Shachou to Sake to Hoshi - Ch. 10 - Boss and the Advice

[Imatoumi]

Tl quality difference is pretty damn noticeable indeed, great job

 

[KurABOBA]

(pretty big yap session attempting to defuse the situation here, also strike farming because i’m pretty sure i’m wrong on many fronts)

TLDR: both groups are good imo and have their own merits. I’m sightly biased towards Mylene (coz ive been with them for longer) but Senko is objectively more justified in this situation. Still, both are just arguing pointlessly out of pettiness, so they should just compromise and apologise and move on. Senko continues translating this and Mylene stops sniping. Problem solved (i’ll also be siding a bit more than Mylene than most other ppl coz they’re the ones being bashed here and i feel bad for them, but ultimately neither are in the right here)

I am 1000% sure that absolutely no one would read all of this because absolutely no one asked for my opinion. I’m kinda just ranting because i have a lot of things to say about this situation as a neutral party, but i just think we should all reconcile and end the drama, because ultimately it’s only the readers who end up winning.

As far as i see (and remember, because Senko took down their page bashing Mylene), this whole situation was instigated by Senko, to which Mylene is desperately responding in order to save their brand (while they probably wont admit it, again i could be wrong). At this point it’s just both groups being petty with each other, and the war will definitely continue in this manga specifically until one of them decides to wave their white flag and stop translating. It’s really pathetic and unnecessary for both sides, so at this point it’s definitely better to just apologise to each other and move on.

Idk all the details because i cant be bothered to go further and dig too deep into their discord, but as far as i see Senko accusing Mylene was pretty out of left field. While most of these accusations are true to some extent based on Mylene’s response in chapter 9, Senko isnt completely in the right here because unless Mylene’s way of scanlating is actively harming someone, there shouldn’t be a reason for this to escalate beyond the realm of their DMs. I also don’t see any reason for them to bash another TL team just because their low-quality scanlations doesnt warrant them requesting for donations. For the record, and IMHO, ive been with both TL groups for only a few months (Mylene earlier than Senko) and both have their own merits. Mylene’s may be MTL to some extent, but it’s readable to a much better extent when compared to every other non-dedicated group. Senko’s is superior in a few ways, but that doesnt mean Mylene’s is particularly bad. I’m trying to take both sides here because Mylene’s response is only natural sinec Senko taunted first, but i also have to say its still radical and petty.

Moving on to Mylene’s rants. Honestly, given the effort(?) he put into them, i decided to read all of it, and it was something i could reason with and understand, but i cant exactly side with them in this situation. What he wrote felt pretty narcissistic which definitely hurt his chances. Him firing back against Senko and spewing insults at him was not unreasonable, but theres only so much pettiness one can have until they lose most of the public’s support. I’m trying to side with Mylene to some extent here, while trying to also stay relatively neutral, but it’s genuinely hard to.

Also with regards to the comments on the previous chapters (and this one’s too), i think it’s safe to say that most of them are against Mylene. And i can see why. They could be doing literally anything other than being petty and sniping Senko until they decide to surrender. But remember that Senko appears to have instigated all this. None of this would have happened if Senko kept the argument to DMs or just discord instead of bringing the beef to this manga. I also want to say that commenting on this drama while it basically harms everyone should be stopped (unless you wanna see more drama, in which case feel free to rampage i guess). It’s better to ask them to reconcile instead of taking sides and bashing Mylene when they don’t even do bad enough scanlations to warrant this much slander (will admit that it is worse than Senko’s though, objectively)

At the end of the day, both teams are just petty, and this drama is unnecessary. It’s not too late for BOTH parties to just apologise and move on, since it’s entirely unfounded for two very good scanlating groups to continue fighting each other in this manga instead of doung literally anything else better in life.

Anyways, that’s all for the rant. If you read through all of it, you didnt, because you probably skipped to the end or something or just read the TLDR and didnt give another shit. If you genuinely did though, you probably have better things to do in life, but thank you anyway.

 

[Kaoden]

While I do enjoy this manga, the shade that's been happening behind the scenes has been the most interesting aspect of it. At first it seemed like standard scanlator drama, but the jump-in at chapter 9 from... Fap It Scans (thanks for making a serious post a little less so lol) with a noticeably higher quality in not only translation but flow, along with criticism at both sides really shook it up. And on that point...

