what the manga set out to be in its early form?" Yes it is https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...n-my-heart-manga-artist-norio-sakurai/.188103

ANN: How did you get the idea for The Dangers in My Heart?

SAKURAI: Personally, I'm a fan of idols. I enjoy daydreaming about what it would be like if my oshi (favorite idol) attended school with me and how I would interact with them. That was the genesis, I suppose. After all, even an idol has to attend school like a normal person. How would they interact with their classmates? I like thinking about that kind of thing.

Social status drama has always been at the center of the story. Kyo and Anna have always been SUPER insecure about how they're perceived, both to society at large and to each other and it's what drives the story.

Real quick, for the first bit, yes that’s true, but the way it was done here was poor, because the way the last volume ended with the whole “we can’t hang out anymore” declaration, Norio has barely built on that since. The story has advanced a tiny smidge since and that flashpoint just got largely dropped to focus on all the weird band stuff. However, even if I’m not feeling the current execution of events, at least now the manga should shift back to addressing these important issues, which is good.

The rest fair enough, I agree I can’t argue with an interview.

 

[UrnTheBandit]

Can't say it normally so thank you TL-Kun/Typesetter-Kun!

 

[tseeker]

I wonder if the sister's band arc was the author foreshadowing Anna realizing that the showbiz world is not worth the cost of your close ones?

The love of those fans is temporary, and easily shattered when they smell even a whiff of "impurity."

Sacrificing your love life for those types of people is not worth it.

Agreed. I've felt like the band situation is supposed to serve as a metaphor for their relationship, and it keeps going in that direction

 

[ShaiKhulud]

I'm willing to let Norio cook. This problem with Yamada's double lives is long overdue.

 

[FlorianGran]

Real quick, for the first bit, yes that’s true, but the way it was done here was poor, because the way the last volume ended with the whole “we can’t hang out anymore” declaration, Norio has barely built on that since. The story has advanced a tiny smidge since and that flashpoint just got largely dropped to focus on all the weird band stuff. However, even if I’m not feeling the current execution of events, at least now the manga should shift back to addressing these important issues, which is good.

The rest fair enough, I agree I can’t argue with an interview.

Not wanting to hang out was Kyo's way of dealing with feeling like a child after Yamada was restricted by her agency. He thought once he gets into high school he'll be grown up enough then. It's clear that he was in the wrong, as his grades start instantly slipping, because he can't just put this off until later and not see his girlfriend.

So to me the story right now is Kyo maturing to be the kind of man who can deal with Yamada's fame and the band drama was a part of that. Kana is a symbol of maturity to Kyo and she was treating him like a baby the entire volume, only to have him swoop in and solve the band's problem himself.

 

[aegnorosto]

a girl like Yamada would NEVER date a guy like Ichikawa, end of story.

Ichikawa and Yamada's relationship isn't as implausible as people often portray it.

Factors that play in favor of their relationship:

• Ichikawa isn't actually the social outcast he thinks he is. His classmates respect him for being one of the top students in the class, and nobody has a particular dislike of him.
• Yamada thinks Ichikawa is funny. She has a weird sense of humor (this was more prevalent early in the series), and Ichikawa understands and plays along with it.
• From the outside, Ichikawa's insecurites are often not apparent. Ichikawa may have nervous breakdowns in his internal monologues, but when it comes time to put up or shut up he always ends up pushing past his fears and doing whatever it was he was worrying about.
• Ichikawa has a similar personality to the romantic interest in Yamada's favorite manga.

TLDR: Ichikawa is smart, funny, plays along with Yamada's weird quirks, isn't insecure (from Yamada's perspective), and he reminds Yamada of a character she fangirls over.

 

[sauragorn10]

Ichikawa and Yamada's relationship isn't as implausible as people often portray it.

Factors that play in favor of their relationship:

• Ichikawa isn't actually the social outcast he thinks he is. His classmates respect him for being one of the top students in the class, and nobody has a particular dislike of him.
• Yamada thinks Ichikawa is funny. She has a weird sense of humor (this was more prevalent early in the series), and Ichikawa understands and plays along with it.
• From the outside, Ichikawa's insecurites are often not apparent. Ichikawa may have nervous breakdowns in his internal monologues, but when it comes time to put up or shut up he always ends up pushing past his fears and doing whatever it was he was worrying about.
• Ichikawa has a similar personality to the romantic interest in Yamada's favorite manga.

TLDR: Ichikawa is smart, funny, plays along with Yamada's weird quirks, isn't insecure (from Yamada's perspective), and he reminds Yamada of a character she fangirls over.

Alright alright, before anything else, all that is correct.

Here is my two cents, thread users are taking that one point I made completely out of context and are acting like I was talking about their relationship in the manga, full stop. I wasn’t. I was explicitly making the argument that if we took the plot of BokuYaba and its main circumstances, and put it in the REAL world, with the currents trends associated with modern dating in our actual world and not this manga, there’s a very high chance that a girl like Yamada, as in a girl who is a model, and popular on social media, with fboys chasing after her and all that, would not go out with someone like Ichikawa, who is considered the edgy quiet kid. Someone just cooked me about the whole social status aspect of the story, and so while I admit I misinterpreted that part in my argument, I was saying all the calls for BokuYaba to achieve total realism and make sure realistic issues occur for realism’s sake to counter arguments that say “hey I’m not feeling this arc” is ignoring the fact that BokuYaba in its rawest form wouldn’t occur in the real world. I understand I wrote a lot in my OP post but can you all please stop taking one sentence out of context?

