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Original story line: Butao's family ded
MC want: family not ded
Story changed too much: family not ded got harderer?
Story already changed: change more? easierer more? harderer more?

harderest: read comments
easierest: comment

Anywaeh, I enjoy the put focus on side characters more instead of the Pritiginist :slap:
 
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This fucking bitch complicating things further
So what if that guy insulted the protagonist, it’s not like she herself didn’t do that before mc’s soul took over.
 
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Oh now he's there for her (his body's childhood friend) only took to this point 74 for them to do something with him and now it stops here

Is it me or has he gotten bigger like his proportions all fucked up
 
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The person who ended up in the body of a demon made me think it would be cool if there was a story of someone who isekaied into the body of a powerful devil who keeps getting summoned to grant wishes. They are kind hearted and instead of being like the devil and twisting the wishes to cause the people harm, they give good people exactly what they wanted. The problem is the repercussions of their wish cause things to be worse without twisting involved, not because of fate or some force, but because they don't consider the consequences when they make the wish. Like they wish for someone to be alive, unlike the devil who would have caused them to come back to life in their coffin, the mc has the person appear alive in their room, but they didn't consider what the person would wear and how the person has to hide the fact that they came back because everyone knows they died. The MC doesn't have enough understanding of their abilities to realize these facts, and they can only grant a single wish. They do however watch what happens to the people whose wish they granted. Over time they learn more and are able to help the people making the wish to deal with their issues without wishes or how to construct the wish while avoiding the repercussions. Also the main character ended up in the body of the devil due to a wish a rival devil pushed someone else to make.
looking back I come up with so many random ideas. If only I had the discipline and skill to make them a reality.
 
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God isekai readers are insufferable. They just want power fantasy. There's like a million boring horseshit powerfantasy out there. This is actually decent compared to those that are basicaully deus ex machina written by losers of society who has bland personalities and no sense of any humor or banter. Sensitive losers who always makes petty villains be annoying and lose easily and allies that are subservient to MC and have no other identity and zero relationship outside of being an MC simp.
 
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The person who ended up in the body of a demon made me think it would be cool if there was a story of someone who isekaied into the body of a powerful devil who keeps getting summoned to grant wishes. They are kind hearted and instead of being like the devil and twisting the wishes to cause the people harm, they give good people exactly what they wanted. The problem is the repercussions of their wish cause things to be worse without twisting involved, not because of fate or some force, but because they don't consider the consequences when they make the wish. Like they wish for someone to be alive, unlike the devil who would have caused them to come back to life in their coffin, the mc has the person appear alive in their room, but they didn't consider what the person would wear and how the person has to hide the fact that they came back because everyone knows they died. The MC doesn't have enough understanding of their abilities to realize these facts, and they can only grant a single wish. They do however watch what happens to the people whose wish they granted. Over time they learn more and are able to help the people making the wish to deal with their issues without wishes or how to construct the wish while avoiding the repercussions. Also the main character ended up in the body of the devil due to a wish a rival devil pushed someone else to make.
looking back I come up with so many random ideas. If only I had the discipline and skill to make them a reality.
Kind of reminds me of the Fairy Idol episode of The Fairly Odd Parents where Chester actually was granted everything he wished for as he wanted it by Norm, but things still ended up bad with every wish just simply because of the cons he failed to consider, he had the right heart, but failed to consider the potential cons of his wish. I could see something like you're proposing making for a pretty entertaining gag series, though I wonder what the resolution of each arc would entail so the whole premise doesn't get repetitive (I imagine someone could make it work if they really wanted to, I just wonder what it would look like.)
 
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Damn Kaoru calves at page 6 is unappealing like fuck. At page 7 her legs looks like someone broke them in multiple places. This artist draws MC like some kinda mutant in his far form, and most of the times female legs are drawn borderline ugly.

Also if the girl at 20th page is the glasses one I said is cute in previous chapter - then I either wonder if her "rack" is just her clothes "faking" it, or she does have big tits at which point I take it back ;P Glasses are cute, but as petanko enjoyer - big boobas remove girls from the list of cute ones.
 