Senko-san's Abode Note:
So... No exposé?
Not really, I did make a doc, with some screenshot from their server, from groups that they sniped from, and their mistranslations. But around some time last week, I watched a movie called "Blind Fury" (it's not that bad of a movie), and the main character dropped this line.
"Unreasonable men make life so difficult."
Then it kinda hit me. So many people from the scans community, from so many different groups and servers told me to not stoop so low to their level, and they're right. I'm unreasonable because I kept trying to snipe them, making my usual quality dropped. And them being unreasonable by having to prove they are native (where they also admitted to use MTL, before editing it out), having to copy what we did lol and literally having no quality check whatsoever.
Why am I lowering myself to them? They are scamming people out of donations that could be given to the authors, and in return, they given the minimum effort in scanlation. Not anymore, I say, with help from both Fap It Scans and Les Poroïniens, my ego be damned, all in on quality. They can release as fast they want, calling it "translation", but I know, in some part of the readers, they will prefer our quality, over their quantity. Call me petty, call me pathetic, but quality will never lie, and it seems to me, Mylene doesn't have any.
(P.S. Also, we are gonna remaster all of my (Senko-san's Version) chapters, with better quality too!)

Mad respect for taking the criticism and growing from it. It's easy to brush off points from someone you're at odds with, but to actually listen to a third party when in the middle of it is not. I saw Mylene's version and read it (with difficulty) and then later saw the 3-way mic-drop collaboration and was excited to see the difference. It's night and day, obviously, and the lack of a final "fuck you" page was honestly a nice surprise. It would have landed hard-- probably been cathartic-- but the restraint is commendable.

Looking forward to going through the remaster of the earlier chapters.

 

[meccaflare]

As far as i see (and remember, because Senko took down their page bashing Mylene), this whole situation was instigated by Senko, to which Mylene is desperately responding in order to save their brand (while they probably wont admit it, again i could be wrong).

This all kicked off when Senko got sniped. Sure, their reaction wasn’t exactly graceful, but at the end of the day, Mylene lost the court of public opinion. There’s just a clear mismatch between their quality and the size of their ego.

Mad respect for taking the criticism and growing from it. It's easy to brush off points from someone you're at odds with, but to actually listen to a third party when in the middle of it is not. I saw Mylene's version and read it (with difficulty) and then later saw the 3-way mic-drop collaboration and was excited to see the difference. It's night and day, obviously, and the lack of a final "fuck you" page was honestly a nice surprise. It would have landed hard-- probably been cathartic-- but the restraint is commendable.

Looking forward to going through the remaster of the earlier chapters.

You're spot on. Minato put his ego aside, got humbled, and actually grew from the experience. He happened to know me (Fap It Scans) through a mutual of a mutual, reached out, and we turned what started as lame beef into a solid collab.


And yeah, the lack of a "fuck you" page? 100% intentional. It wasn’t needed... anyone with basic reading comprehension can see the difference in quality. No need to spell it out.


Let this be a reminder: scanlation drama is lame as hell. Even the average reader here is fine waiting a bit longer if the end result is worth it.


I do feel a little bad for Mylene, though. You can tell they try, but the rush, the sloppiness, and that ego getting bruised... it’s a rough combo.

 

[Squall_Leonhart]

(pretty big yap session attempting to defuse the situation here, also strike farming because i’m pretty sure i’m wrong on many fronts)

TLDR: both groups are good imo and have their own merits. I’m sightly biased towards Mylene (coz ive been with them for longer) but Senko is objectively more justified in this situation. Still, both are just arguing pointlessly out of pettiness, so they should just compromise and apologise and move on. Senko continues translating this and Mylene stops sniping. Problem solved (i’ll also be siding a bit more than Mylene than most other ppl coz they’re the ones being bashed here and i feel bad for them, but ultimately neither are in the right here)

I am 1000% sure that absolutely no one would read all of this because absolutely no one asked for my opinion. I’m kinda just ranting because i have a lot of things to say about this situation as a neutral party, but i just think we should all reconcile and end the drama, because ultimately it’s only the readers who end up winning.