 

[Heika]

I genuinely have no fucking clue what was going on

 

[FlorianGran]

Ichikawa and Yamada's relationship isn't as implausible as people often portray it.

Factors that play in favor of their relationship:

• Ichikawa isn't actually the social outcast he thinks he is. His classmates respect him for being one of the top students in the class, and nobody has a particular dislike of him.
• Yamada thinks Ichikawa is funny. She has a weird sense of humor (this was more prevalent early in the series), and Ichikawa understands and plays along with it.
• From the outside, Ichikawa's insecurites are often not apparent. Ichikawa may have nervous breakdowns in his internal monologues, but when it comes time to put up or shut up he always ends up pushing past his fears and doing whatever it was he was worrying about.
• Ichikawa has a similar personality to the romantic interest in Yamada's favorite manga.

TLDR: Ichikawa is smart, funny, plays along with Yamada's weird quirks, isn't insecure (from Yamada's perspective), and he reminds Yamada of a character she fangirls over.

To add another thing, it's not like Kyo is ugly lol. He has his over exaggerated bang but he's shown to know how to make himself look good even from the earliest chapters.

 

[Niftykoala]

For some reason I got this kinda vibe...

 

[Psychronia]

Fairly recently, Ichikawa tried to make himself the bad guy while propping Yamada up to sell their maze idea at the school festival, and that should have shown off just how he isn't as unpopular as he thinks he is.
People actually treated his words with more credibility than Yamada's.

It's easy to forget because we're in his head for 95% of the story, but Ichikawa is insecure, not unpopular, unattractive, sick in the head, or anything that would really warrant a "guy like him" comment.

He's insecure because he's a socially astute boy in the throes of puberty panicking because he's dealing with life's changes. But on the outside, he's just a more quiet kid who sometimes does awkward things like any other, but sometimes surprises everyone with sincerity and insight.

 

[sauragorn10]

Fairly recently, Ichikawa tried to make himself the bad guy while propping Yamada up to sell their maze idea at the school festival, and that should have shown off just how he isn't as unpopular as he thinks he is.
People actually treated his words with more credibility than Yamada's.

It's easy to forget because we're in his head for 95% of the story, but Ichikawa is insecure, not unpopular, unattractive, sick in the head, or anything that would really warrant a "guy like him" comment.

He's insecure because he's a socially astute boy in the throes of puberty panicking because he's dealing with life's changes. But on the outside, he's just a more quiet kid who sometimes does awkward things like any other, but sometimes surprises everyone with sincerity and insight.

Yea I’m just gonna pack my bags and head out since everyone wants to completely ignore everything I said to microscopically focus on one sentence that’s been taken out of context. Thanks everyone, awesome time here I had fun 👍

 

[snowwolf163]

Alright alright, before anything else, all that is correct.

Here is my two cents, thread users are taking that one point I made completely out of context and are acting like I was talking about their relationship in the manga, full stop. I wasn’t. I was explicitly making the argument that if we took the plot of BokuYaba and its main circumstances, and put it in the REAL world, with the current trends associated with modern dating in our actual world and not this manga, there’s a very high chance that a girl like Yamada, as in a girl who is a model, and popular on social media, with fboys chasing after her and all that, would not go out with someone like Ichikawa, who is considered the edgy quiet kid. Someone just cooked me about the whole social status aspect of the story, and so while I admit I misinterpreted that part in my argument, I was saying all the calls for BokuYaba to achieve total realism and make sure realistic issues occur for realism’s sake to counter arguments that say “hey I’m not feeling this arc” is ignoring the fact that BokuYaba in its rawest form wouldn’t occur in the real world. I understand I wrote a lot in my OP post but can you all please stop taking one sentence out of context?

U forgot one critical thing here: They're both middle school students so they don't get exposed to degenerate culture as much as high schooler like other series. Also, because Yamada is in the industrial and surrounded by good adults like her parents, her manager, senpai, etc. she hasn't been chased by fckboys yet. Her personality also points out she doesn't care much about real life boys until Ichikawa appears on her radar.
Another thing is while Yamada is in the model industrial, she is not a popular one yet. You forget she stood right beside her magazine and no one care. No one recognize her yet. Even her stalker is more popular than her.
So, while the romance trope between hot/popular girl and a nerdy boy you mentioned is true, this trope is not as amplified because of the context since they haven't reached their own peak yet (Yamada hasn't reached her peak popularity where everyone in school drooling for her and Ichikawa hasn't reached his nerdy/otaku/weirdo state where no one want to interact with him). Otherwise, I would have agreed with you.

 

[sauragorn10]

U forgot one critical thing here: They're both middle school students so they don't get exposed to degenerate culture as much as high schooler like other series. Also, because Yamada is in the industrial and surrounded by good adults like her parents, her manager, senpai, etc. she hasn't been chased by fckboys yet. Her personality also points out she doesn't care much about real life boys until Ichikawa appears on her radar.
Another thing is while Yamada is in the model industrial, she is not a popular one yet. You forget she stood right beside her magazine and no one care. No one recognize her yet. Even her stalker is more popular than her.

Nanpai is a fboy, guess we forgot about him. Yamada is literally getting way more popular than ever she’s getting articles written about her man am I speaking a different language? I’m so confused how literally everything I said is being completely misunderstood.

 

[Ruwan]

Imma be real, I zoned out for the last 10 chapters and I have no idea what's happening anymore