Seishun Bakusou!

[Loliconi]

I dont think thats what the author is going for with the series. The mc has already shown a willingness to save others regardless of personal gain. I dont think its gonna end up as you put it "used goods" situation. I think the mc is just trying to be the hero that he idolised his brother as being before he got exposed and arrested for being a nonce. It seems that after his brother got caught he also wants to leave his picture taking behind.

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The scans ive seen for the bondage drug scene are a bit hard to intepret, im not sure if she actually had sex with those men or if it was just a Dom sub thing with toys and mdma. I still think you might wanna stick around a bit longer to see if the author knows what hes doing or if it will just turn into a cuck mc accepting whatever the fmc does cause hes a loser.

The scene is hard to interpret? I think the only thing to even interpret is her talk with the pedo

Spoiler

The chapter starts off by describing MDMA as a sex-drug and what taking it entails. One of the early panels shows bondage tools and sex toys (dildos, lube, condoms etc.). The pedo homeroom teacher also is nude. It is 100% confirmed that she had sex with these 3 men. Just as it was confirmed before that she was involved in prostitution for a while.

Takuto is scum but he was right, Tabe brings ruin and death (literal and figurative) to everyone around her (by choice from what it looks like).

I get that you want to give the author the chance to explain everything but what we got on paper is a scene of MC saying "I will always be on your side no matter what!" into Tabe's next appearance being... this. And this was rather hardcore and random.
Heck, I can't even bash anyone calling this NTR and myself consider it poorly placed after all these chapters.
Why now? They had 800 mil. Their relationship progressed. I legit can't think of a backstory that could excuse this apart from her just being a slut that loves sex with countless men and that she never actually felt anything for MC at all.
It feels like the author is now just slowly going down the list and checking off all the "plots" they started or wanted to absolutely include.

 

[MasayoshiTakanakaFan]

The scene is hard to interpret? I think the only thing to even interpret is her talk with the pedo

Spoiler

The chapter starts off by describing MDMA as a sex-drug and what taking it entails. One of the early panels shows bondage tools and sex toys (dildos, lube, condoms etc.). The pedo homeroom teacher also is nude. It is 100% confirmed that she had sex with these 3 men. Just as it was confirmed before that she was involved in prostitution for a while.

Takuto is scum but he was right, Tabe brings ruin and death (literal and figurative) to everyone around her (by choice from what it looks like).

I get that you want to give the author the chance to explain everything but what we got on paper is a scene of MC saying "I will always be on your side no matter what!" into Tabe's next appearance being... this. And this was rather hardcore and random.
Heck, I can't even bash anyone calling this NTR and myself consider it poorly placed after all these chapters.
Why now? They had 800 mil. Their relationship progressed. I legit can't think of a backstory that could excuse this apart from her just being a slut that loves sex with countless men and that she never actually felt anything for MC at all.
It feels like the author is now just slowly going down the list and checking off all the "plots" they started or wanted to absolutely include.

I feel like ive read stories which start off with promising concepts then do just go down the path of degenaracy with no real commentary on said matters. I wanna give the author the benefit of the doubt here because of harus brother literally going to jail for the possession of cp and alleged child prostitution. I cant think of other stories where characters are actually punished for these crimes. I do agree with what your saying about takutos take on tabe but where do u think the story goes from here in that case? And i just want to ask where did u see that it was confirmed that Tabe had sex with them? Im just in a server that does amateur translations and theres nothing that 100 percent confirms it, its common for people using sex toys in groups to use condoms for health and safety reasons it makes sense considering that its a group setting.

 

[MasayoshiTakanakaFan]

The scene is hard to interpret? I think the only thing to even interpret is her talk with the pedo

Spoiler

The chapter starts off by describing MDMA as a sex-drug and what taking it entails. One of the early panels shows bondage tools and sex toys (dildos, lube, condoms etc.). The pedo homeroom teacher also is nude. It is 100% confirmed that she had sex with these 3 men. Just as it was confirmed before that she was involved in prostitution for a while.

Takuto is scum but he was right, Tabe brings ruin and death (literal and figurative) to everyone around her (by choice from what it looks like).