As far as i see (and remember, because Senko took down their page bashing Mylene), this whole situation was instigated by Senko, to which Mylene is desperately responding in order to save their brand (while they probably wont admit it, again i could be wrong). At this point it’s just both groups being petty with each other, and the war will definitely continue in this manga specifically until one of them decides to wave their white flag and stop translating. It’s really pathetic and unnecessary for both sides, so at this point it’s definitely better to just apologise to each other and move on.

Idk all the details because i cant be bothered to go further and dig too deep into their discord, but as far as i see Senko accusing Mylene was pretty out of left field. While most of these accusations are true to some extent based on Mylene’s response in chapter 9, Senko isnt completely in the right here because unless Mylene’s way of scanlating is actively harming someone, there shouldn’t be a reason for this to escalate beyond the realm of their DMs. I also don’t see any reason for them to bash another TL team just because their low-quality scanlations doesnt warrant them requesting for donations. For the record, and IMHO, ive been with both TL groups for only a few months (Mylene earlier than Senko) and both have their own merits. Mylene’s may be MTL to some extent, but it’s readable to a much better extent when compared to every other non-dedicated group. Senko’s is superior in a few ways, but that doesnt mean Mylene’s is particularly bad. I’m trying to take both sides here because Mylene’s response is only natural sinec Senko taunted first, but i also have to say its still radical and petty.

Moving on to Mylene’s rants. Honestly, given the effort(?) he put into them, i decided to read all of it, and it was something i could reason with and understand, but i cant exactly side with them in this situation. What he wrote felt pretty narcissistic which definitely hurt his chances. Him firing back against Senko and spewing insults at him was not unreasonable, but theres only so much pettiness one can have until they lose most of the public’s support. I’m trying to side with Mylene to some extent here, while trying to also stay relatively neutral, but it’s genuinely hard to.

Also with regards to the comments on the previous chapters (and this one’s too), i think it’s safe to say that most of them are against Mylene. And i can see why. They could be doing literally anything other than being petty and sniping Senko until they decide to surrender. But remember that Senko appears to have instigated all this. None of this would have happened if Senko kept the argument to DMs or just discord instead of bringing the beef to this manga. I also want to say that commenting on this drama while it basically harms everyone should be stopped (unless you wanna see more drama, in which case feel free to rampage i guess). It’s better to ask them to reconcile instead of taking sides and bashing Mylene when they don’t even do bad enough scanlations to warrant this much slander (will admit that it is worse than Senko’s though, objectively)

At the end of the day, both teams are just petty, and this drama is unnecessary. It’s not too late for BOTH parties to just apologise and move on, since it’s entirely unfounded for two very good scanlating groups to continue fighting each other in this manga instead of doung literally anything else better in life.

Anyways, that’s all for the rant. If you read through all of it, you didnt, because you probably skipped to the end or something or just read the TLDR and didnt give another shit. If you genuinely did though, you probably have better things to do in life, but thank you anyway.

no.

 

[CrowGoesCaw]

with help from both Fap It Scans and Les Poroïniens, my ego be damned, all in on quality. They can release as fast they want, calling it "translation", but I know, in some part of the readers, they will prefer our quality, over their quantity. Call me petty, call me pathetic, but quality will never lie, and it seems to me, Mylene doesn't have any.
(P.S. Also, we are gonna remaster all of my (Senko-san's Version) chapters, with better quality too!)

Wow, a triple collab! It's nice to see the other TL groups working together to improve the quality for the readers

 

[JKTV]

I went to reread their chapter since i reread theirs first then yours but holy guac, the quality is so much better here.
like some lines literally dont make sense or sound so stiff straight from a machine. Also unnecessary swearing doesn't make it sound more natural lol

im sticking with this collab scanlations hooray

 

[NesfrutaPH]

The triple fusion is crazy

 

[Teruyo]

Character development all around! And, if they decide to keep continuing on with their piss take, ignore them. Because, they're so steep in their own piss, they don't realize that they can't even smell how bad they are anymore.

