Kanojo ni Uwaki Sareteita Ore ga, Koakuma na Kouhai ni Natsukareteimasu - Ch. 31

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Ayaka is not completely scot-free. It's clear she knew in her mind "I can take him at any time" and was very much in that mood when they took the trip. That's arrogance in several ways. You may be hot s--t, but the fact that you're 100 percent confident you take anyone out of an existing relationship with a Thanos Finger Snap? Wow, just wow. And to what end? So as much as folks dislike Reina (including me), women have that instinctive sense of when what's theirs is threatened.

Like I said, hardly anyone aside from the Kouhai is really likeable in this series. The MC could honestly stand to define his relationship bright lines more - but then again, the classic excuse is most men are clueless - and they are. The eminent question is when will men start thinking like that in order to improve their relationships? Well, the smart ones figure it out after the first breakup, when they do an internal post-mort and conclude root cause. The rest end up in a ho-hum marriage or a series of round-robin divorces, all the while saying to themselves, "it can't be me, I just have bad luck."

Unfortunately for all of us, this waterboarding will continue if you've read the Web Novel, and yes, it can and does get worse for the invested audience anyway. If you thought some really insensible choices have been made in the last Thirty Chapters, well, hold on to your butts as they say in Jurassic Park.
Wait - did that trip with Ayaka happen while Yuuta and Reina were still dating? I thought that was post-breakup and was just because Ayaka does in fact like Yuuta but will never act on it because of their built-up history?

If I'm wrong, then so be it, that's a bad look for Ayaka. But if my mental timeline is correct, then that's completely irrelevant to the bullshit that Reina's put everyone, herself included, through.
 
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Ayaka is not completely scot-free. It's clear she knew in her mind "I can take him at any time" and was very much in that mood when they took the trip. That's arrogance in several ways. You may be hot s--t, but the fact that you're 100 percent confident you take anyone out of an existing relationship with a Thanos Finger Snap? Wow, just wow. And to what end? So as much as folks dislike Reina (including me), women have that instinctive sense of when what's theirs is threatened.

Like I said, hardly anyone aside from the Kouhai is really likeable in this series. The MC could honestly stand to define his relationship bright lines more - but then again, the classic excuse is most men are clueless - and they are. The eminent question is when will men start thinking like that in order to improve their relationships? Well, the smart ones figure it out after the first breakup, when they do an internal post-mort and conclude root cause. The rest end up in a ho-hum marriage or a series of round-robin divorces, all the while saying to themselves, "it can't be me, I just have bad luck."

Unfortunately for all of us, this waterboarding will continue if you've read the Web Novel, and yes, it can and does get worse for the invested audience anyway. If you thought some really insensible choices have been made in the last Thirty Chapters, well, hold on to your butts as they say in Jurassic Park.
You can't be serious, bro. If Ayaka really had that "I can take you anytime" mentality, then why hasn’t she? Not once has she overstepped her boundaries. She doesn’t go to his house. She doesn’t spend the night like Mayu. But somehow, according to your logic, she's walking around thinking she can have him whenever she wants? Come on—that doesn’t even make sense. She’s never shown that. If that were true, she and Yuta would already be in a relationship. She’s flirted with him, she clearly sees them as more than friends, and yet she still hasn’t pushed for anything serious. That logic is wild. The fact that your mind even went there makes no sense.
 
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Wait - did that trip with Ayaka happen while Yuuta and Reina were still dating? I thought that was post-breakup and was just because Ayaka does in fact like Yuuta but will never act on it because of their built-up history?

If I'm wrong, then so be it, that's a bad look for Ayaka. But if my mental timeline is correct, then that's completely irrelevant to the bullshit that Reina's put everyone, herself included, through.
I don’t even know why you bothered asking that. You know Yuuta wasn’t in a relationship with Reina when he went on that trip with Ayaka. Everything that’s happened so far is after their breakup, so come on now. That guy is trying to blame Ayaka for having feelings for Yuuta, which at this point makes zero sense because she's never acted on it.
 
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She goes out with a guy who straight out tells her he wants to be her boyfriend, to see if she'll catch feelings and you don't think that's cheating? Oh and again, it's the day before their anniversary.