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Kind of reminds me of the Fairy Idol episode of The Fairly Odd Parents where Chester actually was granted everything he wished for as he wanted it by Norm, but things still ended up bad with every wish just simply because of the cons he failed to consider, he had the right heart, but failed to consider the potential cons of his wish. I could see something like you're proposing making for a pretty entertaining gag series, though I wonder what the resolution of each arc would entail so the whole premise doesn't get repetitive (I imagine someone could make it work if they really wanted to, I just wonder what it would look like.)
I think it would be a single season with the main character slowly improving as they make mistakes. They make a ton of mistakes in the beginning and maybe they have the ability to check in with the people who made the wish, originally used to taunt and haunt the wisher, but they use it to give support to them, even though they cannot grant them another wish. I think some problems they can overcome with some work, and sometimes they can get different wishers in contact with each other like getting a fake identity for someone brought back to life. I think by the end of the series most of the problems are dealt with and the main character is getting better at helping people learn what they actually want to wish for, or having their wish not have as bad of problems, and even if problems happen the people whose wishes were granted have become a social group who help each other and anyone else whose wish was granted by the MC. I think ending it with the MC contacting the group about making another mistake and the group affirming they are ready and willing to help would be a good end to the season. If there was a second season it would be having the MC in conflict with the devil who had them take over the devil's body, maybe also dealing with a devil worshiping cult built by the other devil. then if there was a third season it would deal with either the world of devils or conflicts with a religious group probably having to do with them targeting the MC and the group that they work with, probably gaining attention due to something that happened during the conflict with the other devil.
 
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God isekai readers are insufferable. They just want power fantasy. There's like a million boring horseshit powerfantasy out there. This is actually decent compared to those that are basicaully deus ex machina written by losers of society who has bland personalities and no sense of any humor or banter. Sensitive losers who always makes petty villains be annoying and lose easily and allies that are subservient to MC and have no other identity and zero relationship outside of being an MC simp.
That's a bit too harsh, chill out lol
"You don't make super brained super mc where I can self wet insert myself = your story suck, your mc suck, author suck" :dogkek:

I think those guys are just farming reactions. Pretty clever actually.
 
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The world in this manga is straight up fucking retarded. Apparently nobles can do whatever the fuck they want and consequences be damned. There is no law enforcement, no guns, no police and no army. Class B's number one straight up tried to murder the top dogs of Class A who are also nobles and the whole thing just went away. Class D's dumbasses are guilty of manslaughter and nobody gives a fuck about it. If they want the class E people to fuck off why even create it in the first place? Is this the only adventurer school that's comically evil and incompetent? Why are they still attending the school if they can just go to dungeon and do the same shit? What does the school provide for them and why are they so intent on that specific school when they know it's pretty much lawless wild west?

Mc talks about preparing "his" family, that's supposed to die, for something and power levels them and then goes about saying he doesn't want to alter the story and leave the main cast to be abused by bunch of losers. If he's gonna do jackshit about the school and its condition, why even attend it? Just use the gate and grind the fuck out like the nolife hardcore gamer that he is supposed to be. He wants information about school? Ask the pig's fiancé or the other player.

None of this would've changed even if the dude was OP. The world itself is ass. 74 motherfucking chapters and everything that's happened could've happened in 10.
 
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These drawings of Souta having a gigantic head are killing me. Fat people have normal heads, fat accumulates on the cheeks and neck.


You're not wrong that it's annoying, but he has reasons. He believes that he will have foreknowledge of upcoming plot events, provided he doesn't let the story go off the rails. Also he doesn't want to stick out too much lest he gets targetted by the noble families.

I think he's wrong on both points. The story has already gone off the rails, with multiple characters getting influenced by players. He's already stuck out enough to get noticed by nobles-- Tenma, the student council, the Red Ninjettes clan, etc.
It definitely has. It's weird but he was already supposed to be kicked out of the class. How is he going to spew that he wants to keep the story the way its supposed to go if he is still there. He needs to realize he's done already. His own accomplishments has changed the story already.
 
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About that:
So apparently Tsukishima, the blond dude, is about to suffer the consequences of his actions soon enough. So yeah, there's genuine consequences if Butao/MC shows his true strength or anyone in Class E.
That consequence is getting beaten by the MC (in disguise with the help of monster dude) during the duel they agreed in this chapter. So no, story itself doesn't punish him but MC does because he has a raging boner for the "story". There is still no evidence or support for his obsession about keeping the story on track. Because it is already so off the rails that even an entire country makes a giant move that wasn't even in the game.
 
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Haven't read any of the the novel myself, so this is all based on what I've read in the manga. I think part of what helps on this front is the fact that I'm a more recent reader of the manga, so it's easier to retain and follow along with everything since I haven't been affected by the windows between releases (which might be part of what's hurting the series for you, not sure, I know it affects some.)

It is true that the series hasn't really done much to touch on what is and isn't important to be followed exactly, though that's pretty true of most series with a similar premise that we won't really know about what constitutes a major deviation until the characters note this fact, so the fact I have experience with something similar might be helping me on this front. So far we know that the main party for the game's main character is fairly important, the results of the school festival won't change much and from there it kind of comes down to perspective, like how I imagine associating with Tenma is more of a non-issue because that just affects the romance side of things, and not the main plot (pretty typical for these types of games if you've ever played something like Trails or Persona.) Similarly, Satsuki's situation should be fine since she generally keeps her strength hidden, like Butao does, and so long as she remains on the sidelines since, iirc, she just kind of disappears from the game from that point, so what is one more background character really is the logic (especially since it was considered a necessary change, much like Butao helping his family to get strong so they don't die in what is coming.)