 

[Chuito]

Senko-san's Abode Note:
So... No exposé?
Not really, I did make a doc, with some screenshot from their server, from groups that they sniped from, and their mistranslations. But around some time last week, I watched a movie called "Blind Fury" (it's not that bad of a movie), and the main character dropped this line.
"Unreasonable men make life so difficult."
Then it kinda hit me. So many people from the scans community, from so many different groups and servers told me to not stoop so low to their level, and they're right. I'm unreasonable because I kept trying to snipe them, making my usual quality dropped. And them being unreasonable by having to prove they are native (where they also admitted to use MTL, before editing it out), having to copy what we did lol and literally having no quality check whatsoever.
Why am I lowering myself to them? They are scamming people out of donations that could be given to the authors, and in return, they given the minimum effort in scanlation. Not anymore, I say, with help from both Fap It Scans and Les Poroïniens, my ego be damned, all in on quality. They can release as fast they want, calling it "translation", but I know, in some part of the readers, they will prefer our quality, over their quantity. Call me petty, call me pathetic, but quality will never lie, and it seems to me, Mylene doesn't have any.
(P.S. Also, we are gonna remaster all of my (Senko-san's Version) chapters, with better quality too!)

Nothing beats getting to look back at what you've done and ne able to be proud of how well it came out.

If they release it first ill read it cause i cant help my curiosity, but i will still read the senko san version in order to fully understand what actually happened.

Keep up the good work! Glad to see scan groups working together to improve each other

 

[Xelarion]

It's cute that a team-up was needed for all this drama.

 

[SatansBestBuddy]

I don't know how they do it but every time the boss is revealed drunk at the park I end up laughing

it's the same damn joke every time! but it's still funny

 

[MrGorbino]

I took a look at mylene to compare because I haven't actually read their tl, the phrasing they use in English is incredibly awkward to read. They write in a way nobody would speak. I didn't think it would be that different but it really is significantly worse. Senko sans translation is definitely the only one for me. Thank you for your care and effort.

 

[Warpbeast]

(pretty big yap session attempting to defuse the situation here, also strike farming because i’m pretty sure i’m wrong on many fronts)

TLDR: both groups are good imo and have their own merits. I’m sightly biased towards Mylene (coz ive been with them for longer) but Senko is objectively more justified in this situation. Still, both are just arguing pointlessly out of pettiness, so they should just compromise and apologise and move on. Senko continues translating this and Mylene stops sniping. Problem solved (i’ll also be siding a bit more than Mylene than most other ppl coz they’re the ones being bashed here and i feel bad for them, but ultimately neither are in the right here)

I am 1000% sure that absolutely no one would read all of this because absolutely no one asked for my opinion. I’m kinda just ranting because i have a lot of things to say about this situation as a neutral party, but i just think we should all reconcile and end the drama, because ultimately it’s only the readers who end up winning.

As far as i see (and remember, because Senko took down their page bashing Mylene), this whole situation was instigated by Senko, to which Mylene is desperately responding in order to save their brand (while they probably wont admit it, again i could be wrong). At this point it’s just both groups being petty with each other, and the war will definitely continue in this manga specifically until one of them decides to wave their white flag and stop translating. It’s really pathetic and unnecessary for both sides, so at this point it’s definitely better to just apologise to each other and move on.

Idk all the details because i cant be bothered to go further and dig too deep into their discord, but as far as i see Senko accusing Mylene was pretty out of left field. While most of these accusations are true to some extent based on Mylene’s response in chapter 9, Senko isnt completely in the right here because unless Mylene’s way of scanlating is actively harming someone, there shouldn’t be a reason for this to escalate beyond the realm of their DMs. I also don’t see any reason for them to bash another TL team just because their low-quality scanlations doesnt warrant them requesting for donations. For the record, and IMHO, ive been with both TL groups for only a few months (Mylene earlier than Senko) and both have their own merits. Mylene’s may be MTL to some extent, but it’s readable to a much better extent when compared to every other non-dedicated group. Senko’s is superior in a few ways, but that doesnt mean Mylene’s is particularly bad. I’m trying to take both sides here because Mylene’s response is only natural sinec Senko taunted first, but i also have to say its still radical and petty.