Damn you're an enabler.
I can read her mind and intentions, I can no longer judge her as a normal human being. So now that I know for a fact that all she did was hold some guy's hand, I really don't think she's a monster. I might not think this is cheating but I never said Yuuta was wrong for breaking up with her either.
 
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I've heard a lot of negative opinions about this series that the girl cheats on the MC, but I'm not sure in what way whether it's kissing, sex, or some other form of betrayal.
I've also heard that another girl, I think her name was (Mayu), cheats on her boyfriend by getting close to the MC.
That's why I'd prefer to ask before I start reading.
Could someone please give me short descriptions of the main characters and their main faults/motivations?
Thank you in advance to anyone who replies.
 
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ahaha I'm getting called an incel now, by people who've obviously never been in an actual relationship

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As someone who has experienced what reina went through to some extent i kind of get where she is coming from and understand what might have led to her doing what she did. Doesnt mean shes faultless but I can understand her reasoning. A lot of people seem to forget that while Reina did originally give the okay her talking with natuski also didnt help things either making her doubt and over think things which is common even in real life. Yuuta is also a bit at fault because instead of going to Reina for his troubles he went to Ayaka and Reina didnt know about until she got glimpses of that text on his phone. (Could she have asked about it? Sure but sometimes relationships dont work like that sometimes you get blinded and you dont realize it until after a lot of self reflection)

I think the fact a lot of people are yelling to the heavens that holding someone's hand for what seems like 5 seconds is an act of absolute betrayal is kinda funny tho
What? Why? If you know a person who can help you out with a problem, but the problem itself is not that big a deal (not life threatening I mean), why would you involve and worry those around you?
The betrayal is NOT the hand holding, IT'S HER THOUGHTS. She thought about the handholding as a test, she KNEW that holding hands like lovers was crossing the line, and she still did it to see what it would feel like. Also, MC walks side by side with Ayaka, but they don't show any sings of body contact the way lovers do, so her Reina's point was moot from the very beginning. She should try kissing the guy next to see if she feels anything from it. Next, just let him use the tip, maybe that is not cheating either?
he's a dumbass like duration is a thing to consider (mind that in manga it doesn't shows how long). he's probably a cuck, "oh there 10 cock in my gf pussy but it's okay tho, only 20 sec each so not cheating"
 
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I've heard a lot of negative opinions about this series that the girl cheats on the MC, but I'm not sure in what way whether it's kissing, sex, or some other form of betrayal.
I've also heard that another girl, I think her name was (Mayu), cheats on her boyfriend by getting close to the MC.
That's why I'd prefer to ask before I start reading.
Could someone please give me short descriptions of the main characters and their main faults/motivations?
Thank you in advance to anyone who replies.
honestly, you're better off just not starting this one. Trying to summarize what's happened thus far won't really tell you anything anyway, and it's already such a dumpster fire with--if it follows the novel version faithfully--much more stupidity still to come, that your brain cells will thank you just not engaging.
I'm mad at myself that I keep coming back every 2 months when another chapter comes out. Take my misery as a cautionary tale and run for your life.
 
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I don’t even know why you bothered asking that. You know Yuuta wasn’t in a relationship with Reina when he went on that trip with Ayaka. Everything that’s happened so far is after their breakup, so come on now. That guy is trying to blame Ayaka for having feelings for Yuuta, which at this point makes zero sense because she's never acted on it.
I was just trying to be nice and give them the benefit of the doubt, because I also am not going back and reading all of this yet again to confirm because I don't hate myself that much.

But yeah, I suspected I was correct about the timeline, but I also know not to trust my own brain too much at this point.
 
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I've heard a lot of negative opinions about this series that the girl cheats on the MC, but I'm not sure in what way whether it's kissing, sex, or some other form of betrayal.
I've also heard that another girl, I think her name was (Mayu), cheats on her boyfriend by getting close to the MC.
That's why I'd prefer to ask before I start reading.
Could someone please give me short descriptions of the main characters and their main faults/motivations?
Thank you in advance to anyone who replies.
I have free time so why not here is my half-assed probably wrong TLDR:

MC has a GF, but he also had a female best friend before he met the GF, he is close with his female friend but not in a romantic way, he asks his GF if she is bothered by his friendship with his friend but she says no.
But the GF actually DOES feel insecure about it and assumes he is cheating, so in a stroke of brain fart she decides to agree to "pretend date" a fuckboy who was openly hitting on her knowing she has a BF.