Honestly, it's fair that you find his logic and reasoning to be inconsistent, and you don't even have to fully agree with my analysis, everybody has their own way of thinking about things and viewing the world. The big thing to remember with our MC is just that he too is human. He wants to only view things objectively and in a way that only reflects his self-interest, but, in the end, just like most people, he finds himself betraying his intended logic in favor of his emotions and his self-interest in favor of his empathetic side, which is all very common for someone we have learned tended to spend is life isolated from others, no family, no friends, just him and his games against the world, but, bit by bit, he's being forced to recognize that he is no longer alone, reflecting on the days that he once thought weren't "lonely." (Sorry for this last bit of rambling, I like to psychoanalyze characters like this and pick apart what drives them to do x, y and z cause I find the human mind to be rather fascinating.)

That all being said, do I think this is some phenomenal story that has no flaws? No, definitely not, the criticisms aren't unwarranted and there are aspects of the story that could be better, like I do agree it'd be good to have a bit more clarity on the MCs goals overall, and some of the pacing can be rather awkward. I do think that people are too harsh on it though, and some criticisms just flat out don't make sense (like the early criticism that "no gamer wouldn't spend ages customizing their character," despite the fact that plenty do when they just want to jump straight into a game they're excited about,) but it's all a matter of perspective, and so the best advice I can give in circumstances like this is to turn your perspective around and see if maybe there's some angle that you might have just missed, and if you don't see it, that's okay too, it's something that can take practice and sometimes it's just a sign some things about the story just don't click with you (there are plenty of stories I can't ever resonate with, no matter how hard I try, like how I just don't get why people love The Emince in Shadow so much, even if I look at it from the lens of satire or parody.)
Wasn't going to interrupt, until I realized I was mentioned. I did already mention to you that I wasn't using the gamer example as a critique on the authors writing skill, it was more so me pointing out that the average person I've seen irl both friends and family, youtubers, and streamers, almost always fail to resist spending time dressing up or customizing their character. So I just pointed out that imo it wasn't that believable since it isn't something that happens with the average person. It's also the same reason you practically never see anyone wearing the default minecraft skin, because instinctively people want to customize it
 
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Haven't read any of the the novel myself, so this is all based on what I've read in the manga. I think part of what helps on this front is the fact that I'm a more recent reader of the manga, so it's easier to retain and follow along with everything since I haven't been affected by the windows between releases (which might be part of what's hurting the series for you, not sure, I know it affects some.)

It is true that the series hasn't really done much to touch on what is and isn't important to be followed exactly, though that's pretty true of most series with a similar premise that we won't really know about what constitutes a major deviation until the characters note this fact, so the fact I have experience with something similar might be helping me on this front. So far we know that the main party for the game's main character is fairly important, the results of the school festival won't change much and from there it kind of comes down to perspective, like how I imagine associating with Tenma is more of a non-issue because that just affects the romance side of things, and not the main plot (pretty typical for these types of games if you've ever played something like Trails or Persona.) Similarly, Satsuki's situation should be fine since she generally keeps her strength hidden, like Butao does, and so long as she remains on the sidelines since, iirc, she just kind of disappears from the game from that point, so what is one more background character really is the logic (especially since it was considered a necessary change, much like Butao helping his family to get strong so they don't die in what is coming.)

Honestly, it's fair that you find his logic and reasoning to be inconsistent, and you don't even have to fully agree with my analysis, everybody has their own way of thinking about things and viewing the world. The big thing to remember with our MC is just that he too is human. He wants to only view things objectively and in a way that only reflects his self-interest, but, in the end, just like most people, he finds himself betraying his intended logic in favor of his emotions and his self-interest in favor of his empathetic side, which is all very common for someone we have learned tended to spend is life isolated from others, no family, no friends, just him and his games against the world, but, bit by bit, he's being forced to recognize that he is no longer alone, reflecting on the days that he once thought weren't "lonely." (Sorry for this last bit of rambling, I like to psychoanalyze characters like this and pick apart what drives them to do x, y and z cause I find the human mind to be rather fascinating.)