Moving on to Mylene’s rants. Honestly, given the effort(?) he put into them, i decided to read all of it, and it was something i could reason with and understand, but i cant exactly side with them in this situation. What he wrote felt pretty narcissistic which definitely hurt his chances. Him firing back against Senko and spewing insults at him was not unreasonable, but theres only so much pettiness one can have until they lose most of the public’s support. I’m trying to side with Mylene to some extent here, while trying to also stay relatively neutral, but it’s genuinely hard to.

Also with regards to the comments on the previous chapters (and this one’s too), i think it’s safe to say that most of them are against Mylene. And i can see why. They could be doing literally anything other than being petty and sniping Senko until they decide to surrender. But remember that Senko appears to have instigated all this. None of this would have happened if Senko kept the argument to DMs or just discord instead of bringing the beef to this manga. I also want to say that commenting on this drama while it basically harms everyone should be stopped (unless you wanna see more drama, in which case feel free to rampage i guess). It’s better to ask them to reconcile instead of taking sides and bashing Mylene when they don’t even do bad enough scanlations to warrant this much slander (will admit that it is worse than Senko’s though, objectively)

At the end of the day, both teams are just petty, and this drama is unnecessary. It’s not too late for BOTH parties to just apologise and move on, since it’s entirely unfounded for two very good scanlating groups to continue fighting each other in this manga instead of doung literally anything else better in life.

Anyways, that’s all for the rant. If you read through all of it, you didnt, because you probably skipped to the end or something or just read the TLDR and didnt give another shit. If you genuinely did though, you probably have better things to do in life, but thank you anyway.

Disagree though, Mylene started with the shitty AI translation sniping.

Mylene's quality is too bad for what it claims to be, nothing wrong with MTL just be upfront about it.

 

[kreahleiser]

I'm just imagining all the folks reading on the aggregator sites that steal from here and being real fuckin confused why half this manga is in broken English or why the last few pages of some chapters look like some sort of schizo war.

Glad to see three groups working together to make a point tho haha

 

[Kaito57]

She’s about to use the Pouting Tsundere move ! That’s a bold strategy, let’s see if it pays off…

 

[HenkumaEnthusiast]

Senko-san's Abode Note:
So... No exposé?
Not really, I did make a doc, with some screenshot from their server, from groups that they sniped from, and their mistranslations. But around some time last week, I watched a movie called "Blind Fury" (it's not that bad of a movie), and the main character dropped this line.
"Unreasonable men make life so difficult."
Then it kinda hit me. So many people from the scans community, from so many different groups and servers told me to not stoop so low to their level, and they're right. I'm unreasonable because I kept trying to snipe them, making my usual quality dropped. And them being unreasonable by having to prove they are native (where they also admitted to use MTL, before editing it out), having to copy what we did lol and literally having no quality check whatsoever.
Why am I lowering myself to them? They are scamming people out of donations that could be given to the authors, and in return, they given the minimum effort in scanlation. Not anymore, I say, with help from both Fap It Scans and Les Poroïniens, my ego be damned, all in on quality. They can release as fast they want, calling it "translation", but I know, in some part of the readers, they will prefer our quality, over their quantity. Call me petty, call me pathetic, but quality will never lie, and it seems to me, Mylene doesn't have any.
(P.S. Also, we are gonna remaster all of my (Senko-san's Version) chapters, with better quality too!)

The greatest ending of this whole situation (brought tears to my eyes).

 

[Kaiofficialone]

Given MD's situation with the DMCA and shit, this whole situation with you two groups is lame.

 

[Kaizerdist]

Ahh kurokawa, setting izumi up for a battle by giving the old fashioned rom com advice with 0 EXP. It's a classic.

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Good to see there's some character development after all that squabbling. Being better than the person you were yesterday n all that jazz. I wasn't ready for the mega powers to combine for this chapter either. This arc was pretty sick.

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Thanks for the chapter.

 

[AGeneric_Gamer]

Damn ... Kurokawa is ... kinda hot isn't she. Dammit. She should stop ticking all of those boxes that I like.

I like her design, she looks cool... but I hate the fact that the author just overshadows their personality and character with big ass tits.. like it feels like they can write decent characters but is afraid people won't be hooked so they draw big ass boobs.