She does this on the anniversary of being MC's GF, she locks her fingers with fuckboy in front of MC and he sees them so they break up.

Then the story happens, and a lot of bullshitery ensues.
 
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I've heard a lot of negative opinions about this series that the girl cheats on the MC, but I'm not sure in what way whether it's kissing, sex, or some other form of betrayal.
I've also heard that another girl, I think her name was (Mayu), cheats on her boyfriend by getting close to the MC.
That's why I'd prefer to ask before I start reading.
Could someone please give me short descriptions of the main characters and their main faults/motivations?
Thank you in advance to anyone who replies.
1-The story deals with emotional betrayal not so much the sexual kind. This doesn't mean it is less important, because the involved parties are just so pure that it destroyed both of them after the aftermath for a while. Just for the record they are both just young adults without experience and the MC comes from a really harsh background regarding relationships. He's very serious to a fault and the "cheating" partner was stablished as a very proper individual with a clean background and solid moral compass.

2-Mayu is a random Junior the MC meets one day and per pure chance they share their stories, she's been genuinely cheated on the traditional level and she's pissed off by this fact so to damage the cheater she was already planning on breaking up she asks the MC on a Christmas date (he accepts because of something he did to her as an apology) but then she crashes out a gathering were the MC and her cheating boyfriend were going to be and used him out of the blue to cause an incident and leave with the cheater to then break up with him. Later, She apologize later to him and starts to hangout as friends.

3-Character descriptions and motivations:
MC: Heartbroken. Story starts with him thinking hard about a lot of stuff regarding romance and relationships, he's trying to be a reliable senior to Mayu and a good friend to Ayaka whom he shares a tragic background that puts a clear obstacle on why they don't end up being a couple despite everything. Kind of naive, broke up with Reina after a series of communication problems that caused a two-sided misunderstanding despite both of them genuinely loving each other. Wanted to keep his distance from Reina to avoid getting hurt anymore but decides to learn her side just to get emotional closure and move on.

Mayu: a Junior studying in the same University as the MC, Ayaka and Natsuki. She got cheated on before the start of the story and asks the MC to collaborate on her really childish revenge that isn't important to the story. After this she feels attracted romantically to the good and serious nature of the MC and decides to force herself into his life. Has a past beef with Ayaka. Is neutral about Reina but shows signs of siding more with her because she understands feeling inferior to Ayaka.

Ayaka: the MCs best friend and current classmate. Her really good looks have always sparked a problem in the past, she became friends with the MC but this caused a huge bullying incident for the both of them in high school. Decided her personality wasn't doing her much better and starting university she becomes more outgoing to try and avoid that incident happening again. She likes the MC but is unable to advance their relationship because she fears breaking the status quo. Has an undisclosed issue with Mayu, probably related to her old ways of conduct. Is Neutral about Reina but sides with the MC due to loyalty as is very aware she might have been the cause of their rift even if by mistake. Ignored Natsuki's intentions and motives for a long while and just thought of her as a fellow club member.

Reina: the MCs ex that studies in another university. Labeled a cheater, is trying to get in touch with the MC again after sorting her own emotions. Is conflicted on deciding what to actually convey to him to try and mend their destroyed relationship. Originally they loved each other deeply, her inferiority complex slowly escalated because of communication issues that lead her to "try" feeling like cheating by holding hands with one of her Juniors that confessed his feelings to her as if they were lovers. This backfired horribly and weights on her mind to this day. A good friend of Natsuki, feels jealous of Ayaka whom she has never spoken with proper and speaks in a condescending way to Mayu, a Junior.

Natsuki: Reina's Best friend and the MCs classmate, is in the same club as Ayaka. Someone with what is seemingly a self esteem problem. Approaches the MC in a friendly way but this is apparently to gather information about him and feed it to Reina by leaking his activities and conduct. Judges the MC deeply out of loyalty with Reina. Dislikes most of the cast except for her friend.

Basketball bro: a member of the basketball club the MCs attend. Knew about Reina and was worried when the MC broke up with her. He's a tease that just wants the MC to be happy but deeply desires for him and Ayaka to end up together. Is friendly to Mayu who forced her way to the MCs club activities.
 