I get that you want to give the author the chance to explain everything but what we got on paper is a scene of MC saying "I will always be on your side no matter what!" into Tabe's next appearance being... this. And this was rather hardcore and random.
Heck, I can't even bash anyone calling this NTR and myself consider it poorly placed after all these chapters.
Why now? They had 800 mil. Their relationship progressed. I legit can't think of a backstory that could excuse this apart from her just being a slut that loves sex with countless men and that she never actually felt anything for MC at all.
It feels like the author is now just slowly going down the list and checking off all the "plots" they started or wanted to absolutely include.

just another note aswell but from the translations i read tabe does feel "something" about haru it seems that she was contemplating the idea of reporting all of the men to the police but the teacher replied with something that kinda alludes to the fact he has some sort of blackmail on her.

 

[Loliconi]

just another note aswell but from the translations i read tabe does feel "something" about haru it seems that she was contemplating the idea of reporting all of the men to the police but the teacher replied with something that kinda alludes to the fact he has some sort of blackmail on her.

Yeah, think you're pretty much spot on. This is also what I hinted towards when I typed that the pedoxTabe relationship (and in extension HaruxTabe) was the only thing up to interpretation.
Other than that, it is explicitly stated early on that she sells herself. Nude pedo teacher groping her breasts while licking her etc., the sex toys (look, they are giving MDMA to a minor in the middle of the night in buttfuck nowhere out in the woods.. health and safety btw) and erotic close ups.
Kinda feels redundant typing this out, it seems that obvious to me.

This whole scene and Tabe as a chara lost all their impact simply due to the poor placement + implementation and trying to hint towards this big evil that supposedly has so much power over her.. when she had 800 mil and her new crew. I know, her character has nuance and all that stuff but it just feels so comically forced.

I feel like ive read stories which start off with promising concepts then do just go down the path of degenaracy with no real commentary on said matters. I wanna give the author the benefit of the doubt here because of harus brother literally going to jail for the possession of cp and alleged child prostitution. I cant think of other stories where characters are actually punished for these crimes.

His brother being caught for cp kind of felt like the first and last bit of substance/reflection/commentary. I only read one other work by Ken Sogen and it went the exact same way- the overall setting + one big event to showcase a grand message picking up on grand societal problems into full sex + fetish.
This is a serialized longer running series so it kinda doesn't work and ends up feeling worse overall, being stretched and edited.

tldr: read manga brain off, no attached to characters, wait for plot and boom and no try read into anything = fun

 

[OmnipotentCheese]

Looks pretty interesting. Not my cup of tea, but there's some drama in this. Gorgeous art. 8/10

 

[MasayoshiTakanakaFan]

Yeah, think you're pretty much spot on. This is also what I hinted towards when I typed that the pedoxTabe relationship (and in extension HaruxTabe) was the only thing up to interpretation.
Other than that, it is explicitly stated early on that she sells herself. Nude pedo teacher groping her breasts while licking her etc., the sex toys (look, they are giving MDMA to a minor in the middle of the night in buttfuck nowhere out in the woods.. health and safety btw) and erotic close ups.
Kinda feels redundant typing this out, it seems that obvious to me.

This whole scene and Tabe as a chara lost all their impact simply due to the poor placement + implementation and trying to hint towards this big evil that supposedly has so much power over her.. when she had 800 mil and her new crew. I know, her character has nuance and all that stuff but it just feels so comically forced.


His brother being caught for cp kind of felt like the first and last bit of substance/reflection/commentary. I only read one other work by Ken Sogen and it went the exact same way- the overall setting + one big event to showcase a grand message picking up on grand societal problems into full sex + fetish.
This is a serialized longer running series so it kinda doesn't work and ends up feeling worse overall, being stretched and edited.

tldr: read manga brain off, no attached to characters, wait for plot and boom and no try read into anything = fun

Yeah fair enough, i think ill hold onto the small hope that ken sogen can bring it together, im just waiting to get official translations on the party arc with the av actress, i feel like theres a lot of stuff going on with that which doesnt come across well through machine translations.
You got any reccomendations for mangas similiar to this ?

 

[na2suara]

Yeah, think you're pretty much spot on. This is also what I hinted towards when I typed that the pedoxTabe relationship (and in extension HaruxTabe) was the only thing up to interpretation.
Other than that, it is explicitly stated early on that she sells herself. Nude pedo teacher groping her breasts while licking her etc., the sex toys (look, they are giving MDMA to a minor in the middle of the night in buttfuck nowhere out in the woods.. health and safety btw) and erotic close ups.
Kinda feels redundant typing this out, it seems that obvious to me.