That all being said, do I think this is some phenomenal story that has no flaws? No, definitely not, the criticisms aren't unwarranted and there are aspects of the story that could be better, like I do agree it'd be good to have a bit more clarity on the MCs goals overall, and some of the pacing can be rather awkward. I do think that people are too harsh on it though, and some criticisms just flat out don't make sense (like the early criticism that "no gamer wouldn't spend ages customizing their character," despite the fact that plenty do when they just want to jump straight into a game they're excited about,) but it's all a matter of perspective, and so the best advice I can give in circumstances like this is to turn your perspective around and see if maybe there's some angle that you might have just missed, and if you don't see it, that's okay too, it's something that can take practice and sometimes it's just a sign some things about the story just don't click with you (there are plenty of stories I can't ever resonate with, no matter how hard I try, like how I just don't get why people love The Emince in Shadow so much, even if I look at it from the lens of satire or parody.)
Well my opinion aside, yes many people here are naturally going to be overly critical because the author goes out of his way to make this story as intentionally frustrating as possible
 
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My interest in this manga is dyin out,I wish something interesting happen like kouru dying or something
Same bro. I jumped from ch 46 to this to check if MC actually does something, but no its still the same.

Also from previous spoilers in ch 45-46 comments, seems like MCs fav character Class A sera is going to get stolen, so may be at that time he will do something?

Anyway dropped for now, will check after 10-15 chapters whether something interesting happened or not.
 

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man throughout the entire series theres been like 3-4 turning events worth remebering, the rest can literally be summed up in like 3 pages.

the conflict of the 2 Egos in one body could be an amazing plot point to focus on but man they just be missin all the shots
 
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The world in this manga is straight up fucking retarded. Apparently nobles can do whatever the fuck they want and consequences be damned. There is no law enforcement, no guns, no police and no army. Class B's number one straight up tried to murder the top dogs of Class A who are also nobles and the whole thing just went away. Class D's dumbasses are guilty of manslaughter and nobody gives a fuck about it. If they want the class E people to fuck off why even create it in the first place? Is this the only adventurer school that's comically evil and incompetent? Why are they still attending the school if they can just go to dungeon and do the same shit? What does the school provide for them and why are they so intent on that specific school when they know it's pretty much lawless wild west?

Mc talks about preparing "his" family, that's supposed to die, for something and power levels them and then goes about saying he doesn't want to alter the story and leave the main cast to be abused by bunch of losers. If he's gonna do jackshit about the school and its condition, why even attend it? Just use the gate and grind the fuck out like the nolife hardcore gamer that he is supposed to be. He wants information about school? Ask the pig's fiancé or the other player.

None of this would've changed even if the dude was OP. The world itself is ass. 74 motherfucking chapters and everything that's happened could've happened in 10.
It's called corruption, it happens a lot. If you're rich and powerful, you don't get in trouble. Also, if everything happened in 10 chapters, you'd probably have dropped it sooner instead of reading 74 chapters.
This whole comment section is readers are cucked by the author not writing another power fantasy and decide to mald 74 chapters in.
 
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This whole comment section is readers are cucked by the author not writing another power fantasy and decide to mald 74 chapters in.
"None of this would've changed even if the dude was OP. The world itself is ass. 74 motherfucking chapters and everything that's happened could've happened in 10."

If you lack comprehension skills don't quote people. Corruption doesn't mean rich/powerful person will get away with trying to kill another rich/powerful person.

Author has absolutely no fucking clue how to hinder the mc, so he came up with "sTOrY MusT bE ProTecTED" excuse to cripple him. He and his family should be nothing more than background characters and now they are pro dungeon divers. Pig was supposed to be expelled yet he keeps going to school, changes the relationship with the fiancé, saves someone who was also supposed to be expelled and power levels her, befriends one of the noble heroines when he wasn't even supposed to be at school, gets caught by the intelligence(lol) having a skill someone like him shouldn't have, he also gets noticed by the spy from the US using another skill he shouldn't have, his sister whom he power leveled, gets mistaken as an infamous individual but nah he is supposed to keep the story intact, amirite?

I bet you are one of those people that think a story is good just because characters keep dying, lmao. It's okay to enjoy slop, don't let other people take away your fun from you.
 
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My interest in this manga is dyin out,I wish something interesting happen like kouru dying or something
You're not the only one, even at JP people are complaining I think the series is on a fall for now.
The real problem is that nothing really is happening, the series is too slow, and the novel is slower.
Given the amount of chapters and the novels that are available so far, we don't have a main theme, and this is hurting the series in the long run since we also don't have a main villain even if it was a temporary one.
The author favorite chars so far are Kano, Kaoru and the clown character Arthur.
However, we barely know a thing about them, the game hero's squad (Akagi, Kaoru, Tachigi and Sanjo (Game's Female MC)) we don't know a thing about them.
Risa is an important character, but we also don't know a thing about her motivations or goals, aside from helping Satsuki and the fact she was a clan leader.
So far we only have the game events but since the MC was isekai'ed as a side character the schools events aren't his main concern and in this arc, all that's left is his commitment to keep the story intact which is the only source of conflict for the MC so far.

Overall, a lot of people like the setting the author managed to create, but the bad writing and slow pacing is killing the series.
 

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