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Urządzenie jest po prostu elektryczne i daje im ryzyko, nie jest możliwe, aby uzyskać dostęp do tego wszystkiego i jeszcze raz, aby się ujawnić, bo aż tak bardzo siebie nienawidzę.

Ale tak, przypuszczałem, że rozwiązanie co do osi czasu, ale wiem też, że na tym zasadzie nie można za bardzo ufać określonemu mózgow
lepiej po prostu nie zaczynaj. Próba podsumowania tego, co się do tej pory radiowej, tak naprawdę nic ci nie powie, a to już taki śmietnik z – jeśli wiernie trzyma się wersji powieściowej – jeszcze większej częstotliwości, że twoje komórki mózgowe podziękują ci za to, że po prostu nie angażujesz się.
Jestem na siebie wściekła, że wracam co 2 miesiące, gdy wychodzi kolejny rozdział. Potraktuj moją osobę nędzę jako przestrogę i uciekaj, żeby ratować życie.

szczerze, lepiej po prostu nie zaczynaj. Próba podsumowania tego, co się do tej pory wydarzyło, tak naprawdę nic ci nie powie, a to już taki śmietnik z – jeśli wiernie trzyma się wersji powieściowej – jeszcze większą głupotą, że twoje komórki mózgowe podziękują ci za to, że po prostu nie angażujesz się.
Jestem na siebie wściekła, że wracam co 2 miesiące, gdy wychodzi kolejny rozdział. Potraktuj moją nędzę jako przestrogę i uciekaj, żeby ratować życie.

honestly, you're better off just not starting this one. Trying to summarize what's happened thus far won't really tell you anything anyway, and it's already such a dumpster fire with--if it follows the novel version faithfully--much more stupidity still to come, that your brain cells will thank you just not engaging.
I'm mad at myself that I keep coming back every 2 months when another chapter comes out. Take my misery as a cautionary tale and run for your life.
Okay, I understand, I see that you know the source material, so I have one more question. It's about Ayaka. I heard that some girl tells the MC that Ayaka has some kind of dark secret from school or a club. Do you maybe know what it is?
 
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Okay, I understand, I see that you know the source material, so I have one more question. It's about Ayaka. I heard that some girl tells the MC that Ayaka has some kind of dark secret from school or a club. Do you maybe know what it is?
Ayaka having a dark secret...I'm not sure I know what that would be referring to, specifically.

My best guess would be that Ayaka, as the MC's best friend from high school, secretly has feelings for the MC, but will never act upon them because doing so could cost her their friendship. And she values his friendship far too much to risk ruining things between them.

If I'm remembering correctly, Ayaka had a bad reputation in high school, because she was super attractive, had good grades, but turned down guys's confessions all the time, and had a "bad attitude" (she was standoffish and curt, never diminutive or submissive). MC ended up befriending her, and they became one another's "ride or die" - even back then, people thought they were actually dating, which caused them drama throughout high school, but they stuck with one another and became super close friends ever since.

That's all I can think of when it comes to a potential "dark secret" involving Ayaka specifically.

The only other potential answer would involve something that hasn't been explicitly explained as of yet - and that would be whatever history Ayaka & Mayu (the MC's Kouhai who's referenced in the series title) have, as they seem to have bad blood between them from past events, but that's not yet been addressed or explained.


*** Also a few others gave proper responses, and I feel bad that I just said "nah don't bother" because that's not fair to you, so I am sorry for that.

My best TL;DR would be:
Yuuta (MC) had been dating Reina for just under a year prior to the events of the manga. They broke up when Yuuta caught Reina cheating on him (emotionally speaking, not like in bed with a dude in a hotel), which happened on the day before their one-year anniversary, after a rocky 1-2 months of their relationship due to miscommunication and unresolved anxiety on Reina's part.

Yuuta was depressed for a month after this, then by chance meets Mayu (FMC, referenced in manga title as "devilish junior"), his kouhai of his university. They connect a bit over their shared past of being cheated on, and she worms her way into his life, to the point of getting a key to his apartment and cooking for him/cleaning for him/even staying the night every week.

Through all of this, Yuuta has a close friend from high school named Ayaka. She's super attractive, but prickly, and only really got along with Yuuta up until she decided to make a change in university. She seems to have feelings for Yuuta, but has yet committed to never voicing them or acting on them, as it appears she doesn't want to ruin their friendship which she values most of all.