This whole scene and Tabe as a chara lost all their impact simply due to the poor placement + implementation and trying to hint towards this big evil that supposedly has so much power over her.. when she had 800 mil and her new crew. I know, her character has nuance and all that stuff but it just feels so comically forced.


His brother being caught for cp kind of felt like the first and last bit of substance/reflection/commentary. I only read one other work by Ken Sogen and it went the exact same way- the overall setting + one big event to showcase a grand message picking up on grand societal problems into full sex + fetish.
This is a serialized longer running series so it kinda doesn't work and ends up feeling worse overall, being stretched and edited.

tldr: read manga brain off, no attached to characters, wait for plot and boom and no try read into anything = fun

Spoiler

I've been keeping up with it on and off, and I have to add that you'd have to be insane to not think she's having sex with the teacher. I've seen some of the streams from ken sogen and saw his interviews and the guy is just cooked. I'm of the mindset that I believe these plot points could be interesting, but the execution is terrible.

I saw the authors stream and saw that in the latest chapter MC catches the teacher hugging up on Tabe and lashes out.

Regardless of this whole thing pans out, it doesn't seem like it's going to be that rewarding in the end. The problem with authors like Ken Sogen is they care more about themes than characters, which ends up with the characters being pretty shit. Also, he writes like a fetishist with no real world experience or emotional intelligence. The plotlines he writes seem to just be hardcore for no reason. From Kasumi being a sugar baby to pedos, to the weird AV lady, and now this BDSM nonsense. It just seems like he's doing this to shock readers into staying tuned(which is working). Maybe it's the placement of this arc, but it just doesn't seem to sell me on the idea that Tabe is even worth caring about. I get if he placed this in the beginning of the manga it would turn people away, but it would at least serve to give contrast to her dynamic with MC, but now it comes off kind of odd. I'm not trying to say what the author should do(I kind of am), but showing what he has now, doesn't even recontextualize anything. It just makes me scratch my head. I get we will see more about her and maybe learn more, but I ain't holding my breath.

I read his other works and they kind of all fall flat as well. He has good ideas but they all seem to fall flat. Better than Sex was a eromanga that had no business having a plot. Idk if it's his editor or the guy has a brain worm, but he really needs to just take a different approach with these stories. I saw an interview where he said he had to fight his editor to get the scene where MC and Tabe held hands in. If that gives you any hints as to what kind of editor he has.
I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't this.

 

[na2suara]

The scene is hard to interpret? I think the only thing to even interpret is her talk with the pedo

Spoiler

The chapter starts off by describing MDMA as a sex-drug and what taking it entails. One of the early panels shows bondage tools and sex toys (dildos, lube, condoms etc.). The pedo homeroom teacher also is nude. It is 100% confirmed that she had sex with these 3 men. Just as it was confirmed before that she was involved in prostitution for a while.

Takuto is scum but he was right, Tabe brings ruin and death (literal and figurative) to everyone around her (by choice from what it looks like).

I get that you want to give the author the chance to explain everything but what we got on paper is a scene of MC saying "I will always be on your side no matter what!" into Tabe's next appearance being... this. And this was rather hardcore and random.
Heck, I can't even bash anyone calling this NTR and myself consider it poorly placed after all these chapters.
Why now? They had 800 mil. Their relationship progressed. I legit can't think of a backstory that could excuse this apart from her just being a slut that loves sex with countless men and that she never actually felt anything for MC at all.
It feels like the author is now just slowly going down the list and checking off all the "plots" they started or wanted to absolutely include.

Spoiler: Chapter 29+ spoilers

Where was it confirmed that she was a prostitute? I don't remember and I can't go back to previous chapters on the site without paying or waiting for the new volume raws.