Yuuta's been living his life over the ~2 months of the manga's timeline thus far, when Reina reappears, trying to talk to him again. He wants nothing to do with her - can't overcome his feelings of betrayal, and would rather just run away than ever face her again. Reina's friend, Natsuki, shows up as well, trying to get close to Yuuta to pass information to Reina about Yuuta's habits/schedule so that Reina can corner him and force Yuuta to listen to her, seemingly to explain herself and why she cheated on him.

That's more or less the bigger story beats that don't spoil actual plot points; there's definitely more going on than just that, as well as a couple other characters of minimal importance (thus far).
 
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That’s ridiculous. You’re expecting Yuuta, who’s been dating Reina for less than a year, to magically predict her actions or see through her words, instead of just having a direct conversation about what she’s okay with and what she’s not. Come on, that’s not fair.

Less than a month into the relationship, Reina finds out Yuuta has a female best friend. She asks if it’s a childhood friend, and he says no, she’s from high school. Then he follows up and asks, “Sorry, isn’t it probably better if I don’t text female friends as much?” Reina responds, “No, no, it’s fine. I was just a little curious,” and even tells him, “You should value your friends from high school as well.” Yuuta replies, “Oh, is that so? But I’ll refrain from it as much as I can. Right now, we’re watching a video together, right?”

In this moment, Yuuta is literally trying to show her respect. And yet, she gives him the green light to continue texting Ayaka. Again, this relationship is less than a month old, and he’s already checking in to see what she’s comfortable with. He wants her to feel secure around him, regardless of who he’s texting, because he genuinely doesn’t want to make her feel bad or like he’s doing something behind her back. That’s called respect.

But you’re expecting him to predict that she’s betraying her own words in a relationship that’s still brand new? That makes no sense.

Instead of being honest and saying, “Hey, maybe I am a little uncomfortable with how close you and Ayaka are,” Reina turns to her best friend, Natsuki. At the time, Natsuki doesn’t even know Yuuta, and the only advice she gives is, “In the eyes of society, two people of the opposite sex hanging out together is what you would call a date.” So not only is she offering judgment without context, but she also tells Reina, “You have to figure this out on your own.”

In other words, Natsuki does nothing to help Reina actually communicate or consider that Yuuta and Ayaka’s friendship might be innocent. All she does is fuel Reina’s jealousy and deepen her insecurity, convincing her that she’s somehow inferior to Ayaka—for no reason at all.

Then Reina sees a picture of Ayaka and realizes how pretty she is. But Yuuta’s reaction should be a dead giveaway that he’s not interested in her. Reina comments, “She seems like someone you can rely on.” And Yuuta responds, “If you two ever met, I’m sure you’d get along. If that happened, that would be the best.”

Even here, Yuuta is reassuring her. This is the second time he’s gone out of his way to make it clear that there’s nothing romantic going on between him and Ayaka. In fact, by his own words, he wants the two of them to meet. That’s not shady behavior—that’s openness.

And yet, at no point does Reina sit down and tell Yuuta that she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka. By the time we’re approaching their one-year anniversary in November, Reina sees that Yuuta has a lot going on. She starts feeling even more jealous, and instead of talking to him about it, she lets those feelings fester. The whole time, she’s longing to be someone Yuuta can rely on. She wants to be there for him—but she doesn’t follow through. She never takes her own advice.

Once again, when she’s struggling, she turns to Natsuki, not him. Around this time, she’s also preparing for a beauty pageant but ends up backing out. Why? Because she wanted to consult Yuuta about it but didn’t. That’s on her. She has these moments where she thinks about talking to him but never does. She never reaches out, never seeks his advice, never tells him something is wrong.

And yet you’re expecting him to predict that something’s wrong in a relationship that hasn’t even hit one year?

It’s not until their final date that she finally breaks down. She finds out Ayaka helped Yuuta solve a club-related issue, and that’s when she starts freaking out. But let’s be honest: there was no warning. Nothing leading up to this moment indicated she had a problem. If she had just told him from the beginning that she felt uneasy, this all could have been avoided.

But no—somehow, you're suggesting that Yuuta should have known that Reina's actions were betraying her words. What actions? During this entire year, she never showed any signs of jealousy, confusion, or sadness to him. Every time she had a problem, she turned to Natsuki—not him.

She never opened up when it mattered most. She had plenty of chances to say, “Hey, I want to be there for you too. I want to understand you.” But she didn’t. She held it all in. And now you’re saying Yuuta should’ve somehow predicted that? In a short-term relationship?

I’m sorry, but that’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. No one, not even someone deeply in love, can predict what their partner refuses to say.
The tim they were going out matters less than then number of times they saw each other. If it was infrequent I can agree with your argument but if they saw each other regularly then I would disagree. In any case, relying on someone other then your significant other to solve a big problem can be reasonably interpreted as a betrayal.

I believe Natsuki wasn't a friend of Reina, only someone she knew before and who she met by coincidence. It seems she relied more on Natsuki and the junior was just someone who she crossed paths with. In my view that's the bigger mistake Reina made, trusting someone so obviously selfish as her junior.

If that's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever heard then you have not heard very much in life (perhaps for the better. No good comes from listening to politicians...)
 
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I believe Natsuki wasn't a friend of Reina, only someone she knew before and who she met by coincidence. It seems she relied more on Natsuki and the junior was just someone who she crossed paths with. In my view that's the bigger mistake Reina made, trusting someone so obviously selfish as her junior.
What are you talking about? She clearly said that Natsuki and her have been friends since middle school,, and they've always hung out in the same group of friends. In fact, she describes her friendship to Natsuki as being the same as Ayaka's and MC's friendship.

Glasses boy did nothing wrong, he was trying to chase after a girl he liked. He didn't force himself on her, and his opinions were made based on what Natsuki had told him. Of course he would badmouth MC and call him a cheater if it would lead to him getting the girl he likes. She wasn't "trusting" of him either, she rejected his advances, and THEN she thought about a what if scenario where she got close to a member of the opposite sex that wasn't her boyfriend, thus he, being the nearest male at the time, became a tool for her...a tool she quickly discarded. Man, Reina really is something else, huh?
 
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Nah, all of these comments are just simply crazy. Do we even read the same chapter??? Just switch up the fck*n role, imagine ur GF is the one who has a male best friend that just straight far superior than you instead. And furthermore, he chose to ask her for a help when he was in trouble instead of even mentioning anything to you, and you just found out by accident after it happened. Communication?? Straight asking him if he is cheating?? Asking him to just straight cut-off his best friend?? Most of these actions would not exactly do you any goods. Miscommunication happens all the time, there are a lot of things that can't be easily communicate with and are much better not to, no matter what kind of relationship you have. Can't even really blame her all that much, all she did was trying to test if she will feel guilty or not on a whim if she is the one having an opposite gender best friend instead. Honestly, this mange deserves harem route ending judging by how the story is being told this far.
You are an idiot.
 
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What are you talking about? She clearly said that Natsuki and her have been friends since middle school,, and they've always hung out in the same group of friends. In fact, she describes her friendship to Natsuki as being the same as Ayaka's and MC's friendship.

Glasses boy did nothing wrong, he was trying to chase after a girl he liked. He didn't force himself on her, and his opinions were made based on what Natsuki had told him. Of course he would badmouth MC and call him a cheater if it would lead to him getting the girl he likes. She wasn't "trusting" of him either, she rejected his advances, and THEN she thought about a what if scenario where she got close to a member of the opposite sex that wasn't her boyfriend, thus he, being the nearest male at the time, became a tool for her...a tool she quickly discarded. Man, Reina really is something else, huh?
"Of course he would badmouth MC and call him a cheater if it would lead to him getting the girl he likes."


That's called being a fucking snake, ya dumbass.
 
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broke: talking to your boyfriend at literally any point about your concerns
WOKE: INTENTIONALLY DOING SOMETHING YOU VIEW AS CHEATING AFTER GHOSTING YOUR BOYFRIEND FOR WEEKS

Yuuta wasn't perfect but Reina really set herself up for failure. Absolute bozo behavior. Also it's super creepy how people view just hanging out with a friend as cheating. Wanting greater emotional investment than a friend would get, that's fine. But these dumbasses are crazy for calling Yuuta getting a burger with Ayaka cheating.
 
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