I just read the latest and it seems to be going in a bit of a different direction than I thought. I do think it's still going to be a bit "I will be by your side" but it seems like Maruo is affecting Tabe(to what degree I have no clue. Both the teacher and Tabe both seem to have an interest in Maruo. Although Tabe doesn't say it outright, the teacher notices Tabe requiring more drugs and acting differently. He brings up Maruo and she seems to make a sour face before taunting him so that he'll beat her so she can get off.
My guess is that her time with Maruo has changed her somewhat. I am not saying she isn't cooked, but I think Maruo being nice to her has challenged her worldview. From the limited things we've seen about Tabe, she seems to want to expose people's true colors which are usually not too pretty. For example, when Kasumi showed concern for her in the past, she bit her which led Kasumi to start bullying her. But we see Tabe never has an issue with this because she Kasumi is "showing her true self". We also see how she attempts to do the same thing to Maruo when he shows concern over her black eye and chokes him out. Unlike Kasumi, Maruo doesn't start hating her and instead goes back to hanging out with her, treating her no differently. That's why Tabe starts going out of her way to sabotage Maruos plan to become popular by framing Kasumi for stealing, destroying the party he tried to throw, and now getting him suspended(these were from the stream so it's like 99% confirmed) by setting it up so that he fights the teacher after catching her making out with him. What I'm predicting we'll see is that Maruos spirit won't get broken by this and he'll keep reaching out to her which I assume will spark a change in her. I don't know what exactly that change will be, but I think we already already getting hints that's happening.

As for her backstory, we've seen her family who seem to be a bit cooked and that she lives in a separate house from the rest of them. We also saw that she has a gun, which still hasn't been expanded on(I thought she would've been some sort of hitman in the beginning). My hard read(stay with me now) is that she corrupted the teacher and not the other way around. I am not saying he isn't a shit person, but my guess as to what his backstory is, is that he probably met Tabe at one of these back-alley sex romps, tried talking to/helping her and Tabe being Tabe got him to have sex with her that became more and more extreme. That fits way more in line with her character than being blackmailed. The panel where the teacher tells her "you know what that means" when she threatens to call the police, came off to me as more of a reminder to Tabe that if she tells the police she won't have access to MDMA or the only activity that makes her feel anything. I think this is doubly confirmed by the fact that in the latest published chapter she couldn't get off without MDMA as we see her upping her dose and having to get absolutely beaten the shit out of to even climax. My other reason for believing that she corrupted the teacher is that when he brings up Maruo to her and she visibly grimaces he warns her to stay away from him and that people like her shouldn't get involved with people like him(something to that effect). We also see in previous chapters that the teacher does look out for his students, like when he settles the issue between Kasumi and Maruo. Granted that could've just been him doing his duties as a teacher, but I don't think he comes off as a truly evil person. I would go so far as to say that he could be the one getting blackmailed. Tabe even tells him that he's scared of her.

I realize now how much I typed. I just thought this new development was interesting and would like to hear your guys' thoughts.

 

[Luminiera]

Spoiler: Ch 30 spoilers

Looks like FMC pissed herself in the classroom due to taking too much MDMA with the teacher the prior day. MC helps and brings her to the nurse office, afterwards he realized he had a bit of her pee on his hand, he almost licked his hand afterwards but slaps himself and washes it off in the bathroom lol.(Character growth!). He goes back to the classroom, idk what the classmates are talking about. The homeroom teacher is with FMC now, looks like she's horny and wants to fuck. The teacher is about to lick her eye??(the exact one she told mc to lick before lol) and chapter ends as MC walks in on them with what looks like a bag of snacks. From the sneak peeks the author showed in his streams next chapter should be a fight with him and the teacher lol.

This story is very fun , if anyone knows any manga similar to this especially with the same dynamics as the mc and fmc please share

 

[Baylordkin]

anyway I can share 2 Raw sites with the scan team ? Both raw are high quality but 1 site is upto date and has watermarks Both sites are missing chapter 25. I have chapter 25 raws

 

[ysil69]

So, both fmcs are whores and the MC is your typical beta cuck. Pass.

 

[Loliconi]

So, both fmcs are whores and the MC is your typical beta cuck. Pass.

Yep, seems like that's it. Kinda forgot about this one and just now came back to it.

I really hoped for SOME substance or nuance regarding Tabe and her relationship with the pedo teacher and stuff (dude deserves torture). But ch30 and the ones showing them both leading into ch30 pretty much went "yeah, she never had any feelings towards MC (completely apathetic), seems to be more in love/positive when with the pedo criminal than MC and just is a slut that wants drugs and sex one-dimensional trash" which is completely out of character but whatever.
Wasted opportunity and ruining a character is nothing unheard of.

Pretty lame ngl. The author loves sharing, ntr, cheating, sexual violence and all that stuff so this isn't surprising but just pumping those to be edgy with no storytelling is dogshit cringe.

 

[Luminiera]

Yep, seems like that's it. Kinda forgot about this one and just now came back to it.

I really hoped for SOME substance or nuance regarding Tabe and her relationship with the pedo teacher and stuff (dude deserves torture). But ch30 and the ones showing them both leading into ch30 pretty much went "yeah, she never had any feelings towards MC (completely apathetic), seems to be more in love/positive when with the pedo criminal than MC and just is a slut that wants drugs and sex one-dimensional trash" which is completely out of character but whatever.
Wasted opportunity and ruining a character is nothing unheard of.

Pretty lame ngl. The author loves sharing, ntr, cheating, sexual violence and all that stuff so this isn't surprising but just pumping those to be edgy with no storytelling is dogshit cringe.

I think this criticism is a bit harsh no?

The other FMC is doing compensated dating because she literally has no money and has a drunkard for a father who seems to actually have quite some money, but just hates his daughter for whatever reason and drinks all day. From what we saw, she got embarrassed when she saw MCs dick and thought that MC and Tabe were having sex. To me it looks like she does oral but hasn't had actual sex yet(this isn't even really important tbh) but she clearly has other sides to her as a character that makes her interesting, such as her dislike for Tabe and going as far as punching the shit out of her lol. I wouldn't just write her off as some boring whore.

We're likely to find out more about how the relationship formed between the teacher and tabe soon, as of ch 32

Spoiler: spoilers, I saw the chapters on the mangaka's stream

MC caught the teacher about to lick Tabe's eye, he gets fired. Afterwards Tabe got in a argument with her older sis and the sis mentioned the MC(I forgot what she said) we see Tabe reacting to that and she starts crying lol. The chapter ends with Tabe running away and dropping her phone for the sister to pick up. Surely she'll be able to get into it and find notes and conversations with the teacher or maybe some sort of personal diary?

Tabe is a complete mystery right now, which is what also makes her interesting. She says she just wants to be happy but is clearly struggling to find said happiness and is violent as fuck.

Spoiler: spoilers

Her having sex (which apparently doesn't feel good to her without getting the shit beaten out of her + heavy drug use) doesn't just make her a whore to write off either lmao

MC started off as a beta cuck I suppose but he's clearly growing as a character. He's showing a little bit of growth and is actively trying to help his crush out and become more like his older brother(minus the porn lol). Personally, I'm enjoying the story and find the main group rather interesting.

To each their own though!

 

[na2suara]

Yep, seems like that's it. Kinda forgot about this one and just now came back to it.

I really hoped for SOME substance or nuance regarding Tabe and her relationship with the pedo teacher and stuff (dude deserves torture). But ch30 and the ones showing them both leading into ch30 pretty much went "yeah, she never had any feelings towards MC (completely apathetic), seems to be more in love/positive when with the pedo criminal than MC and just is a slut that wants drugs and sex one-dimensional trash" which is completely out of character but whatever.
Wasted opportunity and ruining a character is nothing unheard of.

Pretty lame ngl. The author loves sharing, ntr, cheating, sexual violence and all that stuff so this isn't surprising but just pumping those to be edgy with no storytelling is dogshit cringe.

You're an actual incel loser. Holy moly. You don't even pretend to engage with the media. You clearly self-inserted and feel scorned because the manga isn't panning out how you want. Unironically, go take a walk or something.

 

[na2suara]

I think this criticism is a bit harsh no?

The other FMC is doing compensated dating because she literally has no money and has a drunkard for a father who seems to actually have quite some money, but just hates his daughter for whatever reason and drinks all day. From what we saw, she got embarrassed when she saw MCs dick and thought that MC and Tabe were having sex. To me it looks like she does oral but hasn't had actual sex yet(this isn't even really important tbh) but she clearly has other sides to her as a character that makes her interesting, such as her dislike for Tabe and going as far as punching the shit out of her lol. I wouldn't just write her off as some boring whore.

We're likely to find out more about how the relationship formed between the teacher and tabe soon, as of ch 32

Spoiler: spoilers, I saw the chapters on the mangaka's stream

MC caught the teacher about to lick Tabe's eye, he gets fired. Afterwards Tabe got in a argument with her older sis and the sis mentioned the MC(I forgot what she said) we see Tabe reacting to that and she starts crying lol. The chapter ends with Tabe running away and dropping her phone for the sister to pick up. Surely she'll be able to get into it and find notes and conversations with the teacher or maybe some sort of personal diary?

Tabe is a complete mystery right now, which is what also makes her interesting. She says she just wants to be happy but is clearly struggling to find said happiness and is violent as fuck.

Spoiler: spoilers

Her having sex (which apparently doesn't feel good to her without getting the shit beaten out of her + heavy drug use) doesn't just make her a whore to write off either lmao

MC started off as a beta cuck I suppose but he's clearly growing as a character. He's showing a little bit of growth and is actively trying to help his crush out and become more like his older brother(minus the porn lol). Personally, I'm enjoying the story and find the main group rather interesting.

To each their own though!

Spoiler: Ch. 31+ spoilers

From the panels I read on stream, it seems that Tabe says something to the effect of "Why do you care now?" to her sister. Which implies some form of isolation/event that occurred before she started her relationship with her teacher. We don't know what that could be, but from what we've seen she was with her family up until a year prior to the manga's events.

There were panels I saw that aren't released yet that show something happening in Tabe's past.

About Maruo. In the latest chapter (chapter 31) we see that after Maruo sees Tabe and the teacher going at it, he doesn't think about anything other than helping Tabe out. He thinks to himself, "What pain led her to be this way?", and goes to her sister to find answers. This clearly shows that our boy is growing.

I'm still cautious of how this whole thing will play out, but clearly the author has some semblance of a plan. So I think everyone just needs to wait and see.

 

[TestAddress]

pretty mid has weak potential

Lots of porn though, 50s porn.

 

[TestAddress]

This should have tragedy tag, I saw this roll out in real life and I know they are all dead. One pregnant.

Source: personal book of life

 

[na2suara]

This should have tragedy tag, I saw this roll out in real life and I know they are all dead. One pregnant.

Source: personal book of life

what are you talking about?

 

[DaBoySwag77]

Pretty lame ngl. The author loves sharing, ntr, cheating, sexual violence and all that stuff so this isn't surprising but just pumping those to be edgy with no storytelling is dogshit cringe.

Cucks gonna love it though ? About 70% of japan are cucks so it make sesne why he would write it even if it was just to pump up the sales, though I dont know of well it sells. Also if you saw some of his streams and also saw his previously retweets (when it was back then possible), he was not hiding it him liking that stuff...and lets be honest, if you saw him its obvious he is gonna be one of these people lol.

I only saw saw the comments what happend in the recent chapters, but I guess I can say I have predicted it which isnt that hard if you already know with who you dealing with. Also its obvious MC will be in a relationship with the whore at the end, but I didnt expected that the MC gets a live cuck show infront of him before he "saves" her later... but then again, cuck author writing cuck stuff aint new, especially since he is japanse.

 

[Mopopolis]

After seeing that Volume 4 cover I had to look up the raws and some google translate because "what the fuck is going on with that???" and looked over the discussions people were having here from stuff that's not been translated yet, so I have some thoughts

Spoiler: Chapter 20+ spoilers

I really dont know what is going on with Tabe, she seems to be fucked up to the point she just wants to destroy everything, picking fights with people showing concern, choking out Maruo when he shows concern for her, killing that cat, ruining the party by tipping over the food ect

I have not read chapter 25 because i cant find it on any raw site but it turning out she does BDSM, drug fuled gangbangs where they beat her was.....surprising, then seeing her alone with the teacher provoking him to beat here even though see does not seem to be actually enjoying the "sex" part, I still have no idea "what" is going on, maybe shes doing all this so she can feel "anything"

THEN setting him up to get caught in the school, it still feels like she just wants to destroy everyone and everything, the ai translations from her and the teacher seems to show her mocking him for the bento his wife made while he's having an affair so he beats her, then goes to destroy his life

Maruo on the other hand seems to actually care about the people around him, going from a sex crazed pervert to going out of his way to save Momona when she jumps of the bridge into the river, actually seems to care about Tabe to the point of going to her family home ect

I'm really interested to see what direction it goes with Tabe and Maruo, hoping for a nice outcome of actually fixing